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Joe Fisto posted:I've assumed that the point of her character is to be someone who didn't lose their touch by being turned to dust, someone to show how much Fury lost in the spy game while he was gone. Right, so the person who they're setting up as a sort of Anti-Fury with their own Dark Avengers seems like a better fit.
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Opopanax posted:Right, so the person who they're setting up as a sort of Anti-Fury with their own Dark Avengers seems like a better fit. I don’t remember did she get blipped? There must be some conflict between her role in Thunderbolts and SI. That or there just wanted Coleman in the show.
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Opopanax posted:Is Coleman's character from the comics, or something? Her scenes kind of feel like the biggest "what's the point of this" scenes, and I'm not sure why they wouldn't just use Val or something to tie things in more.
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We know Val is bad but Olivia Colman could still go either way, and they seem to be leaning towards good.
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Secret Invasion set up some pretty serious stakes in its final episode and pretty much wrapped most of it up by the end. I don't know, this show was fine. It was nice to explore Fury more as a character. But I kind of feel like I could've watched the first episode and the last episode and not have missed much.
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It definitely seems like it would have been a better movie. Set up a few Skrull things in some after credit scenes for a bit and then trim this down into 2hrs.
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Secret Invasion finale sucked; if this show isn't the worst thing Marvel Studios has put out to date, it's at least one of the top contenders. Whatever Feige et al. are doing to course-correct after recent missteps can't happen soon enough. Fury's big plan turns out to be to let both a good Skrull and an evil Skrull get the powers of every known superhuman and alien in existence, and then to cross his fingers and hope the good Skrull wins in the ensuing fight. The show ends with the remaining Skrulls on Earth being significantly worse off than they were at the beginning of the series, and despite this, Fury fucks off back into space anyway so he can appear in The Marvels, where I assume none of this will get more than a line or two of acknowledgement, if that... even though Fury came back to Earth in the first place because he (quite reasonably) saw Skrulls as his mess to clean up! "Skrull infiltration revealed to the world, paranoia ensues, various factions try to take advantage of the ensuing chaos" should have been the show's status quo by the halfway mark, not an ending where we have no idea where and to what extent it'll be followed up on Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Jul 26, 2023 17:07
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At the last minute out of loving nowhere they introduced Kree-Skrull peace to give Fury a get-out-of-jail card for doing jack poo poo to help the Skrulls
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I'm half-expecting that one of the first things the Kree villain in The Marvels does will be to attack and disrupt the peace talks with the Skrulls, which would make that ending even worse
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Very unintentionally funny that probably now the most powerful person in the universe is going to be doing... something... with mi6 and never appear again in the MCU. that's just how her story ends
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So if the President declared everyone not born on the planet to be an enemy combatant, does that mean he effectively just declared war on New Asgard?
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PantsOptional posted:So if the President declared everyone not born on the planet to be an enemy combatant, does that mean he effectively just declared war on New Asgard? The American president would never do something stupid and drastic out of fear and bigotry. He also won’t be the president for long, he’ll have to make room for Harrison Ford
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site posted:Very unintentionally funny that probably now the most powerful person in the universe is going to be doing... something... with mi6 and never appear again in the MCU. that's just how her story ends one of the bigger problems (though probably not the biggest) with the post-Endgame MCU has been the frequency with which they've introduced new characters, and to a lesser extent subplots, and then - in not all but very many cases - not given any indication where those things might be followed up on. It's greatly contributed to the sense that they don't have a real plan and are just throwing poo poo at a vaguely Multiverse Saga-shaped wall and seeing what sticks.
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Barry Convex posted:one of the bigger problems (though probably not the biggest) with the post-Endgame MCU has been the frequency with which they've introduced new characters, and to a lesser extent subplots, and then - in not all but very many cases - not given any indication where those things might be followed up on. It's greatly contributed to the sense that they don't have a real plan and are just throwing poo poo at a vaguely Multiverse Saga-shaped wall and seeing what sticks. Its especially weird like if you're a minor character, you'll show up everywhere. Wong and that dude from Black Widow? Yeah we need to bring them back, maybe even multiple times. Shang Chi? Who the gently caress knows when we'll see him again, if ever.
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Barry Convex posted:one of the bigger problems (though probably not the biggest) with the post-Endgame MCU has been the frequency with which they've introduced new characters, and to a lesser extent subplots, and then - in not all but very many cases - not given any indication where those things might be followed up on. It's greatly contributed to the sense that they don't have a real plan and are just throwing poo poo at a vaguely Multiverse Saga-shaped wall and seeing what sticks. thinking of how they've been very gradually introducing a Young Avengers roster over the past several years but still have yet to actually announce a YA project
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PantsOptional posted:So if the President declared everyone not born on the planet to be an enemy combatant, does that mean he effectively just declared war on New Asgard? President Valkyrie wins the title in one on one combat
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notthegoatseguy posted:Its especially weird like if you're a minor character, you'll show up everywhere. Wong and that dude from Black Widow? Yeah we need to bring them back, maybe even multiple times. Shang Chi? Who the gently caress knows when we'll see him again, if ever. Simiu probably would be down too. He even recently went on the Bachelorette to promote Barbie. Thereby ending the franchises 20+ year streak of pretending Asian men don't exist.
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Barry Convex posted:one of the bigger problems (though probably not the biggest) with the post-Endgame MCU has been the frequency with which they've introduced new characters, and to a lesser extent subplots, and then - in not all but very many cases - not given any indication where those things might be followed up on. It's greatly contributed to the sense that they don't have a real plan and are just throwing poo poo at a vaguely Multiverse Saga-shaped wall and seeing what sticks. I think some of that is because of all the release schedule reshuffling they never were quite sure what the next thing coming out was goin to be, so instead of teeing up that they instead keep teasing stuff for the individual film franchises. it's safe to say that was a probably a mistake and the approach should've been simply to not tease anything. More Pizza Poppa and less Clea.
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Something I realized at the end of the episode is if the Skrull base was so radioactive that "Fury" was going to die after being there for a couple of minutes how were all the people locked up in the basement still alive? Also, yeah, the ending was super bizarre. About the only thing that actually happened was Gravik (a character we've never seen before) and Talos dying.
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muscles like this! posted:Something I realized at the end of the episode is if the Skrull base was so radioactive that "Fury" was going to die after being there for a couple of minutes how were all the people locked up in the basement still alive? Unstable molocules
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Your No Prize answer is wherever the pods were was shielded. In the finale's defense I did like the Super Skrull fight, but on the whole it was a weirdly paced episode that ran through a ton of really interesting plot that the show should've been about.
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Who in the MCU has Ice powers? I could place most of the other abilities but not that one.
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Klungar posted:Who in the MCU has Ice powers? I could place most of the other abilities but not that one. IIRC it was a monster from Thor 2.
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Klungar posted:Who in the MCU has Ice powers? I could place most of the other abilities but not that one. Frost Beast DNA was part of the Super-Skrull mix earlier in the season, I assume it came from there.
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howe_sam posted:Your No Prize answer is wherever the pods were was shielded. Yea I'm glad it was pretty short. Didn't drag on beyond what was needed.
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muscles like this! posted:Something I realized at the end of the episode is if the Skrull base was so radioactive that "Fury" was going to die after being there for a couple of minutes how were all the people locked up in the basement still alive? Maria Hill died too
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Missed comedy option for a credits stinger: Rhodey was taken sometime in the late 90s and doesn't know what the gently caress anyone is talking about at all
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RIP Secret Invasion, for one hour you weren't completely idiotic, shame about the other five. I guess if Coleman wants to get a name she can show up with Gaia the Super Skrull or whatever again but otherwise I look forward to you never being referenced going forward and hopefully we can all put this behind us and start pretending it didn't happen.
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CapnAndy posted:RIP Secret Invasion, for one hour you weren't completely idiotic, shame about the other five. I guess if Coleman wants to get a name she can show up with Gaia the Super Skrull or whatever again but otherwise I look forward to you never being referenced going forward and hopefully we can all put this behind us and start pretending it didn't happen. You know Olivia Coleman has a loving Oscar, right?
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Air Skwirl posted:You know Olivia Coleman has a loving Oscar, right?
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CapnAndy posted:Yes, and? I mean her character. What's her character's frigging name. Sonya or Sonia or something?
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CapnAndy posted:Yes, and? I mean her character. What's her character's frigging name. Sonya Failsworth.
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CapnAndy posted:Yes, and? I mean her character. What's her character's frigging name. Personally I think she was the best part of the mini series. MCU needs more true badasses
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https://twitter.com/ThatJakePC/status/1684331157993795584?s=20
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That would imply it was saying something. It was just a sort of mish-mash of convenient plot devices and very obvious lazy writing. It's disappointing because the performances in the show were actually great. Olivia Colman, Sam Jackson, Ben Mendelsohn, Kingsley Ben-Adir, and Don Cheadle all killed it. There were some really interesting and cool ideas in the show as well. But, the execution of everything - especially the writing and show-running/directing - was incredibly bad. The very last episode would have actually been a great concept for episode 2 of the series and have the rest of the show dealing with the fallout. The Super-Super Skrull fight was a cool idea, the idea of recreating the Fantastic 4 Super Skrull powers with dead MCU characters is a very cool twist, and the concept of a spy movie where you never know who you can trust that reveals long-time characters weren't what you thought and recontextualizes the story is a cool idea. All interesting ideas paired with great performances that were utterly failed by the terrible execution, lazy writing, and jumbled pacing and story structure. The series has turned me against the writers' strike because whoever they hired to write it was paid far too much. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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The secret invasion into all these high power positions did nothing with the opportunity until the week Fury showed back up, and he cleaned it all up immediately.
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Aphrodite posted:The secret invasion into all these high power positions did nothing with the opportunity until the week Fury showed back up, and he cleaned it all up immediately. Nothing stopping the remaining Skrulls from doing it again though, and they've got plenty of motivation with the most powerful person on the planet starting a genocide against them.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Nothing stopping the remaining Skrulls from doing it again though, and they've got plenty of motivation with the most powerful person on the planet starting a genocide against them. People are looking for them now and watching out for abductions. Earth will just implement new Assassin's Creed-style rules for being a world leader where you have to get your pinky finger cut off on inauguration day.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Nothing stopping the remaining Skrulls from doing it again though, and they've got plenty of motivation with the most powerful person on the planet starting a genocide against them. He loses the next election, surely that fixes everything.
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