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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/DougieCoullPics/status/1682830392582103040 Its hilarious when you consider that the navy generally acts like being clean is more important then loving floating. "She may not sail, but she must shine."
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The Oldest Man posted:the president sits down in the situation room to deal with the exploding conventional land war in europe and all twelve of the generals in the room with him have huge beards and oakleys lol
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The Oldest Man posted:the president sits down in the situation room to deal with the exploding conventional land war in europe and all twelve of the generals in the room with him have huge beards and oakleys
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Frosted Flake posted:The photo captures the entire thing, really Far-North Stream?
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In the US you can see how SF has warped every branch of service, because the Coast Guard has four special operations teams. I don't know which is Tier One and Tier Two, but:   TACLET   MSRT   MSST   PSU and that's the loving Coast Guard. So far as I know, it's not like any of the people assigned to the SF units do useful things like assist boaters in distress, either. They're not rescue swimmers, they're not maintaining navigational aids, or performing safety inspections. It's complete organizational deadweight to the mission of the Coast Guard.
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The Oldest Man posted:the president sits down in the situation room to deal with the exploding conventional land war in europe and all twelve of the generals in the room with him have huge beards and oakleys lmfao
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The Oldest Man posted:the president sits down in the situation room to deal with the exploding conventional land war in europe and all twelve of the generals in the room with him have huge beards and oakleys
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My wild rear end guess for how many flag officers are needed to manage special ops, aside from the semi-tongue in cheek take of "management of savagery/organized crime", is that all these assassinations and kidnappings are very bureaucratic affairs. If you've seen the movie Eye in the Sky with Alan Rickman (a scholarly source) they spend so much of the movie on approving kills and even running their missions past freaking lawyers. Why people who are above the law international or otherwise give a poo poo about legality, idk, but the military needing to consult lawyers first is eminently American to me. So they need flag officers hanging around to liaise with intelligence agencies and politicians and I suppose lawyers in order to do whatever poo poo they plan to botch next.
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skooma512 posted:My wild rear end guess for how many flag officers are needed to manage special ops, aside from the semi-tongue in cheek take of "management of savagery/organized crime", is that all these assassinations and kidnappings are very bureaucratic affairs. If you've seen the movie Eye in the Sky with Alan Rickman (a scholarly source) they spend so much of the movie on approving kills and even running their missions past freaking lawyers. Why people who are above the law international or otherwise give a poo poo about legality, idk, but the military needing to consult lawyers first is eminently American to me. That's how it works for us, since there are all sorts of JAG officers in CANSOFCOM.
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Mister Bates posted:pretty much everyone uses the rubber tiles now, the Russians love those things and most modern American subs are also covered in them circa 2012 virginia class subs still had a solid rubberized coating over them. Frosted Flake posted:The photo captures the entire thing, really You can only surface through thin enough ice in a sub, this is technically how you would actually get dudes to certain parts of the north loving pole, for some reason. Turtle Sandbox has issued a correction as of 23:26 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Frosted Flake posted:The photo captures the entire thing, really Awesome MGS opening. Also probably one day jump into SCS China man made islands to cut up some radar operators, I donno. It's like redbull games for the military guys.
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The Oldest Man posted:jesus christ lol These are some small island junta government ratios
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Frosted Flake posted:In the US you can see how SF has warped every branch of service, because the Coast Guard has four special operations teams. I don't know which is Tier One and Tier Two, but: I know this is probably supposed to come out like "tackle-it", but lol that can not be a fortunate name in the world of toxic machismo.
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1684306292570030080 Lmao. So that's why they didn't send any to Ukraine?
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every part of this article is actually a lmao i mean we all already know that sof are a bunch of roided out murderers but quote:A common explanation for these behaviors is an excessively high operations tempo, leading to burnout. In fact, for most of the war on terror, Tier 1 special mission units typically deployed for only 3 months at a time, while others, such as Army Special Forces, served 6-month tours. Conventional units during this period served repetitive 12- (and in some cases 15-) month tours. For many years, the conventional force maintained a 1:1 ratio between time in garrison and time deployed, while the SOF community was able to maintain a more sustainable 2:1 ratio featuring much shorter tours. Operations tempo should not be ignored, but it obscures deeper and more compelling factors. lmao quote:An obvious issue is a drop in quality. The expansion of SOF since 9/11 has inevitably diluted the force by increasing the demand for more special operations candidates, creating pressure for lowered standards and driving commanders at times to overlook behaviors that previously demanded elimination.25 A corollary is that commissioned officers often have less authority in SOF units than in the conventional force.26 Unlike enlisted leaders, they tend to come and go in SOF assignments, rotating between operational and staff postings. Often, they must acquiesce to the informal leadership of senior enlisted leaders who have far longer tenure and greater actual influence. (Special operations units are characterized by the presence of very senior enlisted leaders [E8 and E9] at very low levels.) Officers who insist on strict standards of accountability and conduct are not always welcome and may be removed and reassigned, as happened to future USSOCOM commander Admiral William McRaven earlier in his SEAL career. Lieutenants and captains in the 75th Ranger Regiment or Army Special Forces who do not conform to informal enlisted norms similarly risk reassignment. rofl quote:Another contributing factor is the tendency to wall off or stovepipe SOF. SOF operations are typically poorly coordinated with conventional battlespace owners—a chronic problem exacerbated by the tendency to employ SOF outside of the normal chain of command. Even in extremis, conventional units cannot expect assistance from nearby SOF assets such as the AC-130 gunship or uncrewed aerial vehicles, as seen in the epic battles at Wanat, COP Keating, and the Ganjgal in Afghanistan. A glaring example was seen in both Iraq and Afghanistan, where special mission units (“black SOF”) were not task-organized under theater joint force commanders but instead reported to the combatant commander in Tampa. lol this sounds like a bunch of enlisted figured out how to go on permanent murder vacation larping as cod characters for a job and did their pr so good that everyone thinks you can win an actual war with this clown show now
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genericnick posted:Lmao. So that's why they didn't send any to Ukraine? Also, probably most those tanks in the desert already had their engines removed as well.
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1684306292570030080 Wait so is this saying the USA can currently only field 2000 tanks?
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skooma512 posted:Why people who are above the law international or otherwise give a poo poo about legality, idk, but the military needing to consult lawyers first is eminently American to me. can’t go around whacking made men. source: hit hollywood movies casino and goodfellas
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The more you violate laws and norms the more you care about the appearance of them, simple as. Doing an extrajudicial murder of an American citizen who also happened to be a minor who wasn't even accused of a crime is only OK if you do it with the utmost decorum and respect for the law (which means having lots of lawyers who all said it's ok in the right order).
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Slavvy posted:Wait so is this saying the USA can currently only field 2000 tanks? Repair 2000 once or send 4000 one-way tanks at the moment basically.
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Centrist Committee posted:looking forward to when the thread title is updated to present tense, seems like it’s getting closer lol
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The Oldest Man posted:every part of this article is actually a lmao  https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/30/navy-seals-drug-use-shows-mission-toll-on-special-/ They blame drug use and kid buggering on both being deployed too much, and not being deployed enough. ETA: The Oldest Man posted:The more you violate laws and norms the more you care about the appearance of them, simple as. Doing an extrajudicial murder of an American citizen who also happened to be a minor who wasn't even accused of a crime is only OK if you do it with the utmost decorum and respect for the law (which means having lots of lawyers who all said it's ok in the right order). This reminds me of when the Spanish came to the Americas and read out proclamations from the Monarch of Spain in Spanish to the Natives saying what they were doing was in fact legal and justified. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Requirement_of_1513 skooma512 has issued a correction as of 00:34 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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Don’t get started about the Requiremento, I had to write a whole paper about it once, and it’s obscenely complex. There was a 3 year debate clarifying if Indios were Pagans or Infidels. More relevant is that as soon as people were out of sight of the Spanish Crown they just ignored it, along with the many other laws for the protection of the indios. de las Casas was kind of a Liz Lad, I hate to say. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 00:51 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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Frosted Flake posted:Don’t get started about the Requiremento, I had to write a whole paper about it once, and it’s obscenely complex. I just get bemused by the absurdity of reading such a thing to people who do not even speak the language and then going yup we're good here.
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sullat posted:The Spanish crown was also very sad that the natives were being genocided and tut-tutted about it but God help you if you didn't give them their share of the plunder. I imagine the spanish crown had a long legal argument about how god was in fact on their side and there would be no help coming.
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skooma512 posted:I just get bemused by the absurdity of reading such a thing to people who do not even speak the language and then going yup we're good here.  Iirc it took a while for them to be written in other languages.
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Lostconfused posted:I imagine the spanish crown had a long legal argument about how god was in fact on their side and there would be no help coming. The legal argument was that God was on the Indians’ side, but because they had not been exposed to the gospel, and because the Aztecs specifically practiced human sacrifice, it was imperative to protect them. There were really four competing schools of thought in the multiyear debates over the Requiremento. De los Casas was by far the most humane. Actually, now that I think about it, it foreshadowed Unlawful Combatants. Any group that had not been read the Requiremento could not be harmed, they were pagans. Any group that had been read the Requiremento but refused to become subjects of the Spanish Crown and Christians were Infidels - and were not protected by the laws of war. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 01:13 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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Frosted Flake posted:In the US you can see how SF has warped every branch of service, because the Coast Guard has four special operations teams. I don't know which is Tier One and Tier Two, but: i bet the coasties are just happy to be allowed to have beards again
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Frosted Flake posted:The photo captures the entire thing, really Russian pipelines ain’t gonna blow themselves up.
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skooma512 posted:My wild rear end guess for how many flag officers are needed to manage special ops, aside from the semi-tongue in cheek take of "management of savagery/organized crime", is that all these assassinations and kidnappings are very bureaucratic affairs. If you've seen the movie Eye in the Sky with Alan Rickman (a scholarly source) they spend so much of the movie on approving kills and even running their missions past freaking lawyers. Why people who are above the law international or otherwise give a poo poo about legality, idk, but the military needing to consult lawyers first is eminently American to me. So they need flag officers hanging around to liaise with intelligence agencies and politicians and I suppose lawyers in order to do whatever poo poo they plan to botch next. Flag creep is a very real problem in the military, there are always more flag officers than the organizational structure actually needs.
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Flag creep is a very real problem in the military, there are always more flag officers than the organizational structure actually needs. have you taken pity on people wouldn't get their sweet lockheed rotating door gigs if they asked very irrelevant questions like "what if we are in a real war"
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