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Sekhmnet posted:The Trump presidential library should be a box of mystery porn out in the woods What, put that thing where you know teenagers will find it? You monster.
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New thread title please: Never saw nothing.
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Jul 28, 2023 04:37
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:(then Christians and Jews disagree about whether Jesus was his literal son and avatar or just a really good guy who god sent out to spread the good word). Jews don't believe that Jesus was a prophet. This is a pretty incredible error to make at the start of your exegetical post to be frank, like it's blowing my mind that someone could believe they know about Judaism and Christianity but get this wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism%27s_view_of_Jesus Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Jul 28, 2023 |
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Jul 28, 2023 05:30
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Pretty sure it's Muslims who believe that
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Jul 28, 2023 05:43
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Comstar posted:New thread title please: Never saw nothing. Cosplaying as Johnny Tightlips is definitely a legal strategy, I will give him that.
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Jul 28, 2023 06:30
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The presumed-Iran strategy/attack document (aka can you bring in some cokes) is explicitly listed as charge 32 in the superceding indictment.
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Jul 28, 2023 06:55
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Charlz Guybon posted:Lol. The balls on this guy asking the court to please let him continue commiting the crime he is being charged for. Truly, in America, anyone can grow up to be president. This man had his finger on the nuclear button for FOUR. Years.
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Jul 28, 2023 07:59
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Everyone: Your honor we request the accused be held without bail pending trial to reduce the continuance of these crimes. T: Let us GO TO CONGRESS, Proud boys can provide extra security, and they'll confirm I WAS THE WINNING PRESIDENT - show the people MY DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS and the BIDEN CRIME FAMILY'S ESPIONAGE in Ukraine's China Town.
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Jul 28, 2023 09:57
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Lmao at "revictimizing the intelligence agencies".
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Failed Imagineer posted:Lmao at "revictimizing the intelligence agencies". It’s a dumb quote but from a legal standpoint it makes sense. The injured party in this case is the United States and the intelligence agencies that the data was collected by and kept secret by. I follow the logic.
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Jul 28, 2023 12:51
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Show me on the doll where the president declassified you.
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Jul 28, 2023 13:23
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:That’s where like 30% of people are at for sure. I do believe that more people are swayable (at least to stay home) than most people do though. Maybe I’m a hopeless optimist. There was a poll out yesterday that showed that 50% of Republicans don't even believe there ever were classified documents at Mar-a-Lago (despite Trump repeatedly admitting it and saying he was allowed to have them). I'm guessing it is a combination the average American not knowing anything and partisan belief in Trump. Around 25% of people aren't sure if it was Biden or Trump who is being charged for taking classified documents to Mar-a-Lago.
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Jul 28, 2023 13:59
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Jews don't believe that Jesus was a prophet. This is a pretty incredible error to make at the start of your exegetical post to be frank, like it's blowing my mind that someone could believe they know about Judaism and Christianity but get this wrong. I did not say he was a prophet. The common view in modern Judaism is to consider Jesus to be a Jew who was trying to do good work, but was not divine. quote:Yitz Greenberg, for example, has proposed viewing Jesus as a “failed messiah” – the term “failed” being used here not in a pejorative sense, but as an indication that Jesus’ redemptive work remains incomplete. quote:A positive view of Jesus is fairly represented among modern Jews in the currents of Reform (Emil G. Hirsch and Kaufmann Kohler), Conservative (Milton Steinberg and Byron Sherwin,), and Jewish Renewal (Zalman Schachter-Shalomi). I don't want to continue the derail, though. Just correcting that I never said that. https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Jesus-for-Jews
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Jul 28, 2023 14:13
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Bold strategy: You are on tape describing a classified document in your hand and the defense you are going with is: "It's an audio tape, I didn't actually have it in my hand. I was just joking about it. If there was video, then you'd see that I never had one." https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1684695606638358529
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Jul 28, 2023 14:16
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There was a poll out yesterday that showed that 50% of Republicans don't even believe there ever were classified documents at Mar-a-Lago
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cr0y posted:Show me on the doll where the president declassified you. a shame the title just got changed
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Jul 28, 2023 14:22
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Jews don't believe that Jesus was a prophet. This is a pretty incredible error to make at the start of your exegetical post to be frank, like it's blowing my mind that someone could believe they know about Judaism and Christianity but get this wrong. I don't see the word prophet in Leon's post?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I did not say he was a prophet. The common view in modern Judaism is to consider Jesus to be a Jew who was trying to do good work, but was not divine. You said "good guy who god sent out to spread the good word" which is a prophet. That's what a prophet is. There is not even a consensus in Judaism that Jesus is a good guy. The Talmud describes him boiling alive in poo poo in hell. The holiday of Nittel Nacht, celebrated on December 25/January 9 (the only Jewish holiday that uses a Christian calendar), is about hiding in fear of zombie lich Jesus. Generally religions frown on heretics and the gods of competing religions, this case is no exception. What you said was very incorrect, maybe because you don't see a key difference between "trying to do good work" and "god sent out to spread the good word." The sources you quote describe the former, not the latter. Even within those sources there's no reference to beliefs among Orthodox Jews who are the largest, fastest-growing, and most politically/culturally powerful tendency in the religion. You said that Jews believe Jesus was sent by God to preach the good word, this is not true, I am too dnd-brained about this to let this go uncorrected on the record. socialsecurity posted:I don't see the word prophet in Leon's post? "Sent by God to preach the good word" is prophecy. KKKLIP ART posted:It’s a dumb quote but from a legal standpoint it makes sense. The injured party in this case is the United States and the intelligence agencies that the data was collected by and kept secret by. I follow the logic. There is technical accuracy to it but it reads very poorly. Something like "continuing to leak Americans secrets/expose American vulnerabilities" or if they must use the revictimizing language, something like revictimizing Americans or American troops would be s lot better. Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Jul 28, 2023 |
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Jul 28, 2023 14:34
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Civilized Fishbot posted:You said "good guy who god sent out to spread the good word" which is a prophet. That's what a prophet is. Hachi Machi. You're extremely wrong here. You're looking at ancient history. You are not going to go into a modern synagogue and hear people talking about boiling Jesus alive in poo poo in hell (which most modern Jews don't even believe is a physical space). Nittel Nacht is not about hiding from Zombie Jesus, lol. Nobody except haredi celebrate it and even they don't do it to hide from Zombie Jesus. I'm assuming you are just using Wikipedia because it mentions "Medieval apostates" believed that. Very few things believed by "Medieval apostates" are part of modern Jewish canon. Are you Jewish or just Wiki'ing? Because the idea that we are still chanting about boiling Jesus alive in Hebrew School and hiding on Christmas from the Jesus Zombie in modern times is some wild stuff and I have no idea how you would have ever encountered that in real life. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Jul 28, 2023 |
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Jul 28, 2023 14:42
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 the theology derail up please tia
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Oracle posted:Truly, in America, anyone can grow up to be president. I'm convinced that Trump's first meeting with McConnell was basically Mitch telling Donald in no uncertain terms that he had the votes to remove him from office if he (1) hosed with the judicial nominee list in any way, and (2) got anywhere near the big red button
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Hachi Machi. You're extremely wrong here. quote:You are not going to go into a modern synagogue and hear people talking about boiling Jesus alive in poo poo in hell (which modern Jews don't even believe is a physical space). If you complete Shas you will read that daf. If everyone reads that daf at the same time - like for daf yomi - it will be discussed. quote:Nittel Nacht is not about hiding from Zombie Jesus, lol. Yes it is, at least that was the narrative when it was established. https://daily.jstor.org/nittel-nacht-the-jewish-christmas-eve/. It's an adaptation of the medieval Christian belief that the dead rise at Christmas. Nowadays there's not an idea of a literal zombie but "negative spiritual energies" etc, but there's still no study of Torah. Think about how serious that is, for a Haredi to feel obliged to refrain from studying Torah - this is a holiday about evasion of evil. quote:I'm assuming you are just using Wikipedia I am not. quote:. Are you Jewish or just Wiki'ing? I'm Jewish and I don't like that you misrepresented our religion. quote:Because the idea that we are still chanting about boiling Jesus alive in Hebrew School and hiding on Christmas from the Jesus Zombie in modern times is some wild stuff and I have no idea how you would have ever encountered that in real life. Well you don't "chant" or leyn Talmud and particularly not in Hebrew school. But if you go to Yeshiva, you will learn Gittin which includes the punishments of Balaam and Jesus. Nittel Nacht is still widely practiced. I have friends who do Nittel Nacht, and of course they don't literally believe Jesus is walking around on Earth in avoiding negative spiritual energies associated with Jesus and Christianity. The Lubavitcher Rebbe was a proponent of it, you can check it out in Yom HaYom. The Talmud and ancient minhagim are still foundational parts of Judaism, or "modern Judaism", as it's generally practiced around the world.
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Jul 28, 2023 15:01
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Maybe we can combine the two conversations by having the Great Sanhedrin reconvene and try Donald Trump too.
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Jul 28, 2023 15:02
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What could be more boring than two pedants quibbling about their dumbass religion. No one gives a poo poo
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I'm willing to suspend my disbelief and accept on faith (lol) that it took fifteen minutes to write that last post but anymore after this is gonna be some timeouts
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Jul 28, 2023 15:10
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Trump's former lawyer who defended him in the Mueller case thinks he is boned and that his current legal team are either doing a bad job or taking orders from Trump instead of trying to provide the best defense possible. https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1684901217313390592
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There was a poll out yesterday that showed that 50% of Republicans don't even believe there ever were classified documents at Mar-a-Lago (despite Trump repeatedly admitting it and saying he was allowed to have them). I have to remind myself sometimes that a lot of people just do not pay any attention to politics. I’m married to one of them. She can’t name the vice president (who is from our state.) She can’t name the governor. I doubt she has any idea about the documents or even indictments. It just doesn’t register on her radar. Her family is all MAGA so I consider this to be a positive given the most likely alternative. And I talk about politics enough on the internet it’s nice to know I won’t have to at home.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Trump's former lawyer who defended him in the Mueller case thinks he is boned and that his current legal team are either doing a bad job or taking orders from Trump instead of trying to provide the best defense possible. It's not a German Reich, dude.
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What does it mean for an indictment to last a long time/why would the prosecutors want that? Wouldn't you want to quickly move on to the trial, and from there to sentencing?
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Civilized Fishbot posted:What does it mean for an indictment to last a long time/why would the prosecutors want that? Wouldn't you want to quickly move on to the trial, and from there to sentencing? I think it's just a metaphor for it being solid and well-documented with plenty of facts. It's not going away easily.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:What does it mean for an indictment to last a long time/why would the prosecutors want that? Wouldn't you want to quickly move on to the trial, and from there to sentencing? It’s a figure of speech. He means it is extremely strong. It’s a clumsy metaphor.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Trump's former lawyer who defended him in the Mueller case thinks he is boned and that his current legal team are either doing a bad job or taking orders from Trump instead of trying to provide the best defense possible. He has a tendency to fire or not pay people who don't follow his instructions to the letter, even if those instructions happen to be written in crayon
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:It’s a figure of speech. He means it is extremely strong. It’s a clumsy metaphor. Yeah it's a pretty bad metaphor due to both the uhhh Germanic connotations, and the fact that people are very invested in this indictment moving fast
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Jul 28, 2023 15:44
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Trump confirms that even in a worst case scenario where he gets prison time, he would still run for President from prison. https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1684919925373083648
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Trump confirms that even in a worst case scenario where he gets prison time, he would still run for President from prison. Well I mean of course he's going to say that. He's not going to stop thinking up ways to sweep campaign donations into his personal basket of wealth just because he's in prison.
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Jul 28, 2023 15:57
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projecthalaxy posted:Maybe we can combine the two conversations by having the Great Sanhedrin reconvene and try Donald Trump too. quote:24 When Garland saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
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Jul 28, 2023 16:03
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Was it ever determined if a president can pardon themselves? Technically undecided! Most people assume "No," because the constitution outlines ways to hold the President accountable and specify that he can be guilty of crimes, so the assumption is that the intent was never that he would be able to pardon himself and make those processes pointless. But, the constitution never actually explicitly says whether he can or not. They can definitely resign and have the VP pardon them.
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Found the article with the poll mentioned earlier about how half of Republicans don't even think there were documents at Mar-a-Lago. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1684806304290766848 quote:In early June, the federal government made public a 49-page indictment targeting former president Donald Trump. Trump and his staffer Waltine “Walt” Nauta face dozens of charges related to Trump’s possession of material he took to his home at Mar-a-Lago after leaving the White House, including a number of documents marked as classified.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There was a poll out yesterday that showed that 50% of Republicans don't even believe there ever were classified documents at Mar-a-Lago (despite Trump repeatedly admitting it and saying he was allowed to have them).
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