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hazardousmouse
Dec 17, 2010

vyelkin posted:

lol I don't mind the talking, in fact I like talking more than the infinite meaningless punches, it just bugs me how often the story has gone back to the same well of "oh Alison got hosed up and now a new character we didn't meet before has appeared to explain things", there's lots of ways to do talking that aren't that

otoh these godly dipshits have been stuck with each other for thousands of years, of course they're gonna talk the new girls ears off

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The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



i was stuck waiting on stuff for a whole day and managed to binge Spacetrawler from 2012 to 2017 or so, and it really does feel like a comic that started off perfectly fine in 2012, as a comedic one-pager thing which reads great as a daily morning distraction. As a whole and as a complete read, because of how high-key dramatic the story is (intergalactic liberation of a slave race involving multiple wars) but low-key presentation where everything is placed under a veneer of irony and sarcasm, it very much reads like a mcu/joss whedon joint brought up to extremes but without the girlboss-but-actually-sexist stuff. Almost every time something major or significant happens, there's a quip or joke to undercut it. like did you realise Martina by pressing a button just annihilated a major base of operations for the eebs production of spacetrawlers that completely destabilized the economy of the galactic federation at large and that she massacred thousands of different races? I didn't even realise the impact because of the jokes, until several strips from now. somewhere later in the second book there's a genuinely heartfelt sequence (The killing of a world-destroyer while one character demands another character, who had previously been presented as a chaos elemental, to stop "performing" and actually show their real emotions) that gets also undercut with a quip at the last panel, which was so bad even the comment section had people complaining about it.

Christopher Baldiwn is a very talented and prolific cartoonist with an insane work ethic, but I really really wish he did not commit to an arbitrary jokes-per-strip in his writing. The stories in Spacetrawler are actually not bad but also, the second story involves two characters whose roles are purely punching people and it showed that he regretted creating two instead of one, especially as one of them was meant to be a one-note violence monkeycheese machine (the kangaroo). i'm just only getting into the third story and i'm kinda hoping he has grown to not do this anymore, at least there are... less characters and it appears the original crew of the fish dude, the sarcastic tentacle horse and the idiot who looks like a big walking penis are no longer part of the main cast, if you read story 2 you can really tell he's sick of them and just threw them into a decoy mission and literally cut off their spaceship's wings to stall them away from the main plot.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Anyway speaking of determinism let's get into some TAO

The Saddest Rhino posted:

XU YU REFUSES THE WORLD


ZHUANGZI SPEAKS 庄子说

WHO'S THE MASTER?


ZHUANGZI SPEAKS ABOUT NOT SPEAKING

i'm pretty sure that hanging text in the first panel is meant to be in the previous comic, but then, the lack of it in the first one seemed to have elevated it. that's why it is better to not speak a single word. i'm a genius

YAO'S QUESTION

also lol at the art error in the first panel. You can kinda feel Tsai was getting old and forgetting things, and his editors didn't care

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Christopher Baldwin

Oh poo poo! I've mostly been giving Spacetrawler a pass because of all the torture porn vibes, so I missed that he wrote it. A lot of stuff makes sense now. Bruno was an extremely Whedon Feminist work right down to the barely disguised fetishes (his "semi-autobiographical" comic about a female college student somehow manages to work in some of the same fantasies as Spacetrawler's constant amputations and brain clamping, so if you were wondering if this was his fetish or not now you know.)

mycatscrimes
Jan 2, 2020

the holy poopacy posted:

It's unusually janky even by k6bd standards but mostly I always just assumed like, weird esoteric martial arts stance :shrug: Like, he's just kind of tapping Jagganoth with two joined fingertips and that somehow blows Jagganoth through the fabric of reality, it's ok for him to be weirdly contorted because the effects of whatever he's doing isn't really connected to his actual motions. The proportions are still goofy and hosed up though.

Yeah the finger pose is i think both a reference to a specific kind of hand positioning you see in buddhist art and also clearly a spirit kind of move. The legs are egregiously big for sure, but the pose itself is fine. A lot of the wilder poses are clearly referencing or influenced by the kind of contortions you see in various religious art traditions depicting gods and heros and I dig it even when it's janky. I like it as a choice.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



i've forgotten a lot of Bruno but now that i think of it, it really did read like someone whose claim to feminism is listening to a lot of the Lilith Fair concert albums while writing the comic. I'm not sure if the brainclamping and the amputations are a fetish thing (there are quite a bit of them), although if we are talking about author biases, spacetrawler story 1 later goes into some very casual positive depiction of eugenics (a single line where a character says "oh yeah i'm also just figuring out how to ensure the new breed of eebs do not have telepathic abilities" which led to a plotline of them figuring it out) which when i reached that in my binge read i was like, ok i think i have to seriously ignore this if i want to enjoy this comic.

Emzedoh
Jun 26, 2013

Digamma-F-Wau posted:

Dolmistaska




and with that we're re-caught up with Dolmistaska. See you in roughly 20 weeks!

Thanks for updating us! Poor PM, though.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Last time, in Vigils for Friends:

Samovar posted:





Chapter 5: The Bolthole



Today: Boy, do you remember that phrase 'the customer is always right'? I do hope the person who coined that got fusilladed.







Edit: I also am not seeing what was so egregiously wrong about Solomon's pose in that one panel.

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Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...




I don't know if I can take this much drama :ohdear:

Emzedoh
Jun 26, 2013

Man, gently caress that guy.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Phthisis posted:

It took forever to finish this because I just started a new job and my car immediately broke down and has been out of commission, but I couldn't get over how insane that one drawing of Solomon was.



It like, blows my mind that Abbadon seemingly doesn't do like, any of the foundational pose sketching that is used for dynamic drawing. I did this by taking each half of the body, doing a basic pose frame for it, and then completing the other half of the pose in a way that made sense (to me). It's bad enough that these drawings can be so spatially/anatomically incorrect, but it also leads to very weak dynamic motion, which sucks for a comic that's a million pages of action.

sorry but this 'fixed' version looks a bazillion times worse

Remember the time people tried to fix the penny arcade scout troop comic and turns out they'd just completely misinterpreted what was going on in the story? lmao

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
:laffo:



nailed it. take note, abaddon

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Phthisis posted:

It took forever to finish this because I just started a new job and my car immediately broke down and has been out of commission, but I couldn't get over how insane that one drawing of Solomon was.



It like, blows my mind that Abbadon seemingly doesn't do like, any of the foundational pose sketching that is used for dynamic drawing. I did this by taking each half of the body, doing a basic pose frame for it, and then completing the other half of the pose in a way that made sense (to me). It's bad enough that these drawings can be so spatially/anatomically incorrect, but it also leads to very weak dynamic motion, which sucks for a comic that's a million pages of action.

Y’know, I agree that on a technical level your modified version is better (that is, with Solomon’s legs facing towards Jagganoth). And I think that just goes to show that it’s easy to gloss over bits of art in comics that are a bit off. Especially if the artist leans into wild stylistic choices like Araki does. Abbadon runs the gamut of incredibly tight stylistic perspective fuckery to absolute jank, but it’s easy for me to handwave the imperfections

mycatscrimes posted:

Yeah the finger pose is i think both a reference to a specific kind of hand positioning you see in buddhist art and also clearly a spirit kind of move. The legs are egregiously big for sure, but the pose itself is fine. A lot of the wilder poses are clearly referencing or influenced by the kind of contortions you see in various religious art traditions depicting gods and heros and I dig it even when it's janky. I like it as a choice.

I’ll also agree with this, and I think it’s a big part of why I can roll with it. Even when something feels off I can just think “yeah that’s probably something you’d do with magic martial arts” and not dwell on it much further

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KennyMan666
May 27, 2010

The Saga

Synthbuttrange posted:

Remember the time people tried to fix the penny arcade scout troop comic and turns out they'd just completely misinterpreted what was going on in the story? lmao
I haven't heard of this before, so I'm expecting an effortpost about it on my desk by tomorrow.

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys
Reaching the uncomfortable conclusion that Abaddon drew that shot of Jagganoth by placing his phone on the ground between his feet, with the camera set to a ten second timer.

Chicken Parmigiana
Sep 12, 2007

Phthisis posted:

It took forever to finish this because I just started a new job and my car immediately broke down and has been out of commission, but I couldn't get over how insane that one drawing of Solomon was.



It like, blows my mind that Abbadon seemingly doesn't do like, any of the foundational pose sketching that is used for dynamic drawing. I did this by taking each half of the body, doing a basic pose frame for it, and then completing the other half of the pose in a way that made sense (to me). It's bad enough that these drawings can be so spatially/anatomically incorrect, but it also leads to very weak dynamic motion, which sucks for a comic that's a million pages of action.



(Timg'd for huge, oops)

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SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

Valhalla











Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Tree Bucket posted:

Come to think of it, the narnia books also had a sorcerer-queen Jadis who was frozen in time. Bearer of The Word that kills everyone on a planet except yourself. Handy!

e: also I can't decide if ferns-and-Geiger brutalism is a great decorating style or completely repellant.

I was gonna say I got that reference. Also either way it feels like something very modern. Brutalism and greenery are a great combo.

Allison is just a shonen protagonist, going on a tour of the setting's medical facilities ranging from the finest hospitals to the filthiest back rooms is as standard as punching people. In fact it makes a lot of sense for someone whose primary activity is getting in fights.


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Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003


false knees
14JUN2017 - 12JUL2017

i've improved the k6bd art by muting the colour, altering the perspective, and replacing all the cast with birds and animals





Emzedoh
Jun 26, 2013

Emzedoh posted:

Takako-san chapter 35


Takako-san chapter 36
Takako vs the Pavlovian response





No checkerboard bonus page today, what the hell

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

Donald Duck - Ekol's Pendulum











Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

lol at the Eco cameo

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Are the disguised Beagle Boys supposed to remind the reader of RAF terrorists with automatic weapons because Donald Duck just got real, lmao

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Almost every time something major or significant happens, there's a quip or joke to undercut it. like did you realise Martina by pressing a button just annihilated a major base of operations for the eebs production of spacetrawlers that completely destabilized the economy of the galactic federation at large and that she massacred thousands of different races?

I totally agree with seeing the tonal dissonance and being annoyed at some of the mandatory punchlines, but I feel like this particular point came through just fine. Possibly due to reading it at a pace of two pages a day; I feel like Spacetrawler in particular is a real bad comic to binge.

And I'm not sure it'd actually be improved by having a more sincere tone; the universe is loving miserable and I think I'd have to put it down if it was played straight. I dunno, it's a comic that I like even though it's composed of elements that I hate, and I am having a hard time articulating why.

Samovar posted:

Boy, do you remember that phrase 'the customer is always right'? I do hope the person who coined that got fusilladed.

As far as I'm aware, the original phrase is "the customer is always right, in matters of taste," and was only meant as a reminder not to argue if someone didn't like their soup or wanted to buy an ugly shirt or whatever. It's not your job to have an opinion on what they should like. Your ire should be aimed at whoever decided to omit the second part and use it as a declaration that service staff are property.

E:

barbecue at the folks posted:

Are the disguised Beagle Boys supposed to remind the reader of RAF terrorists with automatic weapons because Donald Duck just got real, lmao

I'm pretty sure they're supposed to evoke 20's movie gangsters with comical disguises, because that's all a tommy gun means to continental Europeans.

E2: wait I'm thinking of the wrong RAF, but still, so long as it's the Beagle Boys I'm gonna go with gangster tropes

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Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸
Last panel has been me halfway through every meeting for the past six months.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges
Tall Penguin

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

barbecue at the folks posted:

Are the disguised Beagle Boys supposed to remind the reader of RAF terrorists with automatic weapons because Donald Duck just got real, lmao

I think those are supposed to be old-school gangster tommy guns.

Edit: I guess the RAF also used those, but in the US they are mostly associated with Prohibition era gangsters.

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Phthisis
Apr 16, 2007

"Maybe some dolphins have sex for pleasure."
Hey, I'm not saying my Solomon drawings are *good*, and I'd appreciate not getting poo poo for that. I am not an artist and it's just something I threw together to demonstrate how bad the pose and proportions are.

I understand the comparisons with jojo, and while I do not think jojo is good, I think that type of stylistic inaccuracy is clearly intentional in jojo and definitely works to the effect its being used for. I don't really think that K6BD is trying to do the same thing. Or, if it is, I think it's poorly executed to the extent that it does not come off as intentional.

I also don't really agree with the take that that pose is supposed to represent some kind of magical/godlike technique. Again, I understand what that type of thing would be referencing, and this was definitely something I thought a lot about when looking at the original image, particularly with the flowing cloth, but it just seems to lack intentionality to me. If that's what he was going for, I think it was pulled off poorly.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
I've loved all the bird related content recently.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

the holy poopacy posted:

Oh poo poo! I've mostly been giving Spacetrawler a pass because of all the torture porn vibes, so I missed that he wrote it. A lot of stuff makes sense now. Bruno was an extremely Whedon Feminist work right down to the barely disguised fetishes (his "semi-autobiographical" comic about a female college student somehow manages to work in some of the same fantasies as Spacetrawler's constant amputations and brain clamping, so if you were wondering if this was his fetish or not now you know.)

gross









CrocodileKingSaysNO
Jul 25, 2007

Phthisis posted:

Hey, I'm not saying my Solomon drawings are *good*, and I'd appreciate not getting poo poo for that. I am not an artist and it's just something I threw together to demonstrate how bad the pose and proportions are.

I understand the comparisons with jojo, and while I do not think jojo is good, I think that type of stylistic inaccuracy is clearly intentional in jojo and definitely works to the effect its being used for. I don't really think that K6BD is trying to do the same thing. Or, if it is, I think it's poorly executed to the extent that it does not come off as intentional.

I also don't really agree with the take that that pose is supposed to represent some kind of magical/godlike technique. Again, I understand what that type of thing would be referencing, and this was definitely something I thought a lot about when looking at the original image, particularly with the flowing cloth, but it just seems to lack intentionality to me. If that's what he was going for, I think it was pulled off poorly.

Even though the rearranging of the legs you did looks more believable anatomically it still feels less dynamic which I feel was the point of why he drew it the way he did. Legs sticking out weirdly aside, those feet are hosed. Hard to tell for sure but it appears he drew two left feet and that's my main issue with that pic. (Surprised no one has brought this up yet, or does my skimming betray me again and there was a whole chapter on how Solomon has two left feet?)

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Tree Bucket posted:

I like this very vaporwave fast-bike-and-setting sun, only instead of palms there's pines and instead of dusk and neon there's sleet.
Vaporw"eh?"ve I guess

Here's a quick a dirty thing based on the flag of the Communist party of Canada

Owl at Home
Dec 25, 2014

Well hoot, I don't know if I can say no to that
Prince Valiant in the Days of King Arthur (Nov 24, 1940)


Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

don't mock me for my poorly executed art, i say as i mock someone for poorly executed art

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"


Kill Six Billion Demons


quote:

NOTHING, NOTHING,
Alt: NOTHING AT ALL



quote:

The Black Sun
Alt: The Gate. The Path. The Light. The Door. The Candle burning to the floor.

For the next page I really have to link to the site directly
Not actually a spoiler: So I guess the shape of the universe is indeed the letter I

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

The life of a JRPG protagonist.

CrocodileKingSaysNO
Jul 25, 2007



now that im looking for it, this is a left foot too when it should be a right foot. dont have any problem with the dynamism, but the wrong feet/hands thing will always gently caress me up lol

NAG
Jul 13, 2009

Phthisis posted:

Hey, I'm not saying my Solomon drawings are *good*, and I'd appreciate not getting poo poo for that. I am not an artist and it's just something I threw together to demonstrate how bad the pose and proportions are.

I understand the comparisons with jojo, and while I do not think jojo is good, I think that type of stylistic inaccuracy is clearly intentional in jojo and definitely works to the effect its being used for. I don't really think that K6BD is trying to do the same thing. Or, if it is, I think it's poorly executed to the extent that it does not come off as intentional.

I also don't really agree with the take that that pose is supposed to represent some kind of magical/godlike technique. Again, I understand what that type of thing would be referencing, and this was definitely something I thought a lot about when looking at the original image, particularly with the flowing cloth, but it just seems to lack intentionality to me. If that's what he was going for, I think it was pulled off poorly.

I'm not trying to poo poo on your art, but I don't think the original drawing was anatomically incorrect. It wasn't a super exciting pose, but all the parts fit:



Your re-draw seems to interpret the legs being the other way around under the fabric.

CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:



now that im looking for it, this is a left foot too when it should be a right foot. dont have any problem with the dynamism, but the wrong feet/hands thing will always gently caress me up lol

THAT seems like a genuine mistake, yeah

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

now this redraw I can get behind :butt:

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Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
I thought her right leg had been amputated? She should be all left feet

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