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Adun posted:Swapping Colorado for SMU seems like a pretty good trade for the Pac to put a team in Texas. What's the prize for putting a team in Texas
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General Dog posted:What's the prize for putting a team in Texas Improved recruiting chances.
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Does the PAC scramble and add a bunch of teams to survive? Based on what they've done so far(absolutely nothing), I would be surprised. Especially with Cal and Stanford unwilling to look past academics for years. If a couple more teams ditch I think it's really dead. loving sad.
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THIS_IS_FINE posted:Does the PAC scramble and add a bunch of teams to survive? Based on what they've done so far(absolutely nothing), I would be surprised. Especially with Cal and Stanford unwilling to look past academics for years. If a couple more teams ditch I think it's really dead. loving sad. Oregon had a BoT meeting that wasn't scheduled before Wednesday apparently yesterday and didn't immediately jump ship, so that part is...goodish? For the other Oregon school from the Athletic's roundup of news: 'Oregon State’s leadership voiced its commitment to the Pac-12 on Friday.' Oh...good. That'll get it done. Iowa State approves of this this type of statement when things are going to poo poo.
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THIS_IS_FINE posted:Does the PAC scramble and add a bunch of teams to survive? Based on what they've done so far(absolutely nothing), I would be surprised. Especially with Cal and Stanford unwilling to look past academics for years. If a couple more teams ditch I think it's really dead. loving sad. They put out a press release last night saying they were going to expand, but did not give a timetable.
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PAC-12 just feels like a dead man walking. I think they can patch things up short term by adding SDSU, but losing USC and UCLA is just simply insurmountable.
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Komet posted:PAC-12 just feels like a dead man walking. I think they can patch things up short term by adding SDSU, but losing USC and UCLA is just simply insurmountable. I guess it just depends on your definition of "death". I think there's a conference called the Pac-something in 15 years, but that conference may well be Oregon State, Wazzu, Cal, and and some combination of MWC and AAC randos (Stanford is an independent for some reason in this reality)
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I still think the endgame is some kind of merger between what’s left of the PAC and the MWC. Dunno what that looks like (PAC remnants join MWC? Both conferences dissolve and reform as a new one ala the Big 12 in ‘96?). But at least Cal, Oregon State, and Washington State will be playing Boise et al. with some regularity in the future.
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Komet posted:PAC-12 just feels like a dead man walking. I think they can patch things up short term by adding SDSU, but losing USC and UCLA is just simply insurmountable. PAC-12 is going to be similar to the Big 12. I think the Big 12 is in a little better shape, but we lost all of our big name teams over the last 10ish years. We're not going to pull quite as many viewers as the SEC and Big 10, but we're still way better than the G5. PAC-12 probably ends up the same way, as long as they can get a few decent teams like SDSU, and Fresno State, maybe Boise State too.
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Bird in a Blender posted:PAC-12 is going to be similar to the Big 12. I think the Big 12 is in a little better shape, but we lost all of our big name teams over the last 10ish years. We're not going to pull quite as many viewers as the SEC and Big 10, but we're still way better than the G5. PAC-12 probably ends up the same way, as long as they can get a few decent teams like SDSU, and Fresno State, maybe Boise State too. It all depends on if the 9 stay together or not. Adding SDSU, Fresno, Boise, SMU, and Tulane to UO, UW, Arizona, ASU, and Utah feels a lot different than adding those teams + some to Cal, Oregon State, and Wazzou. Stick together and you have a conference that matches the quality of the Big XII in most sports, though may still have a lower per-school payout. Break apart and you are the MWC, a decided tier down from the Big XII and ACC.
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kayakyakr posted:It all depends on if the 9 stay together or not. Adding SDSU, Fresno, Boise, SMU, and Tulane to UO, UW, Arizona, ASU, and Utah feels a lot different than adding those teams + some to Cal, Oregon State, and Wazzou. Yeah if they hang tight they'll be ok picking up whoever, but I still feel like UO and UW are a ticking time bomb and it's just a matter of time. Unless this TV/streaming deal ends up way better than it seems it will. e: this mf said ticking time bomb and it's just a matter of time Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jul 28, 2023 |
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I'm just kind of baffled what happens to Oregon and Washington if the Big Ten truly isn't interested (or at least isn't interested enough to vote them in). Do we end up with something goofy like Oregon, Washington, Cal, and Stanford joining the ACC?
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I still think there's something holding the Big Ten back from outright killing the Pac xx but will have no problem being like "oh no it died, guess we have to strip the body for parts what a shame."
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Jul 28, 2023 21:48
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I'm just waiting to play in the SEC Classic division. We still have not hosted Texas A& M
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Sash! posted:I still think there's something holding the Big Ten back from outright killing the Pac xx but will have no problem being like "oh no it died, guess we have to strip the body for parts what a shame." Taking USC and UCLA was already the coup de grace. I think the reason the Big Ten hasn't moved further in grabbing Oregon and Washington is because what it really wants is Notre Dame. If the Big Ten can coax Notre Dame by bringing in Stanford, they will absolutely take Stanford, Oregon, and Washington.
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Jul 28, 2023 22:02
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Expanding into a super conference then breaking into regional subconferences like  forever and ever
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JesustheDarkLord posted:I'm just waiting to play in the SEC Classic division. Jesus, really? I knew LSU @ Mizzou was projected way out before Covid season happened but that’s crazy.
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Only way to get back to regionalism is an all FBS (or whatever they’re calling it now I forget) TV deal and that’s obviously not gonna happen.
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General Dog posted:I'm just kind of baffled what happens to Oregon and Washington if the Big Ten truly isn't interested (or at least isn't interested enough to vote them in). Do we end up with something goofy like Oregon, Washington, Cal, and Stanford joining the ACC? They probably just stay in a weak PAC-10
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Only way to get back to regionalism is an all FBS (or whatever they’re calling it now I forget) TV deal and that’s obviously not gonna happen. We’ll end up with 3 or 4 mega conferences who will then split up into regional divisions.
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Why does Boise not join the big12? Why go all the way to pac12?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Only way to get back to regionalism is an all FBS (or whatever they’re calling it now I forget) TV deal and that’s obviously not gonna happen. Speaking of, is it just the cat got out of the bag in the 90s on conferences negotiating their own TV deals? I'm kinda surprised the NCAA hasn't swooped in on that now that you allude to it.
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Dango Bango posted:Speaking of, is it just the cat got out of the bag in the 90s on conferences negotiating their own TV deals? I'm kinda surprised the NCAA hasn't swooped in on that now that you allude to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Board_of_Regents_of_the_University_of_Oklahoma TLDR: the NCAA did at one point control tv broadcasts, some major schools rebelled, the NCAA threatened sanctions, went to the Supreme Court, Supreme Court ruled that they were in violation of the Sherman antitrust act
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JesustheDarkLord posted:I'm just waiting to play in the SEC Classic division. A&M has not played at Kentucky yet either. Surprised there's still 2 schools, is it more?
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downout posted:Why does Boise not join the big12? Why go all the way to pac12? Big12 can do better. All Boise has is football on a blue turf. None of the other athletic programs are notable, they have gently caress all media market, the only corporate associates would be like Micron and Albertsons (until the sale to Kroger is completed), and they would have the smallest stadium in the conference. Any other school would likely beat them on every other metric aside from ‘football’.
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Robert Facepalmer posted:Big12 can do better. All Boise has is football on a blue turf. None of the other athletic programs are notable, they have gently caress all media market, the only corporate associates would be like Micron and Albertsons (until the sale to Kroger is completed), and they would have the smallest stadium in the conference. Any other school would likely beat them on every other metric aside from ‘football’. Boise probably has a larger football fanbase than Baylor. I'll give you that is the only sport they are good at but conference realignment is about football above all else. You'd have to assume Boise's other athletics could improve if their athletic department had access to more money.
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Boise is also really loving far away. Like Provo is already far, Boise is another 400 miles or so further from any other big 12 team. Also in a state with fuckall for recruiting.
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Football rules money as always, but the Big 12 seems to be looking for basketball for any fringe cases apparently if they can't grab more Pac teams? At least if we believe the leaks.
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Spacebump posted:Boise probably has a larger football fanbase than Baylor. I highly doubt that. I’d be willing to bet they aren’t even the most popular college team in the state. Even in the Treasure Valley, it seems like there is just as much BYU support.
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downout posted:Why does Boise not join the big12? Why go all the way to pac12? Why would the big12 add them? It's a two way thing. You need the invite to join a conference. Otherwise you end up with a Mizzou B10, SDSU P12, or whatever situation. Boise is gonna go to whichever bigger conference offera them. poo poo they were in the Big East for a second.
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downout posted:Why does Boise not join the big12? Why go all the way to pac12? I don't quite grasp your geographic premise here either. In the Pac-12 Boise would be 295 miles from the closest school, within 500 miles of three others, and 1000 miles from the most distant. In the Big 12 they're 382 miles from the closest school, 800 miles from the next closest, and 2600 miles from the most distant.
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General Dog posted:I don't quite grasp your geographic premise here either. In the Pac-12 Boise would be 295 miles from the closest school, within 500 miles of three others, and 1000 miles from the most distant. In the Big 12 they're 382 miles from the closest school, 800 miles from the next closest, and 2600 miles from the most distant. I think their other sports are bad enough they’ll struggle to find a home long term.
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I can always spot a fellow Californian by the distinct lack of geographical knowledge.
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I'm glad Rice at least bothered to fill out the application, but I can't imagine they have much of a chance: a tiny G5 school with a tiny fanbase (probably not even in the top 10 teams in their own city), and a stone's throw from another Big 12 member so they don't add any geographical diversity
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Incoherence posted:I'm glad Rice at least bothered to fill out the application, but I can't imagine they have much of a chance: a tiny G5 school with a tiny fanbase (probably not even in the top 10 teams in their own city), and a stone's throw from another Big 12 member so they don't add any geographical diversity The possible world where Rice made it into the Big 12 instead of Baylor is a fascinating thing to think about. Are they just Vandy? Do they actually get money and let some stuff slide and get at least kinda good at football?
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Grittybeard posted:The possible world where Rice made it into the Big 12 instead of Baylor is a fascinating thing to think about. It'd be Vandy with the Stanford band.
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General Dog posted:I don't quite grasp your geographic premise here either. In the Pac-12 Boise would be 295 miles from the closest school, within 500 miles of three others, and 1000 miles from the most distant. In the Big 12 they're 382 miles from the closest school, 800 miles from the next closest, and 2600 miles from the most distant. It's this. My grasp of geography is  For some reason I was imagining Idaho being closer to Wisconsin. It is not.
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downout posted:It's this. My grasp of geography is Yeah. Montana is wide. Like Charlie Weis wide.
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It would have been easier to just say "Boise is actually west of Las Vegas."
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