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DicktheCat
Feb 15, 2011

AEMINAL posted:

Just used bitcoin

(converted 200 usd and bought 10 grams of very pure amphetamine, and so much more!!)

I can do this with cash at the local corner store and not have to wait on shipping, so now what, bitchcoiners?

...God, I live in a rough neighborhood.

:smith:

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DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


I assume that when BBBYQ shares are cancelled the bbbaggies realize the loss for tax purposes whether they want to or not, though I am not a tax specialist. Also they may not want to take advantage of the savings even if they can because in their broken-rear end minds it would be giving up and betraying Cohen

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

I assume that when BBBYQ shares are cancelled the bbbaggies realize the loss for tax purposes whether they want to or not, though I am not a tax specialist. Also they may not want to take advantage of the savings even if they can because in their broken-rear end minds it would be giving up and betraying Cohen
When it's formally cancelled they'll get the 1099-R form from their broker saying "yo these shares were cancelled, here's the loss for your records" and that's that. Though whether it's claimed or not is a good question though if they're lazy and stuff all their documents into Turbotax it'll do it for them.

tyrelhill
Jul 30, 2006

Sardonik posted:

I thought of something darkly funny regarding the BBBY cult today. A lot of them could probably get a pretty solid loss to use for tax purposes against capital gains if they sold now. You can even use a little bit of it each year against ordinary income. The loss can be carried forward until used too.

yea this is like the only positive outcome remaining for these people, oof

Sardonik
Jul 1, 2005

if you like my dumb posts, you'll love my dumb youtube channel

kw0134 posted:

When it's formally cancelled they'll get the 1099-R form from their broker saying "yo these shares were cancelled, here's the loss for your records" and that's that. Though whether it's claimed or not is a good question though if they're lazy and stuff all their documents into Turbotax it'll do it for them.

This is going to be an absolutely amazing day when this finally does happen. I wonder how far we are from it.

Halibut Barn
May 30, 2005

help
"DO NOT FILE those 1099-R forms! You're going to need to hold on to them for when Ryan Cohen gives us the signal to exchange them for new shares in NuBBBY, and the IRS is trying to steal them from you!"

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


Halibut Barn posted:

"DO NOT FILE those 1099-R forms! You're going to need to hold on to them for when Ryan Cohen gives us the signal to exchange them for new shares in NuBBBY, and the IRS is trying to steal them from you!"

I mean, yes, this is it

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

Sardonik posted:

This is going to be an absolutely amazing day when this finally does happen. I wonder how far we are from it.
Depends on how quickly the bankruptcy case moves through the system which can be a tortuous process, but I think here we're sliding on through because it's clear that anything worth salvaging was worth a lot less than hoped, the stinky parts are even more underwater than anticipated, so there's nothing actually to fight over. Why spend millions in legal fees to bicker over a bankruptcy estate worth literal pennies? We'll probably get a resolution by year's end at this rate, the broker will tally up the loss for this year and send the form for filing with their 2023 taxes, but that's probably February 2024 at the earliest.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!
lol

https://twitter.com/GME_BBBY_TEDDY/status/1685263664964661248?t=J2EE0Z5i2gMlwavu7fZR8g&s=19

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

"Cohencidence" :suicide:

bertolt rekt
Jul 30, 2007

kw0134 posted:

When it's formally cancelled they'll get the 1099-R form from their broker saying "yo these shares were cancelled, here's the loss for your records" and that's that. Though whether it's claimed or not is a good question though if they're lazy and stuff all their documents into Turbotax it'll do it for them.

1099-R is for retirement account withdrawals. I don't know what form they would get in this case.

I DO know that having a company you own shares of go bankrupt is basically like giving your brokerage account herpes. You can't make it disappear from your account until the whole bankruptcy process or whatever is done. I worked at a retail brokerage until a few years ago and talked to a few different people who were still stuck with shares of enron.

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

bertolt rekt posted:

1099-R is for retirement account withdrawals. I don't know what form they would get in this case.

I DO know that having a company you own shares of go bankrupt is basically like giving your brokerage account herpes. You can't make it disappear from your account until the whole bankruptcy process or whatever is done. I worked at a retail brokerage until a few years ago and talked to a few different people who were still stuck with shares of enron.
Must be 1099-B[roker] then because the IRS gets cute with the 1099 suffixes. And this is a case where having the herpes is a mark of honor for these idiots.

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*

Already deleted? Windows+Shift+S is an easy screenshot tool btw

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

Mercury_Storm posted:

Already deleted? Windows+Shift+S is an easy screenshot tool btw

how ironic

it was some guy going on about how ryan cohen, elox mucx, and some other third guy had all deleted a tweet on the same day, and obviously this means something, a "Cohencidence" if you will

but what does him then deleting his tweet mean???

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Boxturret posted:

how ironic

it was some guy going on about how ryan cohen, elox mucx, and some other third guy had all deleted a tweet on the same day, and obviously this means something, a "Cohencidence" if you will

but what does him then deleting his tweet mean???

the illuminati got him

CrypticFox
Dec 19, 2019

"You are one of the most incompetent of tablet writers"
How could I have lost 165k, I only used my crypto for "business transactions" and "a couple of trusted crypto casinos"


Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
All the mentions of a "hard wallet" as if that means literally anything. It's just a digital version of the key written down in various ways, there's no such thing as a hard wallet or cold wallet or vault wallet or secure wallet or anything like that

SettingSun
Aug 10, 2013

Not sure I follow what happened to that guy. Got a deposit that was instantly swiped? Dunno if I would understand even if it would be made plain.

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.

SettingSun posted:

Not sure I follow what happened to that guy. Got a deposit that was instantly swiped? Dunno if I would understand even if it would be made plain.
The attacker had likely compromised the wallet long before they got 111 ETH from the "trusted crypto casino" and just waited until the wallet got a big enough influx of ETH to swipe it all. It'd be like if someone stole your debit card and waited until payday to withdraw the money from your paycheck instead of stealing whatever was in your account at the time that they stole your debit card. The big difference is that it's a lot easier to just monitor someone's ETH wallet to time it more carefully.

OP says they generated the wallet with a seed phrase (that they only ever wrote down in a journal they keep in a safe), so it's possible that an attacker was brute-forcing seed phrases, found one that was keyed to an active wallet, and just waited for an influx.

Elysiume fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jul 30, 2023

CrypticFox
Dec 19, 2019

"You are one of the most incompetent of tablet writers"

SettingSun posted:

Not sure I follow what happened to that guy. Got a deposit that was instantly swiped? Dunno if I would understand even if it would be made plain.

That's the neat part, no one in the thread seems to know what happened either. In crypto, sometimes your money just vanishes and you never find out why. One theory that some commenters think is plausible is that a friend of his snuck into his house, broke into his safe, and copied down his private key. The OP says this can't be since he only has one friend who has ever come to his house.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
probably could have even been a bot, just programmed to take everything when there's enough to be taken. Just think, you could go for years, saving every little fragment of bitcoin you can, and then one day a bot just takes it all because your wallet got compromised years ago and you didn't know. Isn't bitcoin wonderful?

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

CrypticFox posted:

That's the neat part, no one in the thread seems to know what happened either. In crypto, sometimes your money just vanishes and you never find out why. One theory that some commenters think is plausible is that a friend of his snuck into his house, broke into his safe, and copied down his private key. The OP says this can't be since he only has one friend who has ever come to his house.

If at any point they used some service to set up anything to do with their wallet the keys could have been kept, there's no way of telling until its too late. Even if you do everything yourself some of the guides are incorrect and lead you to setting up an unsecure wallet, like Andreas Anotopolous' mastering bitcoin book.

There's also trojans that specialise in stealing bitcoins, they can even tell if you copy a bitcoin address and swap it out for another one. I remember back when Fallout 4 came out suddenly there were a lot of reports of people losing their bitcoins, and it turned out that a torrent of the game had a bitcoin stealer in it :)

Boxturret fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Jul 30, 2023

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?
This is all indicative of a healthy and normal banking system right?

novamute
Jul 5, 2006

o o o

Sentient Data posted:

All the mentions of a "hard wallet" as if that means literally anything. It's just a digital version of the key written down in various ways, there's no such thing as a hard wallet or cold wallet or vault wallet or secure wallet or anything like that

A wallet that is a physical device means that the key isn't in memory on your computer so even if your computer is compromised via malware it can't get your key. They typically also require some physical interaction to sign anything sent to them. Of course you're now trusting the manufacturer of the hardware to implement everything securely.

Elysiume posted:

OP says they generated the wallet with a seed phrase (that they only ever wrote down in a journal they keep in a safe), so it's possible that an attacker was brute-forcing seed phrases, found one that was keyed to an active wallet, and just waited for an influx.

This is extraordinarily unlikely. You can do it yourself on keys.lol or with about thirty seconds of scripting but you need some insane luck. There are about 240M addresses that have ever been active (no idea how many of these are now empty) and the search space is 2¹⁶⁰ or 2¹³² if you only consider 12 word mnemonics.

novamute fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jul 30, 2023

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Elysiume posted:

It'd be like if someone stole your debit card and waited until payday to withdraw the money from your paycheck instead of stealing whatever was in your account at the time that they stole your debit card.

Doing this with debit cards would be so impractical. You'd have to be at an ATM all day with a stack of cards checking balances constantly because primitive banks don't publish a public ledger of everyone's transactions for anyone to read like the currency of the future does.

Bitcoin!

Talorat
Sep 18, 2007

Hahaha! Aw come on, I can't tell you everything right away! That would make for a boring story, don't you think?

Aramis posted:

Do you count regular distributed databases that engineers convinced upper management are "private blockchains"? 'Cause there's a lot of these.

There’s a quote that’s like “they’ve had two decades to come up with a use for block chains that isn’t scamming or gambling and they’ve gotten nowhere”

I’d argue the truly private coins like Monero represent at least SOME form of utility, but obviously their utility is almost entirely based in criminal behavior so regulators have every incentive to ban them outright.

coolusername
Aug 23, 2011

cooltitletext
https://twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/1682304530988535812?s=20

https://twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/1685192639384297473l

BBBY apes are going wild rn in r/bbby

Plan R
Oct 5, 2021

For Romeo
When does the Great Slurping begin? I've got money on this!

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.

novamute posted:

This is extraordinarily unlikely. You can do it yourself on keys.lol or with about thirty seconds of scripting but you need some insane luck. There are about 240M addresses that have ever been active (no idea how many of these are now empty) and the search space is 2¹⁶⁰ or 2¹³² if you only consider 12 word mnemonics.
Can't you generate the key from a seed phrase? People could pick a bad seed phrase just like they could pick a bad password, but I guess even bad seed phrases are still a large keyspace.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

90% chance his computer is compromised or he used a compromised utility at some point. Then they just waited for the goose to fatten.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009
Ah Crypto, as stable as ever.

https://twitter.com/WClementeIII/status/1685996984065208320
4 million percent gain and then rugpull. Even lower now..https://www.tradingview.com/x/jYRQHDp9/

Basically a 1 day luna.

notwithoutmyanus fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Jul 31, 2023

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


notwithoutmyanus posted:

Ah Crypto, as stable as ever.

https://twitter.com/WClementeIII/status/1685996984065208320
4 million percent gain and then rugpull. Even lower now..https://www.tradingview.com/x/jYRQHDp9/

Basically a 1 day luna.

yeah but imagine how stupid you'd feel if it hadn't been a scam and they all got rich

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Elysiume posted:

Can't you generate the key from a seed phrase? People could pick a bad seed phrase just like they could pick a bad password, but I guess even bad seed phrases are still a large keyspace.
There's bots continually scraping coins from the keys that match to correct horse battery staple or various lines from atlas shrugged.

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
Is there a running total of how much has been taken from the super obvious seed phrases? I feel like that's the kind of thing that already has a ticker page somewhere

Serious_Cyclone
Oct 25, 2017

I appreciate your patience, this is a tricky maneuver

notwithoutmyanus posted:

Ah Crypto, as stable as ever.

https://twitter.com/WClementeIII/status/1685996984065208320
4 million percent gain and then rugpull. Even lower now..https://www.tradingview.com/x/jYRQHDp9/

Basically a 1 day luna.

Are these prices in BTC or ETH or something? Or are people actually operating a market around 4 100ths of a cent?

SettingSun
Aug 10, 2013

Isn't it trivially easy to manipulate your market cap in the crypto space? Just mint a buttload of coins then sell one of them to set the price?

novamute
Jul 5, 2006

o o o

Serious_Cyclone posted:

Are these prices in BTC or ETH or something? Or are people actually operating a market around 4 100ths of a cent?

Yes that specifically is in units of WETH which is "wrapped" ETH that has been bridged from the Ethereum network

novamute
Jul 5, 2006

o o o

Sentient Data posted:

Is there a running total of how much has been taken from the super obvious seed phrases? I feel like that's the kind of thing that already has a ticker page somewhere

You don't generally pick the words yourself. There is a set list of valid words so you can't really just use a random sentence.

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burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

SettingSun posted:

Isn't it trivially easy to manipulate your market cap in the crypto space? Just mint a buttload of coins then sell one of them to set the price?

But wherever will you find someone to buy one of the coins? It's not like you can take out a giant loan, buy a coin from yourself for a stupid high price, and then return the loaned amount + $200 in just one transaction :ohdear:

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