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YOLOsubmarine posted:I doubt that. Demand for electric models has outstripped supply for several years now and will probably continue to for some time. Car sales may slow but EVs will still represent a growing percentage of new sales. https://www.axios.com/2023/07/10/unsold-electric-cars-are-piling-up-on-dealer-lots 92 days supply is a lot, and unless we see factories start getting idled right now that number is going to keep going up. The biggest impact on the EV market as a whole though is going to be if Tesla keeps building cars and how much incentive they put on already built stock. I've seen some new baser Model 3s going for $4k off sticker, which is wild compared to the last few years. Is Tesla going to put $10k on the hood of a Model 3 like Ford has done with F150s for decades?
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The unsold EVs are overpriced, HTH. It takes a while until dealerships understand this.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Tesla chat really brings the best/worst out of us. Depending on your state, Ford is offering to finance at, IIRC, 1.8%
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QuarkJets posted:You are overly focused on an irrelevant detail. If I go back and edit my posts will you stop weeping about poo poo that doesn't matter? Some other dude says they're just using the EPA estimate. You say that none of their cars have an EPA estimate that high so its fraud. Multiple people point out that you're wrong. You double down by saying you're just posting facts. When you're forced to admit that you're wrong you say that what you were wrong about is irrelevant. Just stop.
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A Tesla engineer said that the CEO told them to fudge the numbers in the software. I just want Tesla to change their software back, to stop fudging their numbers. I don't want any manufacturer to fudge their numbers. This shouldn't be a controversial or unfair opinion  I already edited the post with the incorrect (and irrelevant) detail. Can you stop riding Elon Musk's dick for a moment and think about whether it's a good or bad thing for manufacturers to fudge their numbers? QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jul 29, 2023 |
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I much prefer to drop in when this thread is weird, not a slapfight thats been going on for a day. Move on please
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I think we're coming up on a tipping point, where people watching their friends and coworkers drive EVs every day and not have any issues, and supply finally catching demand, which will lead to a lot more cheaper used EVs is going to start driving mass adoption. Also, didn't want to drill the ID.4's front bumper, so I bought this thing on Etsy.      Tried the high mount config first, didn't like it since it rubbed on the painted part of the bumper. Everything fits pretty good for a 3D printed chunk of plastic. Elviscat fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jul 29, 2023 |
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Elviscat posted:I think we're coming up on a tipping point, where people watching their friends and coworkers drive EVs every day and not have any issues, and supply finally catching demand, which will lead to a lot more cheaper used EVs is going to start driving mass adoption. I wish I had your optimism. Landlords, apartment buildings, and city streets severely lack the capacity for significant EV charging at the moment.
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Yeah, I've told a bunch of people curious about my EV that if they can't charge at home then don't get an EV. I also tell them I'm never going back to ICE because EVs with at home charging are so much more convenient for daily commuting.
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Hey guys I have a BMW X5 45e and I'm going to get a L2 charger installed in my garage. I don't really need it for every day driving but my garage has a dumb setup for wiring where the only plug I can use for the L1 charger can barely handle L1 charging amps and I don't want to burn my house down, so I may as well get it set up and future proof for my next vehicle which is likely to be a full EV. I was initially set on getting an Emporia or Grizzl-e wall box, but it seems the Tesla wall charger gets pretty good reviews and isn't super expensive, plus it can do up to 48a. So I'm thinking about doing a Tesla wall charger instead. Here are my considerations: The BMW maxes out at 9.6kw, so 48a isn't an advantage over 40a. It's just future proofing at this point. Tesla is only available as a hardwire. This isn't a huge deal for me presently as I don't have anything right now so I will need to install something anyway, but I'm also thinking of getting some extra outlets put in along my garage wall at the same time. The Tesla wallbox that's set up for the Tesla plug is essentially the same price as anything else, and I think I can get a Tesla to J1772 adaptor for maybe $50. Also, it's likely that the next vehicle will use a Tesla plug anyway. Thoughts? Should I get the Tesla charger or stick with my original plan of an Emporia or Grizzl-e?
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Go for the Tesla, imo. Nothing wrong with the other options though, as you pointed out NACS/J1772 adapters are common, going either way, and you'll want one for the car anyways.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:The unsold EVs are overpriced, HTH. Yea, the article explicitly calls out that vehicles that are either too expensive to receive tax credits or that don’t qualify due to being imported are the ones sitting the longest. Tesla’s price cuts and the relatively recent change to the tax credit regime coupled with supply chains starting to get fixed mean that a lot of these vehicles are simply mispriced now. People still want to buy EVs they just don’t want to pay Covid times prices for them.
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I have a lead foot and I still often get the EPA range.
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Get the Tesla HPWC, it is pretty much the least expensive L2 EVSE with its capabilities. Because Tesla offloads pretty much all the "smart" features like scheduling to the vehicle, the HPWC is inexpensive and robust because it is so simple. The only work it has to do is load balancing which isn't even relevant to a single unit install and is just using the standard J1772 signalling to make the vehicle do the work for it anyway.
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Costco had some wallbox chargers on sale last time I saw but i can’t remember how much they were going for (or how much the tesla ones sell for nowadays)
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Throatwarbler posted:Hey guys I have a BMW X5 45e and I'm going to get a L2 charger installed in my garage. I don't really need it for every day driving but my garage has a dumb setup for wiring where the only plug I can use for the L1 charger can barely handle L1 charging amps and I don't want to burn my house down, so I may as well get it set up and future proof for my next vehicle which is likely to be a full EV. I have a griz with a J1772 but my car is a Tesla how about you buy the Tesla charger and we swap
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Anecdotally, I enjoy my Emporia Charger, but I haven’t had it long enough to really speak to the reliability. I got one of their home energy monitors too which is very nifty.
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Unless I'm misunderstanding, next year, the 3750/7500 credit will be baked in at purchase of a car instead of waiting until tax time. Maybe some people are also waiting for that too.
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Throatwarbler posted:Hey guys I have a BMW X5 45e and I'm going to get a L2 charger installed in my garage. I don't really need it for every day driving but my garage has a dumb setup for wiring where the only plug I can use for the L1 charger can barely handle L1 charging amps and I don't want to burn my house down, so I may as well get it set up and future proof for my next vehicle which is likely to be a full EV. I don't know anything about the other two, but I've seen a spat of bad reviews recently from people with Grizzl-e chargers failing after a year or two. If your car can't use more than 40A anyway, my personal preference would be to get a new 14-50 socket installed and then buy a charger that plugs into that. Hard wiring for only 40A seems like you're getting the worst of both worlds
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If outside gets too hot your Tesla will auto drive into the pool https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvTIm3oNbEL I mean can’t blame it, 110 is hot AF. Russian Bear fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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QuarkJets posted:I don't know anything about the other two, but I've seen a spat of bad reviews recently from people with Grizzl-e chargers failing after a year or two. It's pretty trivial to swap a hardwired charger, or to swap in a 14-50 later, as long as the wiring's there. Russian Bear posted:If outside gets too hot your Tesla will auto drive into the pool "Ingenious self-cooling feature!"
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Fake news, everyone knows as soon as your Tezler battery gets wet it erupts in a nuclear meltdown
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How do you guys decide what mode to drive your cars in? Today my partner said that our Kona accelerates like poo poo compared to Teslas. But that’s almost definitely because we ride exclusively in eco mode. I can’t imagine a scenario where I’d opt for normal or sport mode and lose a few miles of range.
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I like getting onto a freeway at speed whenever I like.
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QuarkJets posted:I don't know anything about the other two, but I've seen a spat of bad reviews recently from people with Grizzl-e chargers failing after a year or two. If I were to hardwire it would be for 48a, with the thicker gauge wiring and 60a breaker. Seems like the Tesla charger is the way to go, but I still feel a bit weird getting a new charger that doesn't have the right connector for the car and then having to immediately use a Tesla to j1776 adapter which is weirdly super expensive. I'm not going to get a J1776 tesla charger because those are more expensive and there's no point if everyone is going to tesla anyway.
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Vegetable posted:How do you guys decide what mode to drive your cars in? Today my partner said that our Kona accelerates like poo poo compared to Teslas. But that’s almost definitely because we ride exclusively in eco mode. I can’t imagine a scenario where I’d opt for normal or sport mode and lose a few miles of range. Could also be because the Kona has either 133 or 201 hp depending on trim and a Model 3 LR has 350+.
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Vegetable posted:How do you guys decide what mode to drive your cars in? Today my partner said that our Kona accelerates like poo poo compared to Teslas. But that’s almost definitely because we ride exclusively in eco mode. I can’t imagine a scenario where I’d opt for normal or sport mode and lose a few miles of range. lmao
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Vegetable posted:How do you guys decide what mode to drive your cars in? Today my partner said that our Kona accelerates like poo poo compared to Teslas. But that’s almost definitely because we ride exclusively in eco mode. I can’t imagine a scenario where I’d opt for normal or sport mode and lose a few miles of range. I put my Kona into whatever the fastest-sounding mode was called and it still accelerates like poo poo compared to any other EV I've ridden in. It accelerates faster than a typical 4-cylinder ICE but not by much If I'm going on a long road trip I might put it into eco mode, but I usually don't even bother doing that.
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I drive in chill 95% of the time, it makes it easier to feather the pedal for comfort. I only turn off chill when I'm going on a road trip and might want passing oomph
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I came here to discuss my love of the electric motor, but so far all I'm seeing is a slap fight. I'll try again in a couple of weeks.
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What current vehicles can take advantage of 48a L2 charging?
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Throatwarbler posted:What current vehicles can take advantage of 48a L2 charging? 2019 model S/x, Lightning, hummer Edit: rivians, lucid????
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Porsches have an option to go up to 80A charging if I recall correctly.
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Throatwarbler posted:What current vehicles can take advantage of 48a L2 charging? Polestar 2 and Rivian, at least
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eGMP vehicles are about 45 amps I believe. 10.9kW
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Throatwarbler posted:What current vehicles can take advantage of 48a L2 charging? Ioniq 5, although apparently not necessarily for several hours, you might get throttled from overheating.
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Throatwarbler posted:What current vehicles can take advantage of 48a L2 charging? Most 2023 stellantis cars can go 11kw AC, Renault-Nissan alliance can usually go 22kw AC.
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SlowBloke posted:Most 2023 stellantis cars can go 11kw AC, Renault-Nissan alliance can usually go 22kw AC. The Ariya is 11kW and the Leaf 6.6 (or lower, Japanese ones are still 3.6 or something)
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dissss posted:The Ariya is 11kW and the Leaf 6.6 (or lower, Japanese ones are still 3.6 or something) Ariya is 22kW in Europe, I would guess they didn't add the three phase part on the US bound units.
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Throatwarbler posted:What current vehicles can take advantage of 48a L2 charging? The (2022+, I think?) Chevy Bolt, of all fuckin' things.
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