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HonorableTB posted:fake news about the bridge?? The bridge is fine. Everything is fine. Even during the bombing the Crimean holidayers are enjoying themselves. *Three seconds later* And there are beds available for long term stays if the vacationers wish.
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Jul 30, 2023 06:01
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The bridge is fine. Everything is fine. Even during the bombing the Crimean holidayers are enjoying themselves. oh i just misunderstood you, nevermind!
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Jul 30, 2023 06:01
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Autisanal Cheese posted:Igor Sushko is the definition of [citation needed], even more than wherever Gigolo gets his stuff. lol yeah it did seem like that. supposedly the source are leaked FSB letters?? but you have to sub to look at them.
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Jul 30, 2023 06:17
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appropriatemetaphor posted:lol yeah it did seem like that. supposedly the source are leaked FSB letters?? but you have to sub to look at them. the fsb letters are the aforementioned clancy fanfiction i brought up earlier
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Jul 30, 2023 06:18
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Dandywalken posted:fragments found in the wreckage had the letters "H" "R" and "C".... Concerning!  Willo567 posted:I don't know why you all think it's a false flag when recently when there's a horrific attack on Ukraine and Zelensky vows retaliation, there's a drone attack on Moscow. Also, what building did they hit? I don't really claim to know or even have a best guess one way or another, but given that 1) it's hundreds of km from Ukraine to Moscow 2) I assume it's difficult to smuggle those drones into the vicinity of Moscow 3) Russia has done false flags before to drum up war sentiment, it's not completely out of left field.
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Jul 30, 2023 06:28
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HonorableTB posted:the fsb letters are the aforementioned clancy fanfiction i brought up earlier hunter's laptop chock full of FSB letters that *they* don't want you to read
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Jul 30, 2023 06:28
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appropriatemetaphor posted:hunter's laptop chock full of FSB letters that *they* don't want you to read surprising amount of FSB communiques regarding hunter's hog. then again,
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Jul 30, 2023 06:33
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ROJO posted:Is it odd to anyone else that only a single floor of windows appears blown out? I would expect an external drone strike of the size shown in the video to affect multiple floors and be more centralized vs. strung out laterally. no jet fuel.
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Jul 30, 2023 06:39
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tiaz posted:Concerning! before these drone strikes ukraine had been talking about its own long range drones that they developed themselves. The UJ-22 has a range of 800 km / 500 miles. That's close enough to hit from Kharkiv https://www.militarytoday.com/aircraft/uj_22.htm It can carry 20kg of ordnance too, which accounts for the relatively small explosion
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Jul 30, 2023 06:43
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HonorableTB posted:before these drone strikes ukraine had been talking about its own long range drones that they developed themselves. The UJ-22 has a range of 800 km / 500 miles. That's close enough to hit from Kharkiv Yeah, it's just a long hostile distance to cross on a lovely 2cyl or whatever that's slow for efficiency. Fumble posted:no jet fuel. Ha ha! 100 Low Lead supremacy strikes again! I hate 100LL 
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Jul 30, 2023 06:45
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tiaz posted:Yeah, it's just a long hostile distance to cross on a lovely 2cyl or whatever that's slow for efficiency. lots of russian anti-air is destroyed, most of the rest is at the front, what isn't is clustered around the kremlin so there's not much left to destroy it with, and that's assuming they even detected it in the first place because there were no sirens, no AA fire, and by the reactions the detonation was a sudden surprise e: also, remember those crashed drones near moscow that were reported recently? those were UJ-22s as well. The drones weren't shot down by AA either HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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Jul 30, 2023 06:46
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HonorableTB posted:lots of russian anti-air is destroyed, most of the rest is at the front, what isn't is clustered around the kremlin so there's not much left to destroy it with, and that's assuming they even detected it in the first place because there were no sirens, no AA fire, and by the reactions the detonation was a sudden surprise alright, you've convinced me, I believe Ukrainian domestic launch and clever routing is the most plausible explanation now 
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Jul 30, 2023 06:52
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The urge to call a false flag when it comes to russia is never a wrong thing really, they do it or try to do it so often that it's usually just smart to assume it is until someone posts enough evidence to provide a better explanation
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Jul 30, 2023 06:55
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It rules that the best counter argument to "why would Russia do something that would make them look weak and stupid ?" is "they're _very_ stupid"
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Jul 30, 2023 07:16
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Did something happen in Ukraine/Russia or just something happen in the thread?
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Jul 30, 2023 07:20
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Nooner posted:Did something happen in Ukraine/Russia or just something happen in the thread? drones blew some poo poo up in moscow
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Jul 30, 2023 07:20
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and maybe a bridge
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Jul 30, 2023 07:21
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When the gently caress are we gonna give Ukraine another Patriot or two for Odesa?
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Jul 30, 2023 07:25
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Those bridges got loving rekt.
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Jul 30, 2023 07:29
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What is this, a 9/11 for ants?
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Jul 30, 2023 07:45
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HonorableTB posted:sushko writes very good clancy fanfiction how to tell something on 1. they have a blue checkmark 2. they are posting on
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Jul 30, 2023 07:48
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Arc Hammer posted:Maybe I'm just predisposed to be suspicious but I'm wondering why there's always a handheld camera set up to catch these super close drone strikes in Russia. I can't help but feel there's a difference between these videos of a drone suddenly appearing and going boom and that horrifying video from last year where that ukrainian family filmed a sukhoi slamming a dud missile into their apartment building. Yeah they would need somewhere to plug their telecine in and time to develop the film it's v implausible
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Jul 30, 2023 07:53
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Willo567 posted:When the gently caress are we gonna give Ukraine another Patriot or two for Odesa? Patriot batteries are basically bespoke items. Full up NATO allies have single-digit systems. The US has maybe dozens. Czechia had one. They gave it to Ukraine in exchange for someone's spare S-400 battery, which was very generous of them.
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Jul 30, 2023 07:57
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Rust Martialis posted:and maybe a bridge Surprised there hasn't been more said about it beyond one or two tweets, but traffic has been stationary on the Russian side since last night. Google says traffic is typically light all the time beyond a rush hour blip so something is definitely up there. 
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Jul 30, 2023 07:59
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mllaneza posted:Patriot batteries are basically bespoke items. Full up NATO allies have single-digit systems. The US has maybe dozens. Czechia had one. They gave it to Ukraine in exchange for someone's spare S-400 battery, which was very generous of them. I'd be very surprised if Czechia were to suddenly start fielding S-400s in the middle of Europe.
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Jul 30, 2023 08:01
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IiRC they put together that Patriot for Ukraine from Dutch and German donations of launchers and radars. Only Erdogan was dumb enough to get an S-400. Anyway its been long enough that I'm sure they could've scraped together another battery if they wanted by now.
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Jul 30, 2023 08:16
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Yeah I don't think Ukraine ever got an S-400, they were well in conflict with Russia by the time those came available to foreign countries. Must've been an S-300.
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Jul 30, 2023 08:23
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Ok, I misremembered some details. They may have been important ones.
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Jul 30, 2023 08:24
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Putin is interested in being seen as having control of the war and protecting the motherland, while Ukraine is interested in attacking long range targets, getting experience doing it to get more effective to hit more valuable targets, forcing Russia to put air defence systems away from the front, and many more. Putin doesn't need a "false flag" to do anything, he does whatever he wants and can make poo poo up on propaganda TV without having hugely embarrassing explosions in Moscow. Please just stop with the false flag thing In other news, Motherland will gently caress you over always, exhibit #42069 https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1685531165686456325
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Jul 30, 2023 08:38
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Nooner posted:Did something happen in Ukraine/Russia or just something happen in the thread? Well you see, a long, long time ago there was a president. He was an okay presednt. There have been better, there have been worse. This one was just fine. Anyway, as stories like this go, there was a fair princess. She grew up to be queen and one day would herself take the throne of the kingdom. But then, an orange knight appeared to challenge the queen....
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Jul 30, 2023 08:43
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Pictured: Russian army coaxing building contractor into job site 
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Jul 30, 2023 08:47
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ded posted:how to tell something on That was always true. Even before Musk
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Jul 30, 2023 09:23
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These drones they keep filming have limited range. Theyre all quadrotor designs which simply do not have the range to be launched from hundreds of miles away. While it might ultimately be Ukraine army arming them, my money is on local anti government operators, perhaps even Ukrainians forcibly relocated into Russia. While russia is dumb as a brick and their internal security is trash I find it hard to believe that the secret services just drove a truck of explosives and drones from ukraine to 10 miles outside moscow without being stopped or spotted.
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Jul 30, 2023 09:41
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It's an interesting comparison if you look at the long range strikes carried out by both sides (assuming Ukraine did the drone attack. Russia hits malls, hospitals, schools... Basically anything it can with a rocket aside from military targets. Ukraine flies a drone 1000km into the heart of the capital and blows up one office on a specific floor of a specific high rise building at night.
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Jul 30, 2023 09:43
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Put the drones and explosives in crates labelled as if they were vodka. Load them first, then fill the truck with actual vodka. Give a case or two to anyone who looks like they might actually look in the back. Have plenty of cash and you can get that truck from Minsk to Vladivostok without a serious inspection.
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Jul 30, 2023 09:45
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ROJO posted:Is it odd to anyone else that only a single floor of windows appears blown out? I would expect an external drone strike of the size shown in the video to affect multiple floors and be more centralized vs. strung out laterally. Makes sense if the drone penetrated the building before going boom instead of exploding outside of it. The internal floors would have kept the blast largely contained to the floor it entered.
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Jul 30, 2023 09:53
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Drone_Fragger posted:These drones they keep filming have limited range. Theyre all quadrotor designs which simply do not have the range to be launched from hundreds of miles away. The quadrocopter drones at the front line are not the same as the long range fixed wing drones being launched at targets hundreds of miles away
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Jul 30, 2023 09:54
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Drone_Fragger posted:While russia is dumb as a brick and their internal security is trash I find it hard to believe that the secret services just drove a truck of explosives and drones from ukraine to 10 miles outside moscow without being stopped or spotted. You can't realistically secure the Russian border to prevent smuggling. You might have to send it on a circuitous route through the Caucasus or even Kazakhstan but if someone with the resources of a nationstate behind them wants to get something into Russia then it's getting in.
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Jul 30, 2023 09:55
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1685550092550361088
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Herbicidal Maniac posted:Ukraine flies a drone 1000km into the heart of the capital and blows up one office on a specific floor of a specific high rise building at night. I don't think they targeted specific office on a specific floor, footage from the damaged office shows some regular open space office, but that government building was probably the intended target.
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