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I borrowed a book of short stories by Kurt Vonnegut from the library and one of them, "Welcome to the Monkey House," made me so angry, I never want to read anything by Kurt Vonnegut again, even though I liked "Cat's Cradle" and "Slaughterhouse 5" in the past. How did this short story get republished? They even named the short story collection after it! It basically argues that corrective rape of women is natural and good for them, actually . It's so gross.
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Nebrilos posted:I borrowed a book of short stories by Kurt Vonnegut from the library and one of them, "Welcome to the Monkey House," made me so angry, I never want to read anything by Kurt Vonnegut again, even though I liked "Cat's Cradle" and "Slaughterhouse 5" in the past. How did this short story get republished? They even named the short story collection after it! It basically argues that corrective rape of women is natural and good for them, actually . It's so gross. yea its trash. im not gonna defend it "it was the time" etc, its poo poo garbage. i do like slaughterhouse v and mother night.
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Jul 29, 2023 02:25
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Breakfast of Champions is the goat
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3D Megadoodoo posted:The more Le Carré I read, the more I think: "this guy really wished he was Graham Greene (or, possibly, Vladimir Volkoff)". They're fine, and I could obviously be wrong, but still. Greene definitely occupied some mental space in Cornwell's brain, going by the book of his collected letters that came out recently.
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Jul 29, 2023 13:09
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I liked this quote from BEE https://twitter.com/petersavodnik/status/1617192520794124288?t=1B7vUUfRvBfcEZZmBvk-zQ&s=19
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Today my contractor finally finished the set of built-in bookshelves I was looking forward to using to store my recently-finished collection of the entire World of Darkness, along with all my other RPGs. Aside from everything else, I really wanted to get all the books out of the spare bedroom so I could go in there again. The shelves broke under the weight, with the wood the pins were stuck into giving way and causing all of them to collapse onto the shelves beneath them, causing quite a bit of damage to the books. I'm extremely upset. My contractor thinks that this can be fixed by using l-shaped pins instead of plain ones, and maybe drilling some new holes, but I'm skeptical. Is this a sign that the wood just isn't strong enough? I don't know.
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These shelves are supported just with dowels? I'm not a woodworker, just someone who has done a decent amount of home reno and projects, but I'd never use dowels alone to support bookshelves. The cheap but easy / reliable way to do it is to install Pilaster strips on each side and use metal clips to hold up the shelf. That's how my house's built-ins in the living room are. Pros are that they're sturdy, cheap and easy to set up, and adjustable. It's not as attractive as all-wood joinery I suppose but it's easy, reliable, and completely fine unless you're like a 1%er who really can't tolerate metal strips on your bookshelves. regulargonzalez fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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Jul 30, 2023 03:07
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Seriouspost: If someone builds a bookshelf that doesn't hold the weight of books, they don't know how to build bookshelves, so don't ask them how to fix one.
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Jul 30, 2023 07:48
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I've built my own bookshelves, but I use a router to cut slots to fit the shelves into the sides rather than using pins/brackets to support them. They're not adjustable, but it's more solid than using pins to hold them up. If it's the pins that broke or pulled out, the fault is probably in the design of the supports, not the strength of the wood.
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Jul 30, 2023 17:12
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The pins slid out of the wood, so this morning we agreed to cut down the shelves to make space for l-shaped pins, which should have been how it was from the beginning, and I also insisted on adding a strip of wood at the back under each shelf that can be attached to the wall studs, which I hope is going to be enough. Seriously, though, a shelf this long full of Chronicles of Darkness hardbooks is gonna have something close to 100 pounds on each one, so please let me know if you think I need more.
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Jul 30, 2023 17:36
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"Here's a $20, standardized solution that will 100% work" "The random handyman whose initial nonstandard solution failed, proposed another nonstandard solution that I'm gonna go with"  You do you man.
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regulargonzalez posted:"Here's a $20, standardized solution that will 100% work" You should probably check, like, youtube, dude. Among other things, try supporting the front edge of the shelves not just the back.
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Jul 30, 2023 18:00
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It would be unironically wonderful if people would explain the mechanics of this in detail to give me some ammunition, because I had to spend an hour arguing this morning just to be allowed to do the wooden strip thing.
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Jul 30, 2023 18:02
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any recommendations on grief / dealing with it?
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Jul 30, 2023 18:14
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escape artist posted:any recommendations on grief / dealing with it? The Year of Magical Thinking is the definitive book on grief IMO. Might be too close for comfort if you’re not asking out of curiosity but actually need to deal with personal grief right now.
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escape artist posted:any recommendations on grief / dealing with it? I really liked The Year of Magical Thinking back when I read it. Edit: lol
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Rand Brittain posted:It would be unironically wonderful if people would explain the mechanics of this in detail to give me some ammunition, because I had to spend an hour arguing this morning just to be allowed to do the wooden strip thing. The mechanics of Pilaster strips are that steel is stronger than wood You're the one paying, right? You don't need to justify what you want, just say that's what you want. Or spend $25 and 30 minutes to install the strips yourself. Pick up 4 of these bad boys per shelving area https://www.lowes.com/pd/Style-Selections-72-in-White-Pilaster-Strip/3006365 and a pack of the metal clips that will be right next to them in the store and you're good to go. If you're going to have 100 lbs per shelf make sure you get the heavy duty pegs regulargonzalez fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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Jul 30, 2023 18:31
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:The Year of Magical Thinking is the definitive book on grief IMO. Might be too close for comfort if you’re not asking out of curiosity but actually need to deal with personal grief right now. I need something that will immediately help me deal with personal grief
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Rand Brittain posted:It would be unironically wonderful if people would explain the mechanics of this in detail to give me some ammunition, because I had to spend an hour arguing this morning just to be allowed to do the wooden strip thing. Not trying to dunk on you unduly it's just . . . like, carpentry is a thing you can look up on youtube. If you posted some photos or something I could try to give you some pointers but there are a few different things that could be wrong. Are the shelves cantilevered and only supported from the back, or are there supports in front too? Are there intermediary supports every however often down the shelving or did he try to build stuff completely freestanding? What wood did he use? How thick are the shelving planks? There are several different ways to prevent the problem you're describing (more supports, stronger shelving, thicker shelving, etc.) and it sounds like there was a failure on multiple points.
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Let's see. I apologize for being discombobulated; I've been waiting on these shelves all week, and then after finally being able to start putting my books back up and getting them off the floor, they collapse on me, damaging a lot of valuable books, and on top of that my dog has been sick all day, so I am not operating on all my cylinders. Honestly, just getting confirmation that people who know a lot about books think more support is needing would probably be helpful to me. This is what the bookcase looks like right now, with the old pins taken out and replaced and the shelves awaiting being sawed down a bit to fit:  This is what the holes looked like after the shelves collapsed:  Here are the shelves lying off to the side (they're 3/4" plywood):  Here is a close-up of the holes: 
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OK, yeah, sorry. If there's incompetence there it's beyond my expertise to spot it. Possibly the little metal shelf support dowels were too short and thus just slipped out / didn't give enough support? Maybe a third row of support holes and dowels in the middle? Hope your doggy feels better ASAP! Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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Jul 30, 2023 19:21
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Looks like it just gouged down the side, what the gently caress? What's the pin hole on the other side look like? How the hell does this happen without tearing the wood, these middle parts are plywood too, right? That should be strong enough. Weird. DIY will surely have a wood working thread who knows.
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Why would the shelves have to be changed at all? Check that one that's all hosed up -- there's like 3 that have damage. I dunno, something isn't right but I'm not sure what E: those metal brackets are damaged too, one's in the wrong socket but they're all bent up e2: maybe it's the right socket, they seem to all line up correctly could just be from me looking at the pic wrong SniperWoreConverse fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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Rand Brittain posted:Honestly, just getting confirmation that people who know a lot about books think more support is needing would probably be helpful to me. I work in residential construction and specify cabinetry regularly. I also own around 1k books and related shelving. There aren't any obvious flaws with the cabinetry you've described/shown. I assume the sides of the cabinetry are also plywood. I'm having a hard time visualizing the original pin (specifically, how it could drag down the side of the cabinet creating a groove while failing, without just falling away entirely from the load). I typically specify a reinforced edge on any shelving wider than 33 inches. I typically specify a lock mitre: https://www.popularwoodworking.com/projects/lock-miters/ It looks like you have a standard mitre, but there could be a detail I'm not seeing and perhaps your shelves are under 33 inches. In any case, if there's an issue you'll notice it pretty quickly (the shelf will bend when fully loaded). I also specify bookcases with backs and one solid shelf (when they exceed 60 inches in height) roughly in the center to create a more rigid frame. Your carpenter may have attached everything to studs which would accomplish the same thing. If you push on the side walls in the center and they bend in or out, ask for them to be attached to studs around the midpoint to prevent this. There is nothing wrong with your carpenter's method, I typically need pre-built items for faster install but site-built is a fine solution. Just pointing out that there is an additional 'failure' method with site built cabinets without backs/solid shelves that has to be kept in mind.
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Why would the shelves have to be changed at all? They need a little bit of length shaved off to accomodate the thicker L-pegs. quote:E: those metal brackets are damaged too, one's in the wrong socket but they're all bent up These are new, so if they're damaged there's a serious problem. I agree that figuring out which ones are next to each other in the moment is harder than it looks.
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In the last pic the back bottom pin is already falling out. I don't think they're actually bent out of angle, can't really tell, but that sucker is not all the way in its socket
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Tezer posted:I work in residential construction and specify cabinetry regularly. I also own around 1k books and related shelving. Yeah this makes sense, if the walls aren't attached and can bow sideways that might explain why the pin sorta dragged down without ripping the wood
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Tezer posted:There aren't any obvious flaws with the cabinetry you've described/shown. I assume the sides of the cabinetry are also plywood. I'm having a hard time visualizing the original pin (specifically, how it could drag down the side of the cabinet creating a groove while failing, without just falling away entirely from the load). This is what they looked like after the shelves fell:  quote:I also specify bookcases with backs and one solid shelf (when they exceed 60 inches in height) roughly in the center to create a more rigid frame. Your carpenter may have attached everything to studs which would accomplish the same thing. If you push on the side walls in the center and they bend in or out, ask for them to be attached to studs around the midpoint to prevent this. The shelf actually does have a back, which is attached to the wall studs in four locations at the top and in four locations at the bottom. It looks like it isn't because the light switch has been brought forward via an extension box, which I wish they hadn't done and I'm looking to get it either removed and covered with a flat panel or replaced with a flat switch or one that's recessed somehow. quote:There is nothing wrong with your carpenter's method, I typically need pre-built items for faster install but site-built is a fine solution. Just pointing out that there is an additional 'failure' method with site built cabinets without backs/solid shelves that has to be kept in mind. So, do you think it should work as it is with the new clips and maybe a replacement hole or two drilled, or should I still get the support strip of wood at the back under each shelf, or should I go all the way and ask for the pilaster that was suggested?
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Rand Brittain posted:This is what they looked like after the shelves fell: That's a pretty odd way for them to fail. My two best guesses are: (1) the walls are fiberboard not plywood (but even this wouldn't CAUSE the failure necessarily) and (2) the pin wasn't inserted properly/the shelf was set on the 'hilt' of the pin instead of the flat and it wiggled out while you were loading it. Guess number two is the one that seems more likely. I use those same pins and haven't ever had a problem - except when I don't seat the shelf properly. They even make a version with a 'stop' that digs into the shelf to stop the pin from moving - helps illustrate that it's an issue: https://www.richelieu.com/us/en/cat...63/sku-12352180 I sometimes use these sleeves (not always visually appropriate). I have them on my shelving at home. They help prevent failing to insert the pin properly, because once the sleeve is installed the pin slides in neatly. When you're inserting the pin into plywood/fiberboard it's easy to fail to seat it right because it usually will encounter some friction during insertion. This is because the holes are typically drilled pretty tight to avoid the pins slipping, and then paint application can make them too tight. https://www.richelieu.com/us/en/category/furniture-equipment/furniture-shelf-pins/metal-shelf-pin/metal-shelf-pin-sleeve/1051846/sku-326ANO quote:The shelf actually does have a back, which is attached to the wall studs in four locations at the top and in four locations at the bottom. It looks like it isn't because the light switch has been brought forward via an extension box, which I wish they hadn't done and I'm looking to get it either removed and covered with a flat panel or replaced with a flat switch or one that's recessed somehow. They did this right, extending the box into the cabinet is how it should be done. If you need to keep the switch but want it 'flat-ish' you can install a 'tamper resistant' switch that uses a key to operate - they are pretty flat: https://www.leviton.com/en/products/m1201-il I thought it was site-built because of that strip at the top where you see a couple of screws. That's a detail I typically see on site-built cabinetry. quote:So, do you think it should work as it is with the new clips and maybe a replacement hole or two drilled, or should I still get the support strip of wood at the back under each shelf, or should I go all the way and ask for the pilaster that was suggested? Hard to say - I would probably load a test shelf near the bottom, keeping a close eye on the pins while you do so, and see what happens. You shouldn't need the strip along the back, but perhaps there's some aspect of your install that will require it for stability that isn't obvious over the internet. I usually see the shelves start to fail (bend) well before I see any pin movement, if you aren't seeing any shelf bending but the pins are failing that's pretty unusual.
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Were the original shelves using the silver brackets/pins instead of the gold, heavier duty ones that you have in the first set of pictures? From the gouge, it looks like the whole bracket got worked out. Could be the pin in the back of bracket was not very long, or for some reason the pin compressed the edge of the hole so it could work out, or the hole was just too large so the pin could tilt and slip out. escape artist posted:I need something that will immediately help me deal with personal grief I wish I had a recommendation for you, good luck.
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What are the vertical planks made from? They look like fiberboard from what I can see in those pictures. If they're not proper plywood like the shelves, they may simply not be strong enough for the weight you're wanting to put on them
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StumblyWumbly posted:I wish I had a recommendation for you, good luck. Thank you. Something about people dealing with the death of a parent would be nice. No, no Jennette McCurdy please 
Help a goon out! Lots of books - horror, nonfiction, classics and more for sale. escape artist fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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escape artist posted:Thank you. *sigh* Lost my father yesterday This is always a terrible thing to happen, and I hate that my cabinetry is in danger of overshadowing it. I wish I had a good recommendation, although in truth, the healing power of time is the only thing that really eases that pain, although being near other people helps. StumblyWumbly posted:Were the original shelves using the silver brackets/pins instead of the gold, heavier duty ones that you have in the first set of pictures? Yeah, it looks like this is probably what happened. CommonShore posted:What are the vertical planks made from? They look like fiberboard from what I can see in those pictures. If they're not proper plywood like the shelves, they may simply not be strong enough for the weight you're wanting to put on them I'm assured that they're all 3/4" plywood. Tezer posted:They did this right, extending the box into the cabinet is how it should be done. If you need to keep the switch but want it 'flat-ish' you can install a 'tamper resistant' switch that uses a key to operate - they are pretty flat: Well, I don't really need to keep it, because there's an identical switch that actually has a dimmer like six feet away. Still, the keyed switch is an option that might be easier for someone to install. Thanks to everybody for the advice! It looks like the additional strip may not be necessary but I may still go forward with it for the sake of a little extra piece of mind.
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escape artist posted:Thank you. Zen Master Thich Nhat Hahn has written a book entitled "How To Live When A Loved One Dies", I find his teachings quite comforting and accessible. If you are concerned about the Buddhist thing, I'm an atheist and still do many of his mindfulness meditations, which I find help me a great deal There are loads of his talks available on youtube as well for immediate comfort. Sorry for your loss
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Bilirubin posted:Zen Master Thich Nhat Hahn has written a book entitled "How To Live When A Loved One Dies", I find his teachings quite comforting and accessible. If you are concerned about the Buddhist thing, I'm an atheist and still do many of his mindfulness meditations, which I find help me a great deal I actually adore Thich Nhat Hahn but didn't know of this title, so thank you for the recommendation and for the condolence
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escape artist posted:I actually adore Thich Nhat Hahn but didn't know of this title, so thank you for the recommendation and for the condolence I'm glad the recommendation meets with your approval. There is another companion volume on this topic as well: https://www.amazon.ca/No-Death-Fear...s=books&sr=1-18 Again, very sorry for you, but I hope their memory can bring you peace and comfort
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My condolences escape artist. Glad to see that another goon was able to recommend a book more appropriate to your current situation.
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Appreciate y'all edit: I somehow stumbled on Matthew Lyons' A Black and Endless Sky. I read a teaser about there being an ancient door in the desert, and that was enough to get me in. It's okay so far. escape artist fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Aug 2, 2023 |
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For those of you that aren't History Book Thread regulars, reposting this request from a teacher:Grem posted:Hello history book thread! Wow this is my third oldest bookmark, behind my mortgage and energy payments page.
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Yep, that aligns with how I perceive the US.
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