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Dexo posted:Prooobably, if only for an audition for another team. googling says no time table so idk i realize the tier thing is aggregated talent opinion nonsense but if i had to draft a qb to play for my team this season i would go through every healthy qb before i considered him like i fully recognize my team's qb, tannehill, is squarely a kirk cousins rear end qb, and tier 3 is probably appropriate since he depends on a run game, but gimme a break on some of these dudes. also yeah mahomes should be in a higher class than currently injured joe burrow, josh allen or the ghost of aaron rodgers
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Dexo posted:Prooobably, if only for an audition for another team. That seems way too optimistic Kyler blew his knee out in December and he does not seem as an elite rehabber type
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Murray is good, but not great. The entire team around him was horrible though.
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bows1 posted:I guess true about Love but just because hes an unknown doesnt mean that he automatically jumps above those guys. He could really suck and flame out too... A boat's a boat, but the mystery box could be anything!
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Dexo posted:Prooobably, if only for an audition for another team. I don't think there's anything concrete out there. He got hurt very late in the year. You can certainly argue that they SHOULDN'T play him and tank for Caleb Williams, maybe roll him out there the last couple weeks with the #1 pick locked up to audition for a trade. But that also assumes 1) you can move him and his huge rear end contract, and 2) that a team will willingly and completely tank. The coaches and players just want to win games, see the Texans last year lmbo. Dexo posted:The Bucs are a pretty decent situation. But their quarterbacks are rear end. shirts and skins posted:The Geno blurb was basically, "this is one of the biggest year to year jumps we've measured; he needs to do it for more than one year to be tier 2." Which I think is fair. The hopium case for the Bucs is that they hired "the QB coach who fixed Geno" as their OC. The reality case is that if the dude can consistently turn scrap heap vets into top 10 performers he is a magical unicorn who teams should be paying the $30 mil a year they're saving on quarterbacks
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Kyler is acting like he's starting week 1. He will probably start week 4. He's very reliant on athleticism and his line won't protect him from interior pass rush. That's why he rolls out every play. His deep ball is pretty good. He can't throw short routes. I think it's less drastic than with say Justin Fields, but Murray has been in the league longer. It's partially because he's been stuck in the Kliff experiment
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There isn't anyone in that Tier 3 list aside from Daniel Jones where I would go "yeah give me Jordan Love" instead
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Kyler's quality on field is correlated to the distance in time since the release of the latest call of duty type game.
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It seems like most teams oscillate between hardasses and player-friendly coaches to try to correct for the previous coach's failings.
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Did Gannon get rid of the pingpong table? The Xbox in the break room?
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All boomboxes need to be tuned to classic rock and no higher than 3 on the volume knob All players get a max of two water breaks per day First place in conditioning drill gets the starting job. Second place gets a set of steak knives. Third place is you're loving fired.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Did Gannon get rid of the pingpong table? The Xbox in the break room? See that's why Kyler wants out Gannon should be trying to run Phoenix on Coughlin Time, I'm sure that's why they were bad last year
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Forrest on Fire posted:Kyler is acting like he's starting week 1. He doesn't have to roll out every play, that's a specific offense ran in Oklahoma for Baker and Kyler that Kliff brought to the NFL. If you run mesh and have an athletic QB the passing window opens up more if your QB can roll out to the side of the field he wants to throw to. Baker's career fell off a cliff when he got a ton of injuries and started taking more hits doing his rollout thing which is a cause of concern for Kyler.
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Doltos posted:He doesn't have to roll out every play, that's a specific offense ran in Oklahoma for Baker and Kyler that Kliff brought to the NFL. If you run mesh and have an athletic QB the passing window opens up more if your QB can roll out to the side of the field he wants to throw to. Baker's career fell off a cliff when he got a ton of injuries and started taking more hits doing his rollout thing which is a cause of concern for Kyler. This is the type of offense the Bucs are installing (from Seattle) so I guess the goal here is to finish Baker off completely.
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joe football posted:That quote from some NFL man really excited for mahomes to play like an old man is gross Mahomes and old men - letting their balls hang out in the air
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kiimo posted:Also Zach Moss broke his arm Maybe a little but they drafted Evan Hull and Deon Jackson did well last year. I don't think it moves the needle much
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mcmagic posted:The Colts can play as hardball with Taylor as they want it seems. He really has no recourse. Yep. Even if Taylor's great this year? They just franchise him and offer him an insulting deal that's just the FT + garbage. He's got no leverage, the Colts will control him until he's almost certainly busted and lucky to get $4m a year.
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Update on Tim Patrick, Payton says it's an Achilles injury. Awful luck for that guy.
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King Hong Kong posted:That interview was pure apologia for Wilson and you should re-read it. The reason, according to Payton, he was bad was the bad coaching and the “20 dirty hands” not that he himself had “hit the wall.” Likewise, he explicitly blamed everyone else (and specifically not Wilson) for deferring to Wilson’s use of personal trainers, which is laughable. “It wasn’t just Russell.” “But everybody’s got a little stink on their hands. It’s not just Russell.” He’s literally saying that Wilson sucked but there was also plenty of suck to go around and blaming all of it on Wilson is stupid. He’s 100% correct. Hackett was in way over his head and everyone on the offense looked terrible. Wilson isn’t the player he used to be but he didn’t turn into the worst starter in the league over one offseason without a lot of help.
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1686092630608789510?s=20
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Wilson isn’t the player he used to be but he didn’t turn into the worst starter in the league over one offseason without a lot of help. https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1686098717542084608
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Diva Cupcake posted:I'm sure Russ will be back to his old self and be full healed by the mere presence of Sean Payton. His old self was streaky as hell his last few years in Seattle so he could be back to his old self and still kinda suck for stretches of the year. But if they can actually get plays in on time and not commit an insane amount of pre snap penalties and the offensive line actually knows their assignments that would probably help.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Hackett was in way over his head and everyone on the offense looked terrible. Everyone's to blame, but the scheme was what got to me. Even if everyone's playing at an all pro level that offense wasn't going to be more than middle of the pack. And...of course since everyone will never play at an all pro level on a team it ended up being a complete disaster, but I do think it started with the scheme.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:But if they can actually get plays in on time and not commit an insane amount of pre snap penalties and the offensive line actually knows their assignments that would probably help. Sports Illustrated posted:Where the Seahawks really need to emphasize speed is in avoiding unnecessary pre-snap penalties and premature timeouts, something they've long struggled with under Carroll. Getting to the line of scrimmage and snapping the ball in a timely manner has been a problem, particularly after explosive plays or chaotic moments.
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Speaking of young wrs and since people have asked about jalin Hyatt in this thread before, he's running with the Giants 1's the past few days and looks great. He's also topped 24mph multiple times thus far in shorts He's caught at least one bomb touchdown every day but is also adding in actual routes https://twitter.com/giants/status/1686040070581612544?s=46&t=lHimM6yryXEjSbBJQkXOHg https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/1685694181618946048?s=46&t=lHimM6yryXEjSbBJQkXOHg Gotta love training camp hype season
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In Buffalo news: Ken Dorsey decided it would be smart, on first day of pads, to run a trick play where Allen plays wide receiver. Despite wearing a red shirt, Taron Johnson managed to wipe him out. Allen was slow to get up and was (hopefully) just winded.
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Iodised QQ posted:Speaking of young wrs and since people have asked about jalin Hyatt in this thread before, he's running with the Giants 1's the past few days and looks great. He's also topped 24mph multiple times thus far in shorts Crown me and never doubt any of my draft opinions nothing else before or after this moment matters
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Pablo Bluth posted:In Buffalo news: Ken Dorsey decided it would be smart, on first day of pads, to run a trick play where Allen plays wide receiver. Despite wearing a red shirt, Taron Johnson managed to wipe him out. Allen was slow to get up and was (hopefully) just winded. Hell I'm impressed a CB made such an effective solo tackle on Josh Allen
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Diva Cupcake posted:From what I've read, and Seahawks fans can probably confirm, is Wilson has always had issues with pre-snap penalties. It just might just be him that's the problem. Seattle was actually worse than Denver in pre-snap penalties last year. They were second from the bottom. They had 25 false starts in 2022 vs 14 in 2021. Some of that was breaking in new OL but Russ had plenty of issues with that too. It’s a small sample size but Denver averaged 7.13 penalties a game with Hackett in charge and that dropped to 3 for the final two games after he got canned.
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