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Philonius posted:Russia needs to protect a vital piece of infrastructure, the loss of which could lead to the collapse of their lines. So they spare no effort and send a dude on an improvised raft made out of garbage. Floating cope cages isn't the stupidest way to protect 18 miles of shoreline, it fucks with these naval drones because they're designed to run as low to the surface as possible. Whether this pile of garbage stays in position, isn't easily sabotaged or actually works as intended is anyone's guess, but there's probably some pile of garbage design out there that'd be effective.
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Jul 31, 2023 13:20
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My Spirit Otter posted:ya it is. My comment regarding Ukraine yesterday about using long range drones was not about these offices directly. It was a comment in general that I don't think Ukraine should be doing poo poo to civi structures because Russia does it. What they do with these drones against legitimate non civi structures I don't give a poo poo about.
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Jul 31, 2023 13:21
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1685568476579024896 Probably chugging polish remover to try and get in with putins inner circle.
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Jul 31, 2023 13:21
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1685967285796605952 +2 Zuzana SPGs added to the pile. Every bit helps.
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Jul 31, 2023 13:49
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Drone_Fragger posted:Probably chugging polish remover to try and get in with putins inner circle. They only wish they could remove Poland.
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Jul 31, 2023 14:06
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:My original post did say that Ukraine was showing restraint In not doing hitting that infrastructure. Also I made the larger post to discuss why this infrastructure is so important and how it is a real target and very very critical to the Russian way of life as a whole gently caress that noise. Russia wants to start a genocidal war, the people they're trying to wipe out can try and wipe out the supply line to manpower. RuAF relies on the peoples east of the Urals so it doesn't have to make the war real for Moscow and St. Petersburg residents, gently caress that. Make Russia have to press gang the ethnic Russians that Putin relies on for support. Make Russia have to repair and protect its rear areas. Russia wants to play at a real war? Let them play. Ukraine should be able to destroy Russian logistics trains inside Russia and damage the methods in which those trains move, be it rail strikes, bridges, or gov/mil offices/facilities.
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Jul 31, 2023 14:10
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It's not sporting to attack supply lines within Russia, yellow card to Ukraine for unsportsmanlike conduct. It's also considered rude to run torture/rape dungeons in occupied regions, but this is just a verbal warning. If it persists I may issue a yellow card to Russia as well. The internet War Referee has spoken.
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Jul 31, 2023 14:15
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Ukraine can destroy supply lines in Russia, but they have to shake hands afterwards or they'll be disqualified.
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Jul 31, 2023 14:19
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America nuked Japan twice, I think it's only fair that we get to do it to do it to russia too 
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Jul 31, 2023 14:21
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https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1685573843094544384#m MUH NOOOOOOOOKS
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Jul 31, 2023 14:26
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RE: Railway Clancychat, there are a number of likely reasons why Ukraine isn't targeting railway infrastructure. The first and most important is that Ukraine's objective is not to destroy Russia, it's to stop Russia from destroying Ukraine. The priority is thus not to make life maximally miserable for inhabitants of Russia, but to undermine Russia's ability and will to prosecute the war. There are a number of reasons why using attack drones on Russian railway infrastructure isn't a good use of them. First of all, Russia has a fairly dense railway network within range of Ukrainian attack drones.  Second, railway infrastructure is notoriously hard to destroy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agznZBiK_Bs Given how small payloads the Ukrainian drones carry, they would barely dent a bridge or a railway. If the objective is to disrupt the Russian war effort, it makes more sense to target militarily useful stores of chemical potential energy, like fuel and ammo depots, command and control centres, critical technological and manufacturing enablers and institutions that are tasked with rallying support for the war and suppressing dissent against the war.
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Jul 31, 2023 14:27
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"The enemy must worship our warriors". gently caress off you vodka-soaked crybaby.
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Jul 31, 2023 14:47
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Dwesa posted:Russia is allegedly placing anti naval drone barriers near the Kerch bridge goddamn that looks tedious.
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Jul 31, 2023 14:49
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Jimlit posted:goddamn that looks tedious. eh this is the only forum without crypto spam
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Jul 31, 2023 14:51
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Ukraine is sending Beaver drones and russia builds little dams made of garbage 
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Jul 31, 2023 15:10
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Losing some land and destroying the world (including your own country) is some real "fist-fighting your DM after 6 beers because they downed your cleric" energy.
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Jul 31, 2023 15:16
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CannonFodder posted:I hope they fall off like the U2 Spy plane extra wheels that they had on takeoff. The U2 was so optimized for weight and flight time and being able to get right up to the edge of the atmosphere that it had a nose wheel and a tail wheel. To land, there was a chase car that would get under a wing so the pilot could drop the wing on the car and then have three points of contact with the ground. It was bonkers. Still in service with a sensor suite bolted to the top. https://youtu.be/gohD6W_uyO8
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Jul 31, 2023 15:16
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https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1686009595482038272 Footage of the destroyed bridge in Chonhar has appeared. Looks like it's totaled.
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Jul 31, 2023 15:24
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1686009595482038272 Rails are pretty easy to repair, and it looks like the hit is on the shore part of the tracks so there's little to no damage to structural members of the bridge.
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Jul 31, 2023 15:29
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have we heard anything about more patriots potentially being delivered to ukraine in the future? they really need more
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Jul 31, 2023 15:52
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Deki posted:
Wrong is wrong.
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Jul 31, 2023 16:05
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the holy poopacy posted:Rails are pretty easy to repair, and it looks like the hit is on the shore part of the tracks so there's little to no damage to structural members of the bridge. That part over the shore looks to be around 6 feet up in the air over the ground from previous photos taken from the side. I wouldn't write off structural damage. They may have chosen to strike there to amplify the effects of the explosives. E: the tweet quoted predicts the bridge is done for the war
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Jul 31, 2023 16:05
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That bridge span will have to be replaced before it can support any kind of rail traffic. It has a ten foot sag in the middle of the bridge between support struts lol They're sending out the guy that just stands there with a sign to have a photo taken  
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Jul 31, 2023 16:19
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I'll get concerned if a Ukraine piloted drone strikes an active hospital, a populated shopping mall, schools with children in them etc. Until then the empty government building is a non issue. If the Russian government wishes to protect it's citizens from collateral damage, maybe they should pull out of the country they invaded.
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Jul 31, 2023 16:19
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Tai posted:My comment regarding Ukraine yesterday about using long range drones was not about these offices directly. It was a comment in general that I don't think Ukraine should be doing poo poo to civi structures because Russia does it. What they do with these drones against legitimate non civi structures I don't give a poo poo about. ukraine hit a military target embedded in a civilian structure. they even hit it on a sunday as to minimize any collateral damage/prevent unnecessary loss of life. theres nothing they could have done differently. you cant give ukraine poo poo for hitting military targets responsibly. you can give russia poo poo for indescriminate targeting, but to equate what ukraine did to what russia is doing, is a false equivalency.
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Jul 31, 2023 16:42
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Tai posted:My comment regarding Ukraine yesterday about using long range drones was not about these offices directly. It was a comment in general that I don't think Ukraine should be doing poo poo to civi structures because Russia does it. What they do with these drones against legitimate non civi structures I don't give a poo poo about. Government office blocks are completely valid targets, doubly so if they contain the offices of ministry of defense or other government oppression agencies. If the Russians are offended by Ukrainian army droning their government buildings, they maybe could show example by first stopping their own random terror bombings against Ukrainian civilians, or better, gather their poo poo and get the gently caress out of Ukraine. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 16:46
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I don't see why the Ukrainian government should care per se about the morality of attacking Russian civilian and dual use infrastructure. They are in an existential struggle for their national survival and the ends can easily justify a wide array of means in those conditions. Ukraine attacking dual use infrastructure is in any case a proportionate response to prior and ongoing attacks. If Russia doesn't like it, they should consider that this will only intensify and more of the war will be occurring on de jure Russian soil as the war continues and whether the benefits of continued aggression against Ukraine are commensurate with the costs incurred.
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Jul 31, 2023 16:46
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It's not as if Ukraine is bombing hospitals, orphanages, shopping malls, or apartment blocks like the last week of Russian air strikes on Ukrainian territory (and every previous week since Feb 24 2022) Though if they get a chance to fly one of those Beavers into putins simian face they absolutely should take it
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Jul 31, 2023 16:51
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large hands posted:That part over the shore looks to be around 6 feet up in the air over the ground from previous photos taken from the side. I wouldn't write off structural damage. They may have chosen to strike there to amplify the effects of the explosives. Somehow, I think Twitter user "Tendar" probably isn't an expert on rail infrastructure.
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Jul 31, 2023 16:54
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Somehow, I think Twitter user "Tendar" probably isn't an expert on rail infrastructure. Remember this isn't the first time Ukraine hit the Chonhar Bridge. They hit it hard first on June 22. The repairs were never finished and it just got hit again. That bridge is very likely done supporting rail transport for the duration, even if it might be able to still support light vehicle traffic like the Kerch Bridge. If it can't support rail transport then it is almost completely useless to Russia, logistically
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Jul 31, 2023 16:58
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HonorableTB posted:Remember this isn't the first time Ukraine hit the Chonhar Bridge. They hit it hard first on June 22. The repairs were never finished and it just got hit again. That bridge is very likely done supporting rail transport for the duration, even if it might be able to still support light vehicle traffic like the Kerch Bridge. If it can't support rail transport then it is almost completely useless to Russia, logistically Unfortunately the Chonhar crossing isn't that long. It obviously is long enough to stop trains, those are done for, but there always will be a possibility to do a pontoon bridge over that gap that can support truck traffic just fine so the supply route isn't completely plugged either.
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Jul 31, 2023 17:02
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Somehow, I think Twitter user "Tendar" probably isn't an expert on rail infrastructure. Sure, any speculation either way without better photos and a structural engineer is purely for entertainment purposes HonorableTB posted:Remember this isn't the first time Ukraine hit the Chonhar Bridge. They hit it hard first on June 22. The repairs were never finished and it just got hit again. That bridge is very likely done supporting rail transport for the duration, even if it might be able to still support light vehicle traffic like the Kerch Bridge. If it can't support rail transport then it is almost completely useless to Russia, logistically That was the road bridge
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Jul 31, 2023 17:08
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large hands posted:Sure, any speculation either way without better photos and a structural engineer is purely for entertainment purposes Yeah, which would divert more traffic than usual over to the rail bridge, which just got hit as well. Unless the road bridge is repaired enough to handle the weight of armor and supply trucks, those have to go by rail which is now impossible, so now they have to deploy around the other side of the peninsula near Kherson and that's a swampy shithole of a bottleneck  The area near Chaplynka is within Ukrainian artillery range from Kherson so any supplies going that way would risk being shelled Der Kyhe posted:Unfortunately the Chonhar crossing isn't that long. It obviously is long enough to stop trains, those are done for, but there always will be a possibility to do a pontoon bridge over that gap that can support truck traffic just fine so the supply route isn't completely plugged either. Any military on the planet would take pontoon bridges over permanent bridge structures as far as disrupting logistics and maneuver goes. Unfortunately pontoon bridges at this point would probably be more useful to Russia than the real bridge because Ukraine won't waste HIMARS or Storm Shadows on a pontoon bridge (in my opinion) and they aren't within normal artillery distance of that crossing. Of course I'm not Zaluzhny so I could be totally wrong but that's how it looks to me HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 17:28
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quote:Russian ombudswoman says more than 700,000 children taken from Ukraine since February 2022 https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/07/31/russian-ombudswoman-says-more-than-700-000-children-taken-from-ukraine-since-february-2022 Maria Lvova-Belova is a real piece of poo poo.
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Jul 31, 2023 17:33
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beer_war posted:https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/07/31/russian-ombudswoman-says-more-than-700-000-children-taken-from-ukraine-since-february-2022 She is not being very boombastic, nor really fantastic. And also grounded to Russia for the rest of her life (she was the one with arrest warrant from Haque, right?)
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Jul 31, 2023 17:35
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beer_war posted:https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/07/31/russian-ombudswoman-says-more-than-700-000-children-taken-from-ukraine-since-february-2022 no dont you see, they arent abducting children, they're rescuing them from a war zone and
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Jul 31, 2023 17:37
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There's never going to be any agreement on what constitutes "the line" in war because depending on who you ask there will be people who say that literally everyone in Russia or wherever is culpable or enabling and therefore valid targets, and then course more reductionist viewpoints, and no one will ever have the same opinion. As such and as it is, we can't really do anything about it so it's pretty pointless to Legal Eagle any of this stuff so don't bother trying to justify or finger wag. In other kind of weird news:  White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan is expected to attend peace talks on the war in Ukraine next week in Saudi Arabia, US officials said. Ukraine is taking the lead on the effort which is expected to be attended by Western countries and developing nations. Russia is not expected to attend the talks. Ukraine’s goal is that the talks work to identify shared principles for ending the war and that there is a peace summit later this year with global leaders signing up to support those principles, US officials said. The talks hosted in Saudi Arabia are the second in a series of meetings organized by the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, Andriy Yermak. The first talks took place earlier this year in Copenhagen. Saudi Arabia was picked for the talks in part because of the country’s relationship with China, one US official explained. While China is not expected to attend the talks, US officials have publicly encouraged China in recent months to play a constructive role in resolving the Ukraine war though there has been no signal of China taking any proactive steps towards a peaceful end. “I reiterated that we would welcome China playing a constructive role along with other nations to work toward a just peace, based on the principles of the United Nations Charter,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in Beijing in June. HonorableTB posted:no dont you see, they arent abducting children, they're rescuing them from a war zone and lol "They're just sent off to live with grandma!" 
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Jul 31, 2023 17:38
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Toxic Mental posted:There's never going to be any agreement on what constitutes "the line" in war because depending on who you ask there will be people who say that literally everyone in Russia or wherever is culpable or enabling and therefore valid targets, and then course more reductionist viewpoints, and no one will ever have the same opinion. As such and as it is, we can't really do anything about it so it's pretty pointless to Legal Eagle any of this stuff so don't bother trying to justify or finger wag. What's the over/under of Saudi Arabian government doing something really stupid with this one, or allowing Russia to do something such? I really wouldn't trust any of the ORB HOLDER-assholes with this one.
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Jul 31, 2023 17:41
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Toxic Mental posted:
i'm workin on an effort post about what russia is doing to those kids and its gonna be bleak as gently caress i can already tell
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99% chance it's just Russia once again going "we get to keep ALLLLLLL of this" and Ukraine going "Get out" and nothing happens.
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