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Finally, a comic that ACTUALLY deserves comparison with Gunnerkrigg Court
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Jul 29, 2023 23:30
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Jul 29, 2023 23:31
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A big flaming stink posted:dont forget how she went to her ethics professor and confessed what she did and her guilt about it and he told her "actually you did the morally correct act" isnt it brennan lee mulligan
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Jul 29, 2023 23:35
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Joe Slowboat posted:Alison quasi-sexually assaulted a libertarian bro into magically making Feral’s healing factor many times stronger so she can fill her organ quota with only one day of vivisection in a week. Christ I remember this, and it was one of those scenes where I absolutely knew exactly where it was going to go: The libertarian was the son of a senator or something, so the full weight and fury of whatever meta-human governmental agency was going to come down on her, and since Feral's current healing factor made the surgeries absurdly difficult and painful, with an amped up healing factor they would be completely impossible, drugs no longer working and her skin healing immediately behind the scalpel. Now Alison is under fire and her long time friend and ally is infuriated at her for ruining the one good thing she was able to do. Conflict! Learning that just taking everything into your own hands and doing things without consent is wrong! Lessons! And then none of that happened and it all worked out perfectly and hookers and blow for everyone!
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Jul 29, 2023 23:40
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Rereading it now and how the gently caress did he not see the rape comparison. TW: rape and explicit discussion and description of clear parallels to rape. She literally says "Well, sweetheart, I was only asking as a courtesy". Using a feminine nickname to emasculate him while saying she doesn't care about his consent either way and is going to violate his bodily autonomy. While she holds him down and he cries. Bro what? WHAT. Like... it's not like I've never wanted to slap a selfish libertarian for being okay with the chronically ill suffering in preventable ways, but this is FAR beyond the pale. Especially with all the other story arcs preceding it, including the one explicitly about Feral, where the moral is "violence isn't (always) the answer, and the only reason you're capable of using violence to solve problems and others aren't is because you are in a position of privilege to do so", and the resulting (from what I remember) largely toothless feminism arc. what the gently caress
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Jul 30, 2023 00:04
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Arbetor posted:Christ I remember this, and it was one of those scenes where I absolutely knew exactly where it was going to go: The libertarian was the son of a senator or something, so the full weight and fury of whatever meta-human governmental agency was going to come down on her, and since Feral's current healing factor made the surgeries absurdly difficult and painful, with an amped up healing factor they would be completely impossible, drugs no longer working and her skin healing immediately behind the scalpel. Now Alison is under fire and her long time friend and ally is infuriated at her for ruining the one good thing she was able to do. Conflict! Learning that just taking everything into your own hands and doing things without consent is wrong! Lessons! I mean, that was actually a cool part, where she Goes Too Far and braces herself for the consequences only to realize that there aren't any, and there never will be, because she is literally invincible and the law will go out of its way to avoid failing to arrest her, and that just as she goes over the moral event horizon she realizes that she can do anything she wants to anybody. Unfortunately nothing ever came of nothing coming of it.
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Jul 30, 2023 00:07
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in k6bd news, i miss Oscar
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Jul 30, 2023 00:34
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yeah thats the "best" part, the scene itself was honestly pretty well composed and made sense for the characters involved, and it could have easily been a very intriguing character arc for allison to undergo! but nope, she could do no wrong and was completely justified in her actions, and all the nuance of the scene was just in your head
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Jul 30, 2023 00:39
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Gunnerkrigg Court: and all the nuance of the scene was just in your head
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Jul 30, 2023 02:43
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That's not fair. It used to have some nuance, but over time that nuance moved out of reality and into our heads.
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Jul 30, 2023 03:05
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So we're going to get Coyote-Loup-Zimmy? Cool, cool. This is just going to be a Katamari of suck, isn't it?
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Jul 31, 2023 11:59
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I think people here still liked Zimmy, time to remedy that.
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Jul 31, 2023 12:01
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This page is kinda cool. I'm ok with it.
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Jul 31, 2023 12:21
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Oh wait wait wait. This is leading to some Two-Annies Bullshit: Remixed. In a similar fashion to how the two Annies were merged together, this is likely to result in Jerrick being separated from Loup as a distinct character and Coyote emerging as a complete, living entity again.
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Jul 31, 2023 12:22
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You know what, loving fine, let Jerrick be a real boy and let's move on.
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Jul 31, 2023 12:25
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if we get some decent Zimmyham pages out of this then it will have been worth it
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Jul 31, 2023 14:20
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Is this implying some kind of katamari creation story? Oh god drat it, this is a story about how the gods of a new world came to be. One of these duders is going to slip on a banana peel and go skidding into the star ocean. Okay, fine, rush the ending and show us people sitting around a campfire telling the story of the goofus wolf god who beat women and put the stars in their sky. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 15:10
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Clevin
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Jul 31, 2023 16:37
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http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=311 see comic 5 here for clevin
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Jul 31, 2023 16:39
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I don't know what's going on anymore
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Jul 31, 2023 18:00
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Clevins's very last appearance, where he gets cucked and scared off by Patrick, is the funniest loving thing in the comic And then it's followed by Patrick's mind palace which is the dumbest storyline in the comic and probably what finally killed it
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Jul 31, 2023 18:05
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What is Clevin. Also I feel like I have asked this before but I still don't know so feel free to ignore this dumbass question.
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Jul 31, 2023 18:13
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GunnerJ posted:What is Clevin. Also I feel like I have asked this before but I still don't know so feel free to ignore this dumbass question. Incredibly milquetoast boyfriend of the Strong Female Protagonist in the comic of the same name, whose increasing prominence was seen as a marker of its massive decline. The comic decided he was a great model of emotional openness and healthy vulnerability. Ironically he started out as “guy who failed to notice his roommate was a rapist and general POS, then saw his roommate get killed by an invisible superhero” which is kind of fantastic - he was the nice guy who fails to recognize or stop the awful guy, and later he’s held up as a role model. No sign he learned or grew from that at all either.
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Jul 31, 2023 18:17
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 Clevin, moments before he is scared out of the comic forever by Alison's chad mind-reader crush He plays guitar and likes indie movies
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Jul 31, 2023 18:26
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pik_d posted:I don't know what's going on anymore
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Jul 31, 2023 18:34
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his loving name is "Clevin"
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Jul 31, 2023 18:34
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Clevin is like the platonic ideal of the character trope we were talking before in this thread, where the writer thinks he's great and thus the characters also act like he's great, but in reality he is deeply mediocre at best and generally unlikable. Very dull (and a little whiny) spineless dork whose most notable trait was being generally nice and inoffensive. He felt kind of like an alt-right caricature of a beta soy male or whatever given life, down to the fact that he is "cucked" by a far more interesting and capable man kissing his girlfriend. Said girlfriend, the protagonist, was generally out of Clevin's league to the tune of basically being female Superman in a world where a lot of people had superpowers, and he had none. Which would've been fine! A strong narrative theme was her attempts to live a normal life despite life's attempts to keep her from doing so, and there's nothing wrong with Superman having a Lois Lane. Except, you know, the aforementioned extremely bland personality, AND the fact that the comic had at that point teased multiple love interests who were infinitely more interesting AND had far more chemistry with her, including two female superheroes and a male ex-villain with mind reading powers (Patrick) that gave him a fascinatingly complex and hosed up relationship with his sense of self and others. Also worth noting is Patrick also had a long and complex history with the protagonist including prior romantic tension, and a lot of narrative parallels (her being incredibly powerful physically, him being incredibly powerful mentally, her being the most famous/powerful superhero and him the most famous/powerful villain). The two women were hastily and awkwardly paired off with each other, but Patrick has a whole chapter where the protagonist explores his mind that then ends with them admitting they love each other and kissing in the void of his crumbling mindscape, while admitting that villains can be capable of heroism and vice versa. Then she wakes up and goes "uhmm noo I can't, I love you but I'm happy with clevin  " and he's like "it ok I understand  ". This all happened shortly after Patrick casually destroyed Clevin by pointing out how lovely and flimsy his mental self-defense mechanisms are, causing him to freak out and run away.A lot of people had issues with the mind palace arc (which I agree with, it was very stupid, though I like Patrick in general) but the ending where they kiss in the void while wearing symbolic superhero outfits after admitting they love each other felt... undeniably, deeply romantic and full of chemistry. All of this, and the fact that Patrick effortlessly ruins Clevin's day with a few words while in the middle of mentally and physically crumbling, made the part where she goes "but I love Clevin" and in general her extremely limp chemistryless relationship with him look very stupid, like she's deliberately picking a safe and boring option - yet the very telegraphed intended read is that her relationship with him is healthy and normal and she's very happy and genuinely in love with him. The comic has been on hiatus since like 2018 and I'm guessing part of it was the author realizing they had no idea how to salvage Clevin's existence after Patrick pulled his proverbial pants down and kissed his girlfriend.
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Jul 31, 2023 19:33
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Thanks for the info, friendos! So basically he's the Tony of that comic, except not sorta written out after some big (quasi) redemption/justification moment, instead the author just gave up.
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Jul 31, 2023 19:42
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GunnerJ posted:What is Clevin. Also I feel like I have asked this before but I still don't know so feel free to ignore this dumbass question. Splicer posted:http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=311 see comic 5 here for clevin
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Jul 31, 2023 19:45
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The author (and artist) gave up entirely on SFP and moved on to massively better work. Which would be damning by faint praise, so I should specify the massively better work seems to be at worst mediocre and often quite good.
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Jul 31, 2023 19:55
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Joe Slowboat posted:The author (and artist) gave up entirely on SFP and moved on to massively better work. Which would be damning by faint praise, so I should specify the massively better work seems to be at worst mediocre and often quite good. Really, SFP's fundamental flaw was the sheer hubris of the whole thing. We're going to do our first webcomic, it'll be long form storytelling(!) about another takedown of superheroes, a genre we do not read*(!!), asking the hard questions about power, violence and revolution even though we're milquetoast libs(!!!). The project was doomed to fail regardless of what other talent they may have. *I think the writer mentioned he'd only read All-Star Superman at some point. YaketySass fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 20:48
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Yeah it was “We could totally write Millennial Watchmen, as non-cape-comics-readers”
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Jul 31, 2023 20:52
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Tiny Myers posted:Lots of words about comic You know, I really, truly get the desire of younger creators to subvert common toxic tropes by attempting to write healthy, balanced alternatives. Growing up with mostly unhealthy models for relationships do suck. But, part of the reason those models are so common is that it's a lot easier to make characters compelling when you load them up with a bunch of cool damage and nuance. It's genuinely hard to create a good guy. That is, literally, a guy who is unambiguously good. It's why so many writers gently caress up Superman by trying to make him edgy. Wholesome, aspirational characters are difficult to make interesting! I feel like a lot of inexperienced storytellers don't grasp how difficult until they're already halfway through the plot and realize, "Oh no he's milquetoast!" but then have no idea how to fix things.
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Jul 31, 2023 21:35
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Clevin also wasn’t good - he was just self-satisfied and unthreatening. They hosed up by making the Nice Guy the one who was roommates with a date rapist and never noticed anything was wrong; to the point that he was iirc at a party where his buddy was creeping on a drunk girl and got upset when the SFP chased his buddy off. Also he was a passive-aggressive little slime about not getting an explicit thank-you at a big event for something he didn’t actually take part in, because he had done the bare minimum Boyfriending for the SFP while she was working on the project. Clevin’s a soft boy in the most negative sense.
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Jul 31, 2023 21:40
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I've had a very weird time today discovering the guy from Dimension 20 was responsible for Clevin
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Jul 31, 2023 21:53
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drat, SFP was written by the funny College humor guy who gets mocked for liking birds? I genuinely struggle to imagine him writing that.
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Jul 31, 2023 22:16
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Jul 31, 2023 22:27
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Honestly though, despite SFP's problems, it really did have some surprisingly strong poo poo in it IMO. Like I agree it was WAY too loving ambitious but it still nailed some really strong emotional moments and asked some interesting questions, which makes it all the more sad that it fell apart. I'm not really sure how you would best improve it, but "don't have a story arc about rape" and "don't make a character named Clevin" are probably the most important first steps.
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YggiDee posted:I've had a very weird time today discovering the guy from Dimension 20 was responsible for Clevin
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