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Once again a women's world cup where Canada have to go away and take a real long look at the program after underperforming. Maybe the CSA will actual do somet- ahahahahahaha no
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webmeister posted:Also absolutely stoked I gambled on round of 16 tickets for 1B vs 2D - up the fucken tillies My lovely wife did aswell. Fakn legend
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Well that was a nice training run for the Matildas  Bring on the Ro16
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webmeister posted:As an Aussie that was a soft pen imo but I’ll take it Makes up for that nonsense VAR disallow earlier
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Spend some real money CSA on a hahahahahahahahaha Shoot me
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I’ve only seen one full game so far this tournament. Glad it was that one. Go Matildas!
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wonder if we can petition tsn to flash up 4-0 every time they play an ad featuring christine sinclair shouting yeswayyyy or lawrence saying sorry not sorry to impossible that loving visa ad with the soccerphone
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Jesus I'm glad I accidentally spoiled myself before watching the replay of CAN-AUS. How is a top 10 team this mentally weak?
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Jul 31, 2023 17:12
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MakaVillian posted:Jesus I'm glad I accidentally spoiled myself before watching the replay of CAN-AUS. How is a top 10 team this mentally weak? FIFA rankings are utterly meaningless and Canada is only up there because they won a fluke COVID gold medal. They've won 2 games this calendar year.
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Shrapnig posted:FIFA rankings are utterly meaningless and Canada is only up there because they won a fluke COVID gold medal. Canada has been a top 10 team for about a decade actually (fell out in 2015). And went 11-3-3 in 2022. They've clearly had poor form in 2023 but are still a good team. MakaVillian fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 19:02
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Canada has been ranked way too high for a while. The rankings are dumb but places like the CBC will jam them into every article on international football that they can
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Jul 31, 2023 19:03
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MakaVillian posted:Canada has been a top 10 team for about a decade actually (fell out in 2015). FIFA rankings are utterly meaningless
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Failed Imagineer posted:Looking forward to Nigeria beating England
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Shrapnig posted:FIFA rankings are utterly meaningless They're by definition not utterly meaningless, flawed i'm sure, but clearly Canada is not in the top 10 only by virtue of winning a gold medal in Tokyo (against healthy full squads) How about ELO rankings then? https://www.economicsobservatory.com/predicting-the-womens-world-cup-is-football-coming-home-again
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MakaVillian posted:They're by definition not utterly meaningless, flawed i'm sure, but clearly Canada is not in the top 10 only by virtue of winning a gold medal in Tokyo (against healthy full squads) No rankings have enough of a recency bias to actually gauge the current form of a given team. Canada has been terrible for 9 months, but they were decent in 2021 and 2022 and those results are heavily weighted into their current ranking. Canada has always had an inflated FIFA ranking due to the fact that they're the second best team in a weak confederation. CONCACAF sucks outside of the US and Canada so Canada is only losing to a team that is almost always above them in the world rankings during qualifying and regional tournaments. They're good enough to go beat a UEFA minnow like Ireland but are in no way competitive with the elite teams in Europe who are consistently beating each other like France or England.
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Shrapnig posted:No rankings have enough of a recency bias to actually gauge the current form of a given team. Canada has been terrible for 9 months, but they were decent in 2021 and 2022 and those results are heavily weighted into their current ranking. I already conceded that their current form was bad and if 2022-23 was the only time they were ranked in the top 10 i'd agree with you, but they've been ranked top 10 for most of a decade. Also, Canada has never played a majority of their games in a calendar year against CONCACAF opposition so your second paragraph is incorrect, except for the fact they're not likely to beat the elite teams in Europe or the US (which I never said they would). Canada is a good team who is in poor form this year. Not sure why this controversial for you. MakaVillian fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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MakaVillian posted:They're by definition not utterly meaningless, flawed i'm sure, but clearly Canada is not in the top 10 only by virtue of winning a gold medal in Tokyo (against healthy full squads) Even on this I see at least 4 teams I would rate to beat canada or at least run them drat close even though they're ranked lower. As other posters have said the fact that rankings by their nature have to go back a ways hide how rough canada has looked recently and how turnover has hurt the squad
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ilmucche posted:Even on this I see at least 4 teams I would rate to beat canada or at least run them drat close even though they're ranked lower. As other posters have said the fact that rankings by their nature have to go back a ways hide how rough canada has looked recently and how turnover has hurt the squad The argument was that Canada was ranked in the top 10 only because of winning the gold medal in Tokyo, which is empirically not true. Or later because they beat up on CONCACAF teams (except the US) to juice their ranking, this also seems to not be true. A dip in form doesn't necessarily mean they don't have the talent of a top 10 team or shouldn't have been considered a top 10 team in the past.
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I think the fact that they got dumped out in the group stage in a bloated World Cup is pretty good evidence that they're nowhere close to a top 10 team in the world.
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Shrapnig posted:I think the fact that they got dumped out in the group stage in a bloated World Cup is pretty good evidence that they're nowhere close to a top 10 team in the world. I'm not sure what part of 'poor recent form' you don't understand. And I think i'll take the opinion of someone who creates flimsy arguments that are easily proven wrong and insists on a vibes-based system, with a grain of salt.
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MakaVillian posted:A dip in form doesn't necessarily mean they don't have the talent of a top 10 team or shouldn't have been considered a top 10 team in the past. sure, but I do not believe they have the talent and organisation to be considered one of the top 10 teams in the world anymore, and haven't considered them a top 10 team for a while. We can look at ELO or fifa rankings or whatever but it's all subjective assessments. MakaVillian posted:I'm not sure what part of 'poor recent form' you don't understand. A good run of form doesn't necessarily mean they have the talent of a top 10 team or should have been considered a top 10 team in the past. It's easy to say these things lol ilmucche fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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I think Canada was a top 10 team and generally advanced in women’s football like a decade ago but this poo poo has been moving so fast in recent years. Lots of countries have caught and surpassed them, probably for good.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I think Canada was a top 10 team and generally advanced in women’s football like a decade ago but this poo poo has been moving so fast in recent years. Lots of countries have caught and surpassed them, probably for good. I still think a lot of the success ages ago came from the fact that canada had more opportunity for women to play, but as you say other more football dedicated countries have caught up. top 10 then, but sadly not anymore
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ilmucche posted:sure, but I do not believe they have the talent and organisation to be considered one of the top 10 teams in the world anymore, and haven't considered them a top 10 team for a while. We can look at ELO or fifa rankings or whatever but it's all subjective assessments. How long is awhile? Tokyo was in 2022 and to win an elite tourney you usually have to have a good team, some would even say top 10 (Euro 2004 notwithstanding). quote:
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I think Canada was a top 10 team and generally advanced in women’s football like a decade ago but this poo poo has been moving so fast in recent years. Lots of countries have caught and surpassed them, probably for good. I agree with most of this, though not necessarily with the "for good" part. Soccer is more popular as it has ever been in Canada and hopefully the infrastructure will be improved in the future.
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MakaVillian posted:I agree with most of this, though not necessarily with the "for good" part. Soccer is more popular as it has ever been in Canada and hopefully the infrastructure will be improved in the future. "Hopefully" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that last sentence, because CSA.
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If you struggle with the idea of subjectivity that's okay. MakaVillian posted:I agree with most of this, though not necessarily with the "for good" part. Soccer is more popular as it has ever been in Canada and hopefully the infrastructure will be improved in the future. Hopefully, but the CSA does not offer a lot of hope considering how difficult it's been just to pay the players.
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whypick1 posted:"Hopefully" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that last sentence, because CSA. Fair enough, the CSA has shown an astounding level of incompetence. I think all the poo poo now being in the public consciousness as well as co-hosting the 2026 WC will force positive changes
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ilmucche posted:If you struggle with the idea of subjectivity that's okay. No I don't, that's why I asked what you think awhile is because going 11-3-3 in 2022 and winning the gold medal in 2021 are objectively things a good team does and should make them subjectively good for most anyone during that period of time.
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MakaVillian posted:I agree with most of this, though not necessarily with the "for good" part. Soccer is more popular as it has ever been in Canada and hopefully the infrastructure will be improved in the future. The rest of the world is improving at such a rapid rate that I doubt Canada’s ability / willingness to invest at the level that is necessary to be a consistent top 10 team.
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Canada's neither small nor poor. This was a poo poo tournament from them, and they might be toast as a major contender in the women's game, but I don't see how they're less likely to be good 8 years from now than Sweden or Norway. Or, gently caress, England. Because all the players on that team will have to deal with starvation under the second BoJo government. e: More seriously, many of the arguments you could make against Canada you can make against Japan. Not a major traditional soccer power, lack of investment from their FA, seeming to be on the downslope after an excellent run when many nations weren't as competitive, etc. Yet Japan utterly styled on every opponent including "top contender" Spain in the group stage. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Aug 1, 2023 |
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Might be something that could be 'fixed' with a change of manager or something. Australia was garbage at soccer until they got Gustavvson who revamped how they did everything, and then they were garbage again after they got pumped by Nigeria, whereas now they're the best team in the world and about to go undefeated for the rest of the tournament.
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Chairchucker posted:Might be something that could be 'fixed' with a change of manager or something. Australia was garbage at soccer until they got Gustavvson who revamped how they did everything, and then they were garbage again after they got pumped by Nigeria, whereas now they're the best team in the world and about to go undefeated for the rest of the tournament. I chose to believe you worded it specifically this way because going to penalties is officially recorded as a draw even if you lose there, so you'd still be technically correct.
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Chairchucker posted:Might be something that could be 'fixed' with a change of manager or something. Australia was garbage at soccer until they got Gustavvson who revamped how they did everything, and then they were garbage again after they got pumped by Nigeria, whereas now they're the best team in the world and about to go undefeated for the rest of the tournament. We’re like that with the men’s team too, Arnold was a genius when qualifying was going well, then we hosed up against trash-tier shitters and he was a dumbarse who didn’t know one end of a football from the other. Until we qualified for and were successful at the World Cup, when he was a genius again. It’s the circle of life
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