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SirPhoebos posted:Speaking of, someone guessed that the dungeon boss would be FFIV's penultimate boss (Mind). Anyone have their pixel art? This thing you mean? I think I was the one that thought it might show up. 
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Jul 31, 2023 18:06
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The big enemies in FF4 Lunar Sub are: Zemus's Mind/Malice and Zemus' Breath (almost assured to be one of the bosses) Deathmask (Weird giant robot head. Unique enemy, could make a fun fight) Lunasaur (Zombie Dragons, attack in pairs) Flan Princess' (most noted for being something you farm for Pink Tails, could see them getting a ref fight but not bosses) Dark Bahamut (already covered by Lunar Bahamut) Ogopogo (Evil Leviathan, major boss, a very likely choice for a boss fight) White Dragon (Boss, not very likely as a boss since it's not very memorable and Ogopogo already covers a similar niche) Plague Horror (Boss, Ahriman recolor, seems unlikely) Zemus (Not actually a boss, just a cutscene fight, could be extended into a boss, but Zemus isn't really a 'thing' in the 14 version) I'd bet on Ogopogo, Zemus' Malice/Breath (maybe both) and Deathmask
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Jul 31, 2023 18:08
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I think Deathmask is already covered by the first boss of Smileton, in a way
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Jul 31, 2023 18:09
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Alxprit posted:I think Deathmask is already covered by the first boss of Smileton, in a way Yeah, I was thinking they could reuse the model, but it's a clear reference.
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Jul 31, 2023 18:16
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... What if the Lunar Subterranian is Red Moon Smileton?
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Jul 31, 2023 18:18
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I will amend my expectation. While the screens only seem to show the source and probably the thirteenth, I could definitely see it being a three shard romp from the first in order to bring the light over. That would also be cool.
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Jul 31, 2023 18:21
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I think one of the A-Rank Hunt marks on the moon is meant to be a Flan Princess reference. I feel like Deathmask could just as easily be a trash mob, using those wall things from the Azim Steppe as the model with a different skin.
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Jul 31, 2023 18:23
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Aha, that's why those cubes looked so familiar. ImpAtom posted:I admin it kinda bugs me that Bahamut IV is the prize for the lynxs because it feels entirely disconnected. It should have been the Warrior of Light going to Ultima Thule and recreating Ra-La. 
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Jul 31, 2023 18:39
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Whether Ra-La or not they are cowards for not giving us a giant cat that carries us by the scruff of the neck.
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Jul 31, 2023 19:36
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Akett posted:Whether Ra-La or not they are cowards for not giving us a giant cat that carries us by the scruff of the neck. The machina claw does this! But yeah a cat would be much cuter
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Jul 31, 2023 20:15
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Cleretic posted:Yeah, I get that by nature of the plan we're gonna go to the First as a significant beat, but it just sorta feels like less when there's not some major bullet-point content happening there. (Plus, having some Duty Support First NPCs would've been neat.) Holy poo poo this is actually an odd resemblance.
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Jul 31, 2023 20:53
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The columns and pillars just reminded me of World of Darkness, although I can't remember what the floors are like in there. But yeah that exact style being the inverse of Gulg is neat.
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Jul 31, 2023 21:13
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They vaguely remind me of Ra'Kaznar in XI.
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Jul 31, 2023 21:36
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Culex for the dungeon boss just as Golbez's strongest flunky left after the fiends are gone.
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Jul 31, 2023 21:49
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I forget, did we ever get a Baigan-inspired fight? Because AFAIK, he, the Antlion, and the dark elf are the only bosses from before the final dungeon of 4 that haven’t popped up in some form yet.
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Jul 31, 2023 22:26
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I just thought it was vaguely like the original Lunar Subterrane.
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Jul 31, 2023 22:28
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I just thought it was vaguely like the original Lunar Subterrane. It definitely does, but Yoshi-P explicitly pointed out the floor as being a hint to which shard's moon it is too.
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Jul 31, 2023 23:04
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I just thought it was vaguely like the original Lunar Subterrane. Yeah I thought it was this. When it wasn't really obvious where it was from, I just assumed the translator had gotten what he was alluding to slightly wrong (which, as I understand it, is an incredibly common mistake when translating from Japanese in particular) and Yoship was referring to the fact that people who had played FFIV before would know it.
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Jul 31, 2023 23:13
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ShB set up a precedent that I wish EW followed, I wanted a Liger Zero mount
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Jul 31, 2023 23:17
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So guessing the dungeon is the moon on the first, the moon on the source, and then the moon on the thirteenth, setting up a path to transfer the remaining light on the first to zap zeromus with.
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Jul 31, 2023 23:19
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Rosalind posted:Yeah I thought it was this. When it wasn't really obvious where it was from, I just assumed the translator had gotten what he was alluding to slightly wrong (which, as I understand it, is an incredibly common mistake when translating from Japanese in particular) and Yoship was referring to the fact that people who had played FFIV before would know it. The statement was roughly, "But you must be wondering, which moon is it? If you look at the floor, surely you remember fighting someplace with a floor like this before? That's a hint, I promise." If it was like, a single sentence I could believe a mistranslation, but the entire statement would have to be WILDLY mistranslated for several minutes straight if he was simply referring to FFIV
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Aug 1, 2023 00:49
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Cleretic posted:I'm a little disappointed that the dungeon isn't on the First, because without that it kinda just feels like it's gonna be an impact-less trip there. You're doing that thing where you create a whole scenario to get mad/disappointed at so I can safely say you're probably gonna be wrong on this point,
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Feldegast42 posted:So guessing the dungeon is the moon on the first, the moon on the source, and then the moon on the thirteenth, setting up a path to transfer the remaining light on the first to zap zeromus with. This would be dope and kinda fit with Hero's Gauntlet and The Dead Ends as a story finale dungeon that takes place across multiple areas.
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Aug 1, 2023 03:08
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My concern about 'what if it's the First's moon and then goes through multiple moons' is twofold: 1. How the gently caress are you gonna get an entire duty support team on staff for that without really straining credulity? 2. Given Y'shtola's story seems to be gearing up for 'she's gonna figure out shard travel no matter how much it takes', pulling it off at least twice while she's not even around feels like robbing her of a story arc.
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Aug 1, 2023 03:22
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The WoL can do it at will and we just stick the trusts in our pockets like we did the one time for each transition
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DanielCross posted:The statement was roughly, "But you must be wondering, which moon is it? If you look at the floor, surely you remember fighting someplace with a floor like this before? That's a hint, I promise." If it was like, a single sentence I could believe a mistranslation, but the entire statement would have to be WILDLY mistranslated for several minutes straight if he was simply referring to FFIV Fair enough! I was only half paying attention because I was doing chores while listening in.
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Feldegast42 posted:So guessing the dungeon is the moon on the first, the moon on the source, and then the moon on the thirteenth, setting up a path to transfer the remaining light on the first to zap zeromus with. Ok, hear me out. It starts on the First, you can use Ryne as a narrative duty support NPC, and she has GNB unlocked now.
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Chillgamesh posted:Ok, hear me out. It starts on the First, you can use Ryne as a narrative duty support NPC, and she has GNB unlocked now. Since I've been nerding out on this behind the scenes, I want to lay down the limitations on duty support. Our theoretical slimmest minimum is the setup used by Troia: Three NPCs, two of which can all-rounder into healer and tank respectively. (Ktisis had a similar setup but the healer could also tank). I'd say that might be a struggle to justify, so the attainable minimum is the setup from Alzadaal's Legacy or the Aetherfont: Three one-jobbers and an all-rounder into at least one role. We already have, if we're assuming the entrance being on the First, two of those three by screenshots: Ryne and Zero, both DPS (Speaking of, there's some serious questions to be asked about the fact only Zero is in that screenshot). Theoretically you could also make Ryne a Gunbreaker; I wouldn't, because to me it feels like she 'unlocks' that in Eden, but it's a logical allowance for the setup. So for a First-entrance dungeon with a pretty loving big ask let's be honest, we need either another DPS and a healer, or one person who can do both, who'd actually say yes to the most insane nonsense they've ever heard. Since story also needs to be considered, we also need to add the requirement that they're reasonably around to help (since it's unlikely we'd go too far afield), and would probably have something interesting to add to the whole picture by being there. And of course they can't have that bond through side content, since not everyone did those stories; for the First that primarily knocks out Gaia and the role quest NPCs. Who have we got? Cleretic fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Aug 1, 2023 |
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Cleretic posted:My concern about 'what if it's the First's moon and then goes through multiple moons' is twofold: We know Zero made it to the First, so Ryne Zero and Lyna can probably be worked into a story trust team. Ryne could be an all rounder (Gunbreaker, her original Rogue style Oracle, light based healer) and Lyna can be two (tank, dancer) or Zero being two (tank, reaper). Comedy option, Feo Ul Duty Support. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Aug 1, 2023 |
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Cleretic posted:My concern about 'what if it's the First's moon and then goes through multiple moons' is twofold: Ryne: Tank/Heal (Urinager's Astrolobe)/DPS Lyna: Tank/DPS Zero: DPS There you go. Same spread as Kiteros
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I think you guys are way overthinking this.
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"Urinager" is a particularly unfortunate typo
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Blockhouse posted:I think you guys are way overthinking this.
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Aug 1, 2023 04:07
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Giott will tank for us.
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Aug 1, 2023 04:10
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I'm gonna knock a chip off the Crystal Exarch and make an amulet out of it while I'm there
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Aug 1, 2023 04:12
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Lord_Magmar posted:Comedy option, Feo Ul Duty Support. This is the way. We've gone too far and done too much without asking our poor ever-suffering branch for help.
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That's true, they might have events on the First lead up to the dungeon, maybe with a solo duty or something to give Ryne something to do, followed by the WoL and Zero porting to the source to meet up with the actual duty team. It would be really cool if the duty support system could tolerate characters changing mid dungeon so you could have a forced party at first that switches over later or something, but that would be very new tech.
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I'm guessing the whole dungeon is on the Thirteenth's moon and the scenery change they don't want to show is when it heads into Worstways Burrow full of void corrupted Loporrits
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FuturePastNow posted:I'm guessing the whole dungeon is on the Thirteenth's moon and the scenery change they don't want to show is when it heads into Worstways Burrow full of void corrupted Loporrits I sincerely doubt there are Loporrits on the shards, otherwise part of Thancred's motivation in the actual 6.0 MSQ becomes a lot less meaningful. Since he is (understandably) against abandoning the other shards which is what the Hydaelyn/Loporrit plan will do.
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