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Mordja posted:Definitely the happiest season, overall. Nobody even died! Well, except for a couple militia, a Bonker Boy, *maybe* that PA who got brained by a light. Oh yeah, and Dusty. You can see the PA get back up at the end, so the only casualty in the last episode was the Bonker Boy who got brained by Baby Billy's bigass noggin. And Peter's leg, I guess.
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Mordja posted:So are all megachurches Evangical or something? There aren't any that are, like, Lutheran or whatever? Depends on your definition of evangelical but there are megachurchs of every Christian branch and Christian- adjacent cults. The broader definition is anyone within Christianity who believes the Bible is solely highest authority. This is clearly distinct from Catholicism for obvious reasons. Under than definition Lutherans would be considered Evangelicals. You can get more specific and say it’s anyone who actively engages in missions and spreading the “good news” which could kick out some denominations or churches. People often compare Mainline Protestantism vs Evangelicalism as Liberal vs Conservative but that’s not really accurate. Mainline Protestantism vs Evangelicalism are effectively the same thing and everyone uses the words in different ways. A good example of this is that John Wesley is considered one of the founders of the evangelical movement but is also the originator of the Methodist church which is considered mainline. Even within the Methodist church you have 2 different major splits that happened… churches that supported slavery and churches that didn’t… then churches that support lgbt marriage and churches that don’t. Within those organizations you can find a lot of variation depending on the organization, pastor, etc. Adventists - the end is near Anabaptists - a generally more extreme and doctrinal branch of Protestantism. Amish fall here Baptists - The stereotypical fire and brimstone southern church. While there is a lot of variety within the Baptist church it is overwhelmingly heavily conservative, racist, and homophobic especially Southern or Red River Calvinists - Has a lot of generally decent people that believe in improving the world especially in developing nations. Episcopalians/Angelicans - Catholic-lite. No pope or singular leader but very ritualistic. Generally more conservative. Lutheran - Also Catholic-lite. But more liberal. Generally not assholes. Methodist - Wesleyans were anti-slavery, United methodist is pro lgbt. Global Methodists are the new homophobic ones Pentecostals - Tongues, snakes, or just lots of singing and chanting. Mixed bag from very liberal to very awful There are lots of other smaller branches but these cover the largest Protestant branches. A lot of words to say that it is difficult to tell an individual church’s beliefs/doctrine based on just whether it calls itself evangelical or not. A much more accurate picture is with which organization is it affiliated. Calvinists, Lutherans, and United Methodists are generally decent people who aren’t assholes about their faith and are accepting of ethnicity, genders/sexual orientation, and other human differences. Baptists are generally the biggest assholes. Tons of variation within and outside the above though.
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Saltpowered posted:Calvinists, Lutherans, and United Methodists are generally decent people who aren’t assholes about their faith and are accepting of ethnicity, genders/sexual orientation, and other human differences. Baptists are generally the biggest assholes. Tons of variation within and outside the above though. Grew up UMC can confirm most of this post, although there are multiple branches of Lutherans that are pretty rough. My dad grew up Missouri Synod and that’s one of those branches where they still don’t let women into roles of power.
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I can also see the Gemstones being homophobes on stage, but fine with it in their personal lives.
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It’s interesting how the characters are nicer to each other but not reformed at the end of each season. Jesse can’t acknowledge his gray hair, and everyone is delighted to be destroying suits of armor and popcorn machines. I’m watching metal monsters: the righteous Redeemer, about making the truck, and at least one of the guys is huge fan. Wynne told they’re working on the project, one says “is the monster truck for Baby Billy?” I also love that the smart Montgomery’s were still defeated by children in Bible trivia, and one of dancing boys got the ultimate Bible bonk. I guess they’ll have to put in a memorium at the end of the episode.
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chopper dick dont click unless youre at church https://imgur.com/a/IXh7a7H
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It was weird when Peter just randomly survives the explosion sans a lower leg, but whatever. Maybe they will include him next season. And I think they probably should include something involving the homophobia expressed by the evangelical community in the next season. They can deal with serious issues like covid and militias, they will have to cover how the community feels about Kelvin being gay.
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That was one of the best episodes of television I've ever seen. Bawled my eyes out and loved how big a swerve it took. I'm a sucker for stories where the antagonist is Redeemed Through the Power of Love. Peter should definitely be in prison, but I didn't even care because I'm happy that the Montgomerys got their real dad back. Felt a little too convenient that no one was hurt in Chuck's explosion, because that parking lot was completely wrecked. Does Eli just pay for all the damages and suddenly no one is arrested? Nitpicking though because thematically the story works wonders. The locust ending was astounding. It goes full horror for a little bit, which this show does very well. McBride et al always know how to wield pops of violence to perfection. Like Will Ferrell's cannon in Eastbound or the tiger in Vice Principals. This though, I've never seen an "Act of God" climax that worked this well and felt totally earned despite seemingly coming out of left field. This might have been my favorite season of the show (though it's never fully recovered from losing Scott MacArthur even if he went out perfectly). I hope Gideon gets more to do next season than just Being Cool. And that Kelvin's sexuality is a good plotline. Excited to see what hosed up antagonist comes next.
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Poopbutt posted:I still don't understand how no one is talking about the cock helicopter foreplay scene. It was one of the greatest things I have ever seen. Discussing that scene is like dancing to architecture
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Saltpowered posted:Depends on your definition of evangelical but there are megachurchs of every Christian branch and Christian- adjacent cults. The broader definition is anyone within Christianity who believes the Bible is solely highest authority. This is clearly distinct from Catholicism for obvious reasons. Under than definition Lutherans would be considered Evangelicals. Calvinists can definitely be assholes about their faith. After all, one of the core tenets is double predestination - not only has God already chosen who's going to heaven, but has also decided who is going to hell. This can give them a mild superiority complex and that can absolutely manifest in a lot of subtle racism, ostracism of those who are different, etc. They do tend to do a lot of mission work though, that much is true - it's part of building God's kingdom on earth. Source: Grew up Calvinist. Source 2: You know Betsy DeVos? Yeah she's a Calvinist.
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I'm gonna skip ahead to avoid spoilers but can anyone get a gif of Amber's reaction after Judy says "it's okay he's my uncle?" What am amazing face.
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DC Murderverse posted:You can do both, it’s not a binary. I’m not asking for them to have a subplot about revealing that Eli spend decades covering up for child abusers but having a show about a southern mega church where one of the leaders is gay and everyone is just cool with it would be like Brooklyn 99 trying to have their cake and eat it too for years before everyone was like “wait why is this show about NYPD officers full of goofy happy diverse people who don’t exist in real life because NYPD officers, to a man, suck poo poo?” Colin Robinson? Some people just like to watch tv and have fun, not analyze everything and bring every loving real world problem into WORLDS OF MAKE BELIEVE. Amazing episode of one of the best shows in years. Everything was perfect. ChesterJT fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Aug 1, 2023 |
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Mirotic posted:Calvinists can definitely be assholes about their faith. After all, one of the core tenets is double predestination - not only has God already chosen who's going to heaven, but has also decided who is going to hell. This can give them a mild superiority complex and that can absolutely manifest in a lot of subtle racism, ostracism of those who are different, etc. They do tend to do a lot of mission work though, that much is true - it's part of building God's kingdom on earth. I’m leaving west Michigan and those Christian reformed church people behind. Bible Belt of the north is right. Also Peter should have continued to drive a Ryder Truck but maybe that would have been too much. Would have been in line with the season if he got some mk ultra like conditioning in prison. However, that militia would definitely have a fed or a mole in it. sonatinas fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Aug 1, 2023 |
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sonatinas posted:I’m leaving west Michigan and those Christian reformed church people behind. Bible Belt of the north is right. I have family in west Michigan and that is a very good assessment, holy poo poo. Anyway, echoing the praise for this season. I like that, almost despite themselves, and in their own idiosyncratic way, the younger Gemstones are actually able to grow. Very intrigued to see how the Gideon / Eli relationship develops, and if it threatens Jesse at all when he's finally ascendant. He might be growing but that doesn't mean he can't backslide.
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ChesterJT posted:Colin Robinson? I’m sure there are some hourlong videos of jangling keys soundtracked with fart noises waiting for you on YouTube if all you want is moving pictures and a laff
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What a fantastic ending! Jesus. I need to get back to Vice Principals now. Finished EBD a couple weeks back and that’s still an all timer but drat these last two were so loving good. Shine by Dolly was perfect. I thought it was a track from her new “rock” album coming out but it’s from 2001. She can do no wrong.
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I play a LOT of GTA Online and I have a monster truck-like vehicle. Gonna sing Redeemer whenever I barge into my friend's game with it. Also, am I the only one who wanted more Iliza Shlesinger? I love her 
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Keefe riding piggyback on Karl during the end montage was cute
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DC Murderverse posted:I’m sure there are some hourlong videos of jangling keys soundtracked with fart noises waiting for you on YouTube if all you want is moving pictures and a laff Lol god
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i don't think they're gonna lean too hard into a conflict with the church's homophobia and Kelvin because it would be a huge bummer and not very funny compared to stuff like muscular boys and bible bonkers
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Caught up last night on the finale. Some thoughts! - This was the best season. I am really stunned at how great it was, but they definitely wrote a "just in case" ending, because that could have easily been a satisfying series finale. - I still don't know how this show takes these goofy rear end people and make me care so much. - The cape twirling between Jesse and Simkins at the sword and pistols club was so silly and I laughed way harder at that than I should have, probably. - Helicopter dick took me a second to process what was going on, but once I did, I was aghast and laughing my rear end off. - Glad they moved Kelvin forward finally, but there's no way that won't be at least some sort of sub-plot for s4. - Judy continues her rein as my favorite character just on account of how absolutely twisted and chaotic she is. - Uncle Baby Billy and the partying flashback was absolute gold. Since there is a debate about the "whitewashing of evangelicals" going on, I've always interpreted it as A) this is a comedy show, not Dateline, so being funny comes first. B) The Gemstones will do/say whatever they need to in order to keep those tithes flowing in, in spite of believing things their congregation doesn't necessarily believe in all cases. There is a lot of "do as I say, not as I do" going on from the very beginning of the show. I'd think eventually it would come back to bite them, but we've been shown that it has at least a few times (ie: Y2K flashback) and they figure out the next clever turn of phrase to get out of it... just like real churches. In short, I never got around to a rewatch of s2 before s3, so I'll be rewatching both sooner than later. Especially since there's no telling when s4 will ever be able to begin production with the strikes.
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Caesar Saladin posted:i don't think they're gonna lean too hard into a conflict with the church's homophobia and Kelvin because it would be a huge bummer and not very funny compared to stuff like muscular boys and bible bonkers Life is cruel! Why should entertainment be any different! - Davy Jones
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The show requires that we like the Gemstones just a little, even as we recognize their flaws, and making any of them overtly bigoted would pretty much kill that for a substantial portion of the audience. You could argue that softens the satire a little, but I think it also opens the show up to do more complex things with Evangelical Christianity, and just for them to paint their own surreal, appealing-but-screwed-up world. Honestly I keep going back to The Godfather, which wasn't a realistic portrayal of the Mafia but has certain human truths to it.
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Doronin posted:- Judy continues her rein as my favorite character just on account of how absolutely twisted and chaotic she is. Yeah Judy is astounding, I don't think anything on the show will approach the "full on snail trail" speech from season 1, but even when I think other characters are showing stronger character moments Judy will pull something amazing out. Her last scenes this season where she talked about how expensive and shady The System was, then immediately following it up by Doing Compliments at Amber was just an perfect sequence.
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Caesar Saladin posted:i don't think they're gonna lean too hard into a conflict with the church's homophobia and Kelvin because it would be a huge bummer and not very funny compared to stuff like muscular boys and bible bonkers I doubt they'd get into the really ugly culture war stuff with people screaming at Kelvin that he's a groomer etc., but I also don't think they're going to just ignore it. My guess is that it's probably going to be framed mostly in terms of internal conflict: Kelvin is going to want to go public and/or get married, everyone else is going to want him to make compromises on his relationship for the good of the church. Gemstones isn't a show about serious social issues, it's a show about silly family squabbling, so this is going to be a vehicle for family squabbles first and foremost.
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Edi Patterson is so amazing. There's something she brings to the part that's just unquantifiable.
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The height of the show’s Covid references was goddamn elixirs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6IRIaFiiIQ
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Maxwell Lord posted:The show requires that we like the Gemstones just a little, even as we recognize their flaws, and making any of them overtly bigoted would pretty much kill that for a substantial portion of the audience. You could argue that softens the satire a little, but I think it also opens the show up to do more complex things with Evangelical Christianity, and just for them to paint their own surreal, appealing-but-screwed-up world. I don't think anyone has argued that the Gemstones themselves should attack Kelvin for being gay. Maybe that's what you're hung up on. We're saying that their congregation is bound to have a statistically significant amount of bigots who will be upset that Kelvin is gay and are upset that he's running the youth ministry.
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Jesse: "Oh, are we doing giggles?" And.... Judy: "I was doing compliments..." I love how childish their speech is. Tim Robinson could be a great addition to the cast for S4, especially if he ends up talking with Jesse and/or Judy. Also, when I hadn't heard about Dusty in a while before he was brought up again near the end, it reminded me how S2 similarly completely dropped the Jason Schwartzman plot throughout until the very end. But it all came together.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Edi Patterson is so amazing. There's something she brings to the part that's just unquantifiable. They do a really great job casting the show, whether it's a known actor or someone most people aren't familiar with. But, then there's next level poo poo when they get someone really special that totally fits in and gets what McBride and Hill are going for. They got something amazing with Edi in Vice Principals and this show. And who knew Walton Goggins got it as well.
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