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"I have no idea what I'm doing" is pretty much Phoenix's m.o. in a nutshell while he is the protagonist.
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Jul 29, 2023 16:57
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I'm pretty sure neither the badge nor the bullet would be magnetic. Bullets are chiefly lead or copper, and attorney's badges are silver and gold. While those materials aren't ferromagnetic, they still interact with and distort a magnetic field. They're also good conductors, so they must interact strongly with a changing magnetic field. Fairly standard video example
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Jul 29, 2023 17:32
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I almost added a "for the colloquial definition of 'magnetic', i.e. ferromagnetic and absent an external field" disclaimer to my post, but I figured no one would be pedantic enough to point that out. I've been outplayed. 
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Jul 29, 2023 17:41
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I almost added a "for the colloquial definition of 'magnetic', i.e. ferromagnetic and absent an external field" disclaimer to my post, but I figured no one would be pedantic enough to point that out.  That's how a metal detector works, it's incredibly relevant right now.Although I wish the correct solution was indeed to put the attorney badge on von Karma's old wound and make it stick.
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Jul 29, 2023 17:51
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I am aware of how a metal detector works and that the physical process involves magnetic pulses, but its reaction is triggered by electrically conductive materials, i.e. metals, which include the prime components of both bullets and badges. I don't think it's a material distinction with regard to the initial question!
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Jul 29, 2023 18:05
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I played Aviary Attorney before ever
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Jul 29, 2023 22:03
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Xander77 posted:I played Aviary Attorney before ever Did a parrot take the stand?
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Jul 29, 2023 23:25
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This is one of my favorite lines in the series and perfectly encapsulates the experience.
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Jul 30, 2023 03:00
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theshim posted:This is one of my favorite lines in the series and perfectly encapsulates the experience. Mia, you're talking to a guy that put a bird on the stand in a case where a guilty verdict already got declared, this is positively boring in comparison.
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Jul 30, 2023 05:23
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You'll be singing a different tune when it turns out the bullet was the mastermind of the case and von Karma was merely an unwitting patsy obeying its orders.
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Jul 30, 2023 07:48
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The bullet was possessed by the ghost of the person Yogi fired the gun at the previous day.
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Jul 30, 2023 07:52
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Bah, ninja'd by an entire page of discussion about this that got posted in the time i took to post. Foiled again! So how exactly does one go about not getting a bullet wound treated? Can you just leave a bullet in your body and be perfectly fine? That seems... unsafe, and noticeable by the people around you. Truthkeeper fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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Jul 30, 2023 12:05
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If I understand correctly, removing a lodged bullet is not necessarily safe either, and it is possible for the bullet to settle inside the body and not be a further risk. So basically Manfred got lucky as the bullet didn't strike anything unreplaceable, he walked off the wound with a lot of home rest (plus industrial consumption of antibiotics one assumes and maybe some homemade stitching), and the bullet settled nicely.
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Jul 30, 2023 12:20
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He also might be like that James Bond villain Reynard from World is Not Enough. Bullet inside his body he refuses to remove as a reminder of his past errors and it’s messing with his head.
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Jul 30, 2023 13:27
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Truthkeeper posted:So how exactly does one go about not getting a bullet wound treated? Can you just leave a bullet in your body and be perfectly fine? That seems... unsafe, and noticeable by the people around you. There are advantages and disadvantages, and it's actually still a contentious issue in medical research. If the bullet is not near a major artery, etc. and is not actively causing infection, then it was actually pretty common to leave the bullet in, because removing the bullet may cause further scarring and damaging muscles/tissue that were regenerating around the bullet. There's also the fact bullets don't always remain intact in a bullet wound, and it's even more traumatic to go poking around looking for bullet shards. That said, recent research suggests the bullets in wounds may actually be a cause of lead poisoning, so it's not like it's entirely safe either. And the fact that research is recent indicates that it's still under debate.
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Jul 30, 2023 13:38
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Truthkeeper posted:So how exactly does one go about not getting a bullet wound treated? Can you just leave a bullet in your body and be perfectly fine? That seems... unsafe, and noticeable by the people around you. To add what others have said, Theodore Roosevelt, after getting shot by a would-be assassin, kept that bullet inside him the rest of his life (another 7 years). As it had only made it as far as chest muscle and not into the pulmonary pleurae or lungs, doctors basically decided it was better to leave it in than try to operate and exacerbate things. This was especially relevant since Roosevelet's presidential predecessor, William McKinley, had died more of a result of the operation to try and remove the bullets from his body (i.e. the wounds had not been cleaned or drained and thus gangrene happened) rather than the injuries from actually being shot. More anecdotally, the father of a classmate of mine in elementary school was paralyzed from the waist down in a hunting accident. The bullet was lodged near his spine and was never removed because doctors were concerned that if they tried to operate, it could result in him becoming quadraplegic. Granted this was the 1990s, I don't know if surgery has advanced to the point they can be more precise with such things these days, but it's generally all situational.
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Jul 30, 2023 14:24
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Incidentally, a neat detail about Manfred. The flashback suggests that Manfred was struck around his shoulder by the stray bullet Edgeworth fired.  It's not immediately apparent in a still image, but whenever Manfred folds his arm like this, the animation gives him a habit of tensing his fingers in his right arm. He also grimaces a lot more whenever he's doing this.
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Jul 30, 2023 14:43
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I mean, if we're pointing to Manfred's animations, he also did this yesterday:
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Jul 30, 2023 14:59
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Part 115: Episode 4, Final Day, Trial: Lost and Found Wow, apparently everyone was excited about this vote, despite it not being all that close; we eclipsed our last high for voters by 30%!  A useful detection device, indeed...    So then, I ask, where is that bullet now?  ...!Sound: Light Bulb You... you don't mean!  I do. Sound: Desk Slam  Sound: Objection quote:The failures this late in the game are short and to the point.  Sound: Gallery  Sound: Gavel x 3  Sound: Whack  Well, there's one way to find out.Sound: Desk Slam   Well, von Karma? Sound: Drama Pound   Sound: Realization We've finally broken through on Karma!  I... refuse!Sound: Desk Slam Y-you refuse...!? But, refusing this means...Sound: Stab  Sound: Guilty   Sound: Gallery Sound: Gavel x 3  Order! Order! Order!Sound: Desk Slam   Sound: Damage 2 Sound: Whack  Sound: Desk Slam It was you who said we had to end it right here, right now! Mm... mmmph! Sound: Gavel Music: Silence Enough! I permit the use of the metal detector. Taking a step back here, wow what a violation of Karma's rights. There's no actual evidence against him or reason to search him. The judge is just going along with Phoenix's wild conjectures. Which I guess is fair because the judge has been going along with whatever Karma wanted up until now...  Nick! What does this mean...?    Sound: Beep I was curious, but a metal detector would, in fact, pick up on a bullet. It really does rely just on metal's conductivity rather than something strictly being magnetic. (Multiple people in the thread pointed out this fact as well.)  Fun fact: All of Karma's animations only move his left arm; his right arm remains motionless. Including when we got tased the day before. (The bullet!) Mr. von Karma...? ... You!  ... And so, I remained silent.Sound: Realization Music: Suspense ...? Indeed, there is a bullet in my shoulder. Prove it! We're the prosecuters now! (Oh wait, we're not, we're still going to have to prove it ourselves.) What!?Sound: Light Bulb  I was shot in the shoulder long before the DL-6 Incident! Sound: Fwa-Shing 2   Sound: Gallery Sound: Gavel  "Prove"?  I have no obligation to prove anything!Life as prosecutor in Ace Attorney land, everyone.  Not I. M-Mr. Wright? Well? Can you prove it? Depends on how bloody you're willing to get. Of course he can't!  All but one piece, thanks to Maya. And I think it's all we'll need.  So sorry, Mr. Wright. Music: Silence  Sound: Realization Phoenix has got this one all on his own. Wh-what!?Sound: Light Bulb  You were close... one day away from freedom. Sound: Drama Pound Music: Suspense  Wh-what!?Sound: Stab  I can link that bullet in your shoulder to the DL-6 Incident...Sound: Desk Slam   This would be proof, if the judge will allow us to dig that other bullet out of Karma's shoulder. Would the ballistic markings on the bullet in Karma be intact after all these years? Let's find out! Th-that's... Sound: Realization quote:The final failure: Music: Silence  Sound: Whack Music: Pressing Pursuit - Cornered Time for my favorite track, the "you're about to win" theme. This is the bullet used in the DL-6 Incident.  Sound: Desk Slam  Sound: Realization The callback to using ballistic markings - explained on the first day of trial - is a very nice touch here, even if it was spoiled a bit when we first acquired the bullet. Ballistic markings...Sound: Wipe  It came up in the first trial, two days ago. All bullets fired from a gun are marked with that weapon's unique pattern. It's quite accurate. We have two bullets in our possession.  We could analyze both bullets... Then, if the markings matched...Sound: Desk Slam   Mmmph... mmmph! Mr. von Karma?  The statute of limitations runs out today, after all. We must do everything we can to find the killer today! Sound: Desk Slam And solve this case once and for all!Music: Silence  Sound: Objection Mmmrrrrrrgggh! Sound: Damage 2 x 3 Sound: Drama Pound x 2  Sound: Damage 2 Sound: Drama Pound  Sound: Damage 2 Sound: Drama Pound  Sound: Guilty Now Karma done hosed up. We're about to have some real evidence we can use today.  After all, we still have a witness on the stand. Wait... I know!Sound: Wipe Music: Recollection ~ The DL-6 Incident   "Quiet! I said quiet! You're not making this any easier!" "Stop breathing my air! I'll... I'll stop you!" "Stop breathing my aaaaair!"Sound: Objection  Sound: Guilty  Sound: Guilty  Music: Silence  Sound: Weak Gunshot  Sound: Stab 2 Music: Recollection ~ The DL-6 Incident  Fifteen years ago...Music: Silence  Sound: Objection Sound: Drama Pound  Sound: Gallery Sound: Gavel x 3 Mr. von Karma? Sound: Roar x 2  Sound: Roar x 3  Sound: Roar x 3 Sound: Roar  Sound: Guilty  Sound: Desk Slam Hey, look at you with your right arm elevated, good for you man.  Sound: Desk Slam x 3  Sound: Desk Slam  Sound: Desk Slam x 16 Sound: Desk Slam x 6 Uh, suffice to say there were too many headbangs in there for me to capture in a GIF. Hold on, let me put a smaller one on loop for you all..  Music: Recollection ~ The DL-6 Incident     Given this prosecution office, I assume the error is getting caught, rather than faking evidence itself. I... was careless. I'm sorry, but you will have to be penalized.  ...!Sound: Shock 2 Edgeworth!!!Sound: Wipe  I don't really need the Karma characterization here guys, we know he's an evil dick. Me? Penalized!? He was so shocked he didn't even realize an earthquake had happened. Suddenly, I found myself in the darkness... I was in the court records room. "How can I fake some more evidence to cover up my prior faking evidence?" The room was pitch black. The lights must have gone out. I pressed the button, but nothing happened. Then... there was a noise!Music: Silence  Sound: Weak Gunshot Music: Suspense  Hold up. Did the lights not go out in the court records room until several hours after the earthquake? Or did Karma stand at the elevator door in a fog for hours until he got shot? Wasn't it five hours that Edgeworth and crew were trapped in that elevator? Eh, I guess it doesn't matter at this point.  Elevator: We have detected a gunshot, I guess we should open the door now.  Much to my surprise, a pistol lay at my feet. I knew then... it was destiny.Music: Silence  Sound: Weak Gunshot Now, isn't that the same animation as in the prologue? So you think it was showing the DL-6 Incident the whole time? Left-handed shooters are probably pretty rare...  He died, never knowing who had shot him. Later, he spoke through a medium, blaming Mr. Yogi. Tsk tsk tsk... Sound: Fwa-Shing 2 Music: Trial Judge! Wh-what? What are you doing!? Karma: Still a dick while confessing to murder. Now! End it! V-very well.Sound: Gavel  "Mr. Wright, I never want to see you in my courtroom again, your trials give me a headache." Fifteen years later... Mr. Miles Edgeworth? Yes, Your Honor. Innocent of the DL-6 Incident fifteen years ago. And innocent of the Hammond killing three days ago. ... Yes, Your Honor.Music: Silence Sound: Gavel   Sound: Guilty x 2  Sound: Gallery Cheer Sound: Gavel   Edgeworth, you owe us big time.
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Er... Sorry.
(I'm really not sure how I've managed to make it this far...)
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Karma has found and punished von Karma, at long last.
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Aug 1, 2023 04:40
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Don't make me agree with the bad guy, game. I don't think you can force someone to get surgery in order to produce evidence.  von Karma is a terrible person, for sure, but I have to wonder if he would've committed murder were the situation not perfectly gift wrapped for him and he was shot moments prior, which only put him in an aggressive state of mind.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:
Well, he was the one who planned Hammond's murder almost 15 years later, just so he could frame Edgeworth. I completely forgot (or never quite grokked) that von Karma apparently wandered around in the dark for hours before it registered to him that the lights were out. He was really out of ot, apparently.
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Aug 1, 2023 05:19
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I'm not sure if surgery warrants are a thing, but I'm assuming there's no precedent for what the proper course of action is if a prosecutor demands the speedy and thorough resolution of a trial because it is on the last day of its statute of limitations, and that same prosecutor is later credibly accused of concealing evidence within his own body. I think it falls under the universal court room drama "no backsies" clause, where if one party makes an extraordinary demand and has it sustained, it will remain in effect once the tide inevitably turns against them.
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Aug 1, 2023 05:44
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Man, Japanifornia v. Edgeworth is gonna make for some fuckin wild citations.
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Aug 1, 2023 06:37
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So many players completely forgot about the metal detector until this point and had their brains explode when they realized what they were going to do. These games are bananas on toast wild, and I love it.
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Aug 1, 2023 06:53
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You made it, Phoenix.
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Aug 1, 2023 07:11
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I love that the metal detector comes back in such a creative way. It always remains kind of confusing how Phoenix treats items in the court record as his inventory even if he doesn't actually have them anymore, but this is one of those parts of the game that blows my mind. The foreshadowing with Von Karma's posture is also great (though I misremembered which arm it was and thought he was always clutching his left arm in pain)
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:
To be fair, the judge okayed the use of the metal detector for that reaction, not surgery. It's noninvasive, and the only issue would be if Von Karma had a pacemaker or similar implanted medical device, which he could disclose in private with the judge if necessary. Surgery is particularly more thorny, but the judge doesn't specifically allow it - Karma confesses before the judge needs to make a call one way or the other.
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Aug 1, 2023 08:43
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Man, if I ever have to go on trial, I am so hiring Phoenix Wright.
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achtungnight posted:Man, if I ever have to go on trial, I am so hiring Phoenix Wright. Does... Phoenix even get paid?
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achtungnight posted:Man, if I ever have to go on trial, I am so hiring Phoenix Wright. You have to be innocent though. Ace Attorney Agency policy. :P
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Aug 1, 2023 11:20
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Yet another benefit!
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I love how... Telenovela all this series is. It's gorgeous. Absolutely delicious.
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Aug 1, 2023 12:36
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ApplesandOranges posted:Does... Phoenix even get paid? The big mystery of the series. I mean, I assume Will Powers and Edgeworth weren't pro bono cases even if the latter is absolutely getting a family and friends discount and then some.
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Aug 1, 2023 12:53
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Does Phoenix get to charge Edgeworth for two trials here? He did just get the guy declared "Not Guilty" twice in one day...
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Aug 1, 2023 13:19
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Omobono posted:The big mystery of the series. I think the answer is yes, but not much. He still has the office, and we know Grossberg also has an office, so defense lawyers do get paid. Presumably Phoenix is also doing some boring cases of little note between the big cases as well to keep the lights on. He's certainly not wealthy, but he's not starving either. Presumably as his reputation rises, he'll get more high profile folks who will pay him more, but we'll see how his financial situation pans out as the series progresses.
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Aug 1, 2023 13:27
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At the very least, he's probably making more than poor Gumshoe.
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Dirk the Average posted:I think the answer is yes, but not much. He still has the office, and we know Grossberg also has an office, so defense lawyers do get paid. Presumably Phoenix is also doing some boring cases of little note between the big cases as well to keep the lights on. He's certainly not wealthy, but he's not starving either. Presumably as his reputation rises, he'll get more high profile folks who will pay him more, but we'll see how his financial situation pans out as the series progresses. Possibly, but he does mention there were no cases between Mia's death and Will Power's framing.
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I've said it before, and I still stand by it: Phoenix is well compensated, but there are months between each trial so he ends up working like 12 days a year, in order to keep up his cartoonishly poor anime protagonist lifestyle. We have yet to see any text that contradicts this, nor indications of any smaller trials or other side hustles. and frankly, I have a lot of respect for that
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