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Aug 1, 2023 04:01
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Willo567 posted:Honest question - wouldn't it be better to use the drones to target military bases in Moscow where they store missiles and drones, rather than aiming them at government buildings? I know that Ukraine wants to scare Russians to convince them to protest against the war and have Putin pull out, but I think it's just going to make them angry and not help much in the long run As has been stated like fifty times in the past few pages, but I know you don't read, we don't actually know what the intended target was because Russia claimed they shot it down with EW and it just happened to crash into that office. If they WERE targeting that building, they likely were wanting to blow up the defense offices near there. It's still a hell of a lot more relevant targetting than what Russia does.
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Aug 1, 2023 04:03
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Bertha the Toaster posted:If this is true it really sells the message of "we did it once with ease and we can do it again any time we want". Guys, I don't think the Russians intercepted that drone.
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Aug 1, 2023 04:05
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beer_war posted:Guys, I don't think the Russians intercepted that drone. That's just what the lamestream media wants you to think, westoid.
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Aug 1, 2023 04:13
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beer_war posted:Guys, I don't think the Russians intercepted that drone. The missile was successfully intercepted by an office building.
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Aug 1, 2023 04:16
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the holy poopacy posted:The missile was successfully intercepted by an office building. thats what we call "ground-based air defenses"
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Aug 1, 2023 04:20
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No better way to demonstrate the impotence of the russian defense forces than to repeatedly 9/11 drones into government ministry offices in the center of the imperial capital with impunity
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Aug 1, 2023 04:33
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HonorableTB posted:No better way to demonstrate the impotence of the russian defense forces than to repeatedly 9/11 drones into government ministry offices in the center of the imperial capital with impunity  did anyone say "sir a second drone has hit the tower" yet
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Aug 1, 2023 04:45
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tiaz posted:
Ukraine War: A second drone has hit the tower
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Aug 1, 2023 05:05
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Kchama posted:As has been stated like fifty times in the past few pages, but I know you don't read, we don't actually know what the intended target was because Russia claimed they shot it down with EW and it just happened to crash into that office. If they WERE targeting that building, they likely were wanting to blow up the defense offices near there. I'm not ready to believe the whole "we jammed the drone and it wasn't able to hit the real target" thing yet. The Russians have to say SOMETHING, but when can we ever take them at face value? When have they ever not spun something for propaganda? To Willo's question: from the Ukrainian perspective, I do think there's value in this kind of attack, but only if done sparingly. While the majority of their weapons need to be used on hard military targets, popular support is what keeps the war alive. By hitting Russia in the heart of its golden immortal city, Ukraine can undermine the Russian narrative and show to the people that they're being lied to. At the same time, they have to be careful about what in Moscow they target. Anything Civilian would (I can't overstress this: rightly) be seen as a war crime. I could also see that fueling war support if they hit the Kremlin directly. Hitting an empty government building twice to make Russians question their worldview is definitely worth trying when all Ukraine wants is to end the war. But as far as I know the Ukrainians haven't officially commented on whether or not there was a different "real" target, and we may never know.
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Aug 1, 2023 05:07
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HonorableTB posted:Ukraine War: A second drone has hit the tower  Vaginaface posted:I'm not ready to believe the whole "we jammed the drone and it wasn't able to hit the real target" thing yet. The Russians have to say SOMETHING, but when can we ever take them at face value? When have they ever not spun something for propaganda? I agree with you. Ukraine has been pretty cautious about target selection, and being on the receiving end of terror bombing this whole time they're probably well aware that it doesn't really work, and even if not they can't afford to antagonize their NATO partners.
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Aug 1, 2023 05:16
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HonorableTB posted:Ukrainian railroads are a different gauge than Russian ones and Ukraine specifically spent a lot of time, money, and energy tearing up railroad crossings from Russia into Ukraine to make it harder for an invasion to move supplies by rail in the event Russia captured Ukrainian railway hubs. Ukrainian gauge is 1520mm (known as broad gauge) and Russia uses 1524mm and is called the "Russian gauge" because Russia was paranoid about invaders using Soviet railways, ironically. Even if they used every bit of logistics capacity on the border of eastern Ukraine and western Russia, they'd still hit that bottleneck. It's one of the reasons why they jumped off the invasion in the east after moving in to occupy Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts first where they already had control. It let Russia use the Ukrainian rails and rolling stock to aid the initial push russia has the gauge it has because a czar hired some american guy to build russia's first railroad, and he used that specific gauge fear of invasions or the soviet union had nothing to do with it
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Aug 1, 2023 05:24
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Would a 4mm difference in gage keep them from using the Ukrainian rails? I have a hard time believing they are that precise in the field.
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Aug 1, 2023 05:43
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/douglaslondon5/status/1683912123775082509?s=20
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Aug 1, 2023 05:45
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winnydpu posted:Would a 4mm difference in gage keep them from using the Ukrainian rails? I have a hard time believing they are that precise in the field. After a cursory wiki search, apparently it is not as big of a deal as we are making it out to be. The 4mm is within tolerance for both types. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_ft_and_1520_mm_gauge_railways “If the gauge of the rolling stock is kept within certain limits, through running between 1,520 mm (4 ft 11+27⁄32 in) railways and Finnish 1,524 mm (5 ft) railways is allowed. Since both 1,520 and 1,524 mm are within tolerances, the difference is tolerable.”
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Aug 1, 2023 06:03
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my balls aren't worried enough to attract the nukes any advice
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Aug 1, 2023 06:17
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Bertha the Toaster posted:If this is true it really sells the message of "we did it once with ease and we can do it again any time we want".  P E A R L C L U T C H I N G I N T E N S I F I E S
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Aug 1, 2023 06:20
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TEMPLE GRANDIN OS posted:my balls aren't worried enough to attract the nukes any advice Have you tried powering up?
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Aug 1, 2023 06:21
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beer_war posted:Guys, I don't think the Russians intercepted that drone. Random rear end poo poo
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Aug 1, 2023 06:22
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ChubbyChecker posted:russia has the gauge it has because a czar hired some american guy to build russia's first railroad, and he used that specific gauge hah hot drat, you're right. I looked it up and that's a popular belief but ultimately a myth. Thanks for correcting
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Aug 1, 2023 06:31
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I'm waiting to hear Steven Seagull was lost after Ukrainian forces moved into such-and-such.
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Aug 1, 2023 06:36
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Plan R posted:I'm waiting to hear Steven Seagull was lost after Ukrainian forces moved into such-and-such. he will not be snatching every muthafuckin birthday
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Aug 1, 2023 06:39
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Willo567 posted:Honest question - wouldn't it be better to use the drones to target military bases in Moscow where they store missiles and drones, rather than aiming them at government buildings? I know that Ukraine wants to scare Russians to convince them to protest against the war and have Putin pull out, but I think it's just going to make them angry and not help much in the long run The long-range drones have a payload of maybe as much as 5kg. Better to make a statement in the heart of Moscow with that than to start a small fire on a supply dump. Hitting an airbase and taking out a Tu-22 would be great, but those bases are probably the best defended pieces of Russian soil. It's actually plausible that the Kremlin isn't lying when they said they EW'd that drone. Hypothetical: They jammed the first one and it went off course and it hit that building. The next night, another drone comes in for the same original target, they jam it, and here we are again. Still, I appreciate very much that they're only hitting government targets. I do not like the risk assessment they did. Any chance of killing Russian citizens is too much. It's not fair, but I get paid to say, "what's the worst that could happen?" When the answer is "your foreign support dries up", that's a huge risk. They might have private assurances, but they don't hold any weight with the voting base of a democracy, certainly not with Russia waving the bloody shirt through every possible medium.
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Aug 1, 2023 06:54
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ChubbyChecker posted:russia has the gauge it has because a czar hired some american guy to build russia's first railroad, and he used that specific gauge I can't believe the US has done this
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Aug 1, 2023 07:08
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Another tragic day for empty office building, drug addict comedian zelensky bombing dombass children now this
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Aug 1, 2023 08:41
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HonorableTB posted:Ukraine War: A second drone has hit the tower Mods? Weg?
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Aug 1, 2023 08:41
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HonorableTB posted:Ukraine War: A second drone has hit the tower  I'm at work so that's stolen from reddit, I would've made it with monke
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Aug 1, 2023 08:43
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lmfao holy poo poo well i appreciate ukraine clarifying their intentions (to hit government buildings on sunday when everyone's at home) and capabilities (whenever the gently caress they want) tbh this is kind of a hilarious echo of all those times russia turned off power in kyiv on independence day for no other reason than bullshit psychological warfare and i somehow doubt that parallel is lost on everyone in the theater
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Aug 1, 2023 08:52
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The secret overlords running our simulation took shortcuts on the programming, so its all just pseudorandom. The drone came from the same direction, got jammed at the same place, so it crashed into the same building. Bet there's just crashed drones piling up on that office floor.
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Aug 1, 2023 08:54
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Vaginaface posted:I'm not ready to believe the whole "we jammed the drone and it wasn't able to hit the real target" thing yet. The Russians have to say SOMETHING, but when can we ever take them at face value? When have they ever not spun something for propaganda? Sure, but they don't have to tell the truth about what was hit. If civilians WERE hit, they would have screamed it as loudly as possible and raged and declared it TIME FOR NUKES!. But they didn't. So clearly, the Ukrainians didn't hit civilians. Like, even if non-military government people were killed, it'd be something they'd rage about at the top of their lungs. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if they told the truth as far as they believe, since it lets them be smug.
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Aug 1, 2023 08:55
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https://twitter.com/UKikaski/status/1686133268809195520quote:Russian Propaganda Mil-Analyst Rybar: ruZZian attempts to eliminate AFU incursions on the left bank of occupied Kherson have failed
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Aug 1, 2023 08:56
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Mr. Sunshine posted:The secret overlords running our simulation took shortcuts on the programming, so its all just pseudorandom. The drone came from the same direction, got jammed at the same place, so it crashed into the same building. Bet there's just crashed drones piling up on that office floor.
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Aug 1, 2023 08:59
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idk the full story of what's going on there, but Russian bloggers have been complaining for a month now about what is going on on the left bank around the antonovsky bridge. every week it's a new series of posts about 'ukrainians maintain a bridgehead on the left bank, the situation is difficult and unfortunate and we can't dislodge them.'
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Aug 1, 2023 09:00
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HonorableTB posted:Ukraine War: A second drone has hit the tower Tsar Wars: Return of the DJI
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Aug 1, 2023 09:01
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Apparently, Russian milbloggers have gotten a stern warning from Kreml about reporting on successful Ukrainian attacks and used Girkin to set an example - so I think we'll get a lot less info on whats going on going forward. We all know we couldn't take any of them at face value, but we did get a lot of complaining too
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Aug 1, 2023 09:07
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Kchama posted:As has been stated like fifty times in the past few pages, but I know you don't read, we don't actually know what the intended target was because Russia claimed they shot it down with EW and it just happened to crash into that office. If they WERE targeting that building, they likely were wanting to blow up the defense offices near there. Maybe that building is special Russian technology that attracts drones so they don't hit their intended targets bratwurst massage fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Aug 1, 2023 |
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Aug 1, 2023 09:33
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HonorableTB posted:hah hot drat, you're right. I looked it up and that's a popular belief but ultimately a myth. Thanks for correcting I heard the exact same but for Finland, maybe it's true for them? Edit: guess not, Finland also uses the russian gauge Somaen fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Aug 1, 2023 |
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Aug 1, 2023 09:36
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Somaen posted:I heard the exact same but for Finland, maybe it's true for them? Uhh. e: To elaborate, Finnish railway was established by Russia, to be five feet (1 524mm) just as in Russia. The Soviet Union decided that feet were more Western imperialist than millimeters, so they "changed" their gauge to 1 520mm in the entire Union, including Ukraine. Finland kept the original gauge. There is no functional difference between five feet and 1 520mm (if it even exists), trains can handle a four-millimetre difference just fine and have done so daily for decades. 3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Aug 1, 2023 |
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Aug 1, 2023 09:38
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Anders posted:Apparently, Russian milbloggers have gotten a stern warning from Kreml about reporting on successful Ukrainian attacks and used Girkin to set an example - so I think we'll get a lot less info on whats going on going forward. We all know we couldn't take any of them at face value, but we did get a lot of complaining too  Stop telling everyone about what's going on, you're making us look bad
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Aug 1, 2023 09:43
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Could somebody explain to me like I'm five why there's a shitton of hillaries in here? What on earth does she have to do with anything?
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Aug 1, 2023 09:49
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