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When did the Atomic Drop become the Manhattan Drop? Did it just kind of gradually happen?
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CobiWann posted:When did the Atomic Drop become the Manhattan Drop? Did it just kind of gradually happen? I think just the inverted one is called that and the regular butthole breaker is still an atomic drop?
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Jul 30, 2023 14:34
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big black turnout posted:Have there been any gimmick matches where the goal was to win some kind of sports game but with wrestling allowed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYvI26EQTfU
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Jul 30, 2023 15:05
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Ganso Bomb posted:I think just the inverted one is called that and the regular butthole breaker is still an atomic drop? Think so too. Also Rick Rude selling atomic drops. Mmmm. Good stuff.
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Jul 30, 2023 15:30
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harperdc posted:Think so too. thinking of wrestling as an upper body business left him with inadequate cushioning
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Jul 30, 2023 15:34
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his greatest weakness
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Jul 30, 2023 15:34
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don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes, or taken a knee in his butthole
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Jul 30, 2023 16:03
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Gambit from the X-Men posted:thinking of wrestling as an upper body business left him with inadequate cushioning “Steeeve, it’s a goddamn upper body business” I love the kayfabe explanation. I’m guessing it’s something he wanted to sell every night, his own version of Ric Flair’s flying nothing.
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Jul 30, 2023 16:05
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So I was reading the Wikipedia article for Toots Mondt, and this sentence jumped out at me:The Wikipedia article on Toots Mondt posted:Jess McMahon worked for boxing promoter and New York Rangers hockey franchise founder Tex Rickard, who despised wrestling and prevented bookings in Madison Square Garden (MSG) from 1939 to 1948. And yeah, by the looks of things, the last wrestling card in Madison Square Garden until February 22nd 1949 was on March 30th 1938. It's just that seemed strange to me for one man to prevent wrestling going on for eleven years, especially since, as I found out once I clicked on Tex Rickard's page, he'd been dead for nine years. So who actually stopped wrestling in MSG from taking place? I would've understood if it had been a wartime measure, but there weren't any wrestling shows there in the three years before and the four years after the US's involvement in WWII, so somebody must have been behind it. It's just that it can't have been Tex Rickard, unless he was actually a zombie the whole time.
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Jul 30, 2023 19:02
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Rickard could've signed a contract requiring MSG to not host wrestling in exchange for the Rangers playing there? And it expired in 1949, maybe?
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Jul 30, 2023 20:18
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Gaz-L posted:Rickard could've signed a contract requiring MSG to not host wrestling in exchange for the Rangers playing there? And it expired in 1949, maybe?
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Jul 30, 2023 20:30
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Venomous posted:So who actually stopped wrestling in MSG from taking place? I would've understood if it had been a wartime measure, but there weren't any wrestling shows there in the three years before and the four years after the US's involvement in WWII, so somebody must have been behind it. It's just that it can't have been Tex Rickard, unless he was actually a zombie the whole time. I can't find any info on who took controlling interest in MSG Corp after Rickard's passing, so it's possible they either believed they were honoring the late Tex's wishes, or things got garbled over the years. I *was* able to find a NYT article from 1949 decrying how obviously fake and choreographed these new wrestlers are, and how even if it was fake in the author's childhood he could *believe* that Frank Gotch and Strangler Lewis were legit tough guys who could beat anyone, not like Gorgeous George and the Duseks who are fake geeks. That article blames the absence/fall of pro wrestling in New York more broadly to Jack Curley dying in 1937, which maybe had something to do with it? Curley was in business with Stanislaus Zbyszko, who headlined/promoted the last MSG show for nine years in 1938. If the root cause was "Tex Rickard hates/hated wrestling", maybe whatever initial deal was grandfathered in for Curley to run shows got nixed when he died? There's a bunch of stuff with Curley convincing Zbyszko to gently caress over the Gold Dust Trio (which Toots was a third of) by shooting on their chosen world champion which was one of the first big Screwjobs, but that was in 1925 and by 1938 Toots and Curley had both helped form The Trust, the original pseudo-NWA, so that can't be the cause of the MSG ban either. Also the Trust collapsed before 1938. Gaz-L posted:Rickard could've signed a contract requiring MSG to not host wrestling in exchange for the Rangers playing there? And it expired in 1949, maybe? Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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Jul 30, 2023 21:54
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i imagine NY's regulation of pro wrestling likely played a part.
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Jul 30, 2023 23:20
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The Brian Dawkins Suplex
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STONE COLD 64 posted:i imagine NY's regulation of pro wrestling likely played a part. According to lists, there was also a show in the Bronx that night. The next day there were shows in Brooklyn and White Plains, shows the day after that in Queens and Manhattan, three shows (two in Manhattan, one in Brooklyn) the following Tuesday, etc. etc. In the nine years between the two MSG shows, there were hundreds of wrestling cards put on in the five boroughs, and even more upstate. Not all of them were huge shows, but many are reported to have 2-5,000 tickets sold and covered in newspapers, so it's not like they were flying under the radar of the sports commission. Looking at all the data, it really looks like the reason for no wrestling at MSG is "wrestling had lost popularity in NYC". Prior to the 3/30/38 MSG show (reportedly bringing in 6,000 fans), the last MSG wrestling show was in September 1937, which was said to only draw 2,000 fans. The show before that was the "Jack Curley Memorial Wrestling Show" a few weeks prior, which drew 3,000. The fact that it only came back to MSG in 1949 with the rise of "television wrestling", with a card headlined by Gorgeous George making what appears to be his New York City debut* lends credence to the "wrestling just wasn't popular enough to support running MSG". There was another nine months before MSG hosted wrestling again, and by that time it was Toots Mondt/Jess McMahon/Capital Wrestling pushing Antonino Rocca in a main event match "you can't see on TV". They only ran two MSG shows in 1950 (both with Rocca as the headliner), none in 1951, and two in 1951, the big one featuring touring champ Lou Thesz. Monthly MSG shows didn't really start happening until the late 1950s, and really got locked in as "the Mecca" with the rise of Bruno. It really seems more like a boom/bust cycle than any sort of backstage/backroom machinations.
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Jul 31, 2023 05:29
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CobiWann posted:When did the Atomic Drop become the Manhattan Drop? Did it just kind of gradually happen? Kinda related to this, but is it also called "Atomic Drop" in Japan, where any direct reference to nuclear weaponry is verboten in television? (in the Macross franchise, they use nukes but call them "reaction weapons" instead)
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Jul 31, 2023 07:10
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Lily Catts posted:Kinda related to this, but is it also called "Atomic Drop" in Japan, where any direct reference to nuclear weaponry is verboten in television? (in the Macross franchise, they use nukes but call them "reaction weapons" instead) (link to article) https://tinyurl.com/45ckt4a4
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Jul 31, 2023 13:38
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...Is the Manhattan Drop meant to to reference the Manhattan Project? IE, where the Atom Bomb development happened? I always thought it was just a variation named after whoever first started doing it, ala the Boston Crab, but this discussion has me having a weird potential fridge moment thought.
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Jul 31, 2023 16:45
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Captain Foo posted:The Brian Dawkins Suplex The Rodney McLeod Spinebuster MD2020 fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 16:56
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NameHurtBrain posted:...Is the Manhattan Drop meant to to reference the Manhattan Project? IE, where the Atom Bomb development happened? I always figured this was obvious and I’d be surprised if it turned out to be anything else, fwiw
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Jul 31, 2023 19:34
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I am dumb and always assumed it was something like the "brooklyn" strike in bowling, where instead of hitting in the pocket the ball hits across the opposite side pocket So, you know, they were hitting the balls on the opposite side and that has something to do with new york i guess
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Jul 31, 2023 22:46
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My bowling balls don't hit any pockets, what am I doing wrong?
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Jul 31, 2023 22:50
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All right, five years from now. Will Konosuke Takeshita be a bigger deal than Kazuchika Okada in his prime?
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Coaaab posted:All right, five years from now. Will Konosuke Takeshita be a bigger deal than Kazuchika Okada in his prime? I think he'll be doing really well but, no, absolutely not.
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Aug 1, 2023 01:38
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What're the lyrics to Will Ospreay's United Empire theme? I can make out 'Burn it down 'til the ashes fill the sky' and then the next line has so much post-processing that I can't make a drat word out.
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Aug 1, 2023 14:57
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Gaz-L posted:What're the lyrics to Will Ospreay's United Empire theme? I can make out 'Burn it down 'til the ashes fill the sky' and then the next line has so much post-processing that I can't make a drat word out. "Light it up 'til the flames take back the night" The Taxman fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 1, 2023 |
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Aug 1, 2023 15:51
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https://twitter.com/TeaKaGee/status/1301513163356110851 Did Giant Baba really think that lifting weights made you gay?
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Aug 2, 2023 08:56
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idk he had tiny pathetic arms and a loving wife so maybe.
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Aug 2, 2023 13:37
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Lily Catts posted:https://twitter.com/TeaKaGee/status/1301513163356110851 That statement makes me believe he thought the weight lifters could be making out with each other better if it wasnt for their big muscles.
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Aug 2, 2023 14:43
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Baba definitely had that body type where your torso is too wide for the rest of your body
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Aug 2, 2023 15:28
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Defenestrategy posted:That statement makes me believe he thought the weight lifters could be making out with each other better if it wasnt for their big muscles. Whoa! Hey! Whoa! Hey! Whoa! Hey! Whoa! Hey! Somebody's gonna get their lips kissed!
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Aug 2, 2023 15:47
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I'm imagining Makoto asking him to lift something heavy for her at the house and him going 'Do it yourself! Do you want me to become gay?'
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Aug 2, 2023 18:13
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Lily Catts posted:https://twitter.com/TeaKaGee/status/1301513163356110851 it does, but thats good.
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Aug 2, 2023 18:57
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Suplex Liberace posted:idk he had tiny pathetic arms and a loving wife so maybe. Lol
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Aug 2, 2023 21:08
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Baba was also a professional pitcher, traditionally a sport/position that eschews weight training.
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Aug 2, 2023 22:26
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Well, with that attitude he certainly wasn't a professional catcher.
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keep em coming.
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Aug 2, 2023 23:26
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it's the lifting weights that makes you look gay, not the playing pretend fight with you're oiled beefy friends and young lion twinks
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Aug 2, 2023 23:52
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Deathlove posted:Baba was also a professional pitcher, traditionally a sport/position that eschews weight training. I mean, in general he came up in the age where nobody was doing weight training even in professional sports. Go look at how Nebraska football came to be such a big deal in the ‘70s. It really took until the 1980s and 90s for that to take off in ball sports. I think at that time when Baba would be yelling at Kobashi, not weightlifting in general but body building specifically might have still been part of the gay subculture in Japan (see also the old Chō Aniki video games…), but still. Probably a quote you can file away with Rick Rude’s “Steve, it’s an upper body business” but with a bit more homophobia.
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harperdc posted:I think at that time when Baba would be yelling at Kobashi, not weightlifting in general but body building specifically might have still been part of the gay subculture in Japan (see also the old Chō Aniki video games…), but still. I wonder if this is what those guys in the Wall Market squatting minigame in FF7 are tapping into as well?
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