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BRICKFACE
Apr 20, 2002

I BITE

Phosphine posted:

...

Programming the nice!nano was stupidly simple. It comes with a bootloader pre-flashed, and the steps to reprogramming it are as follows:
1. Connect it to your computer
2. Put it into bootloader mode by double-tapping reset
3. Copy the new .uf2 file onto the USB mass storage unit it presents itself at
4. Done!

The file system you see from the bootloader also includes the currently flashed uf2, so you can just copy that off first.
Flashing the actual bootloader I have not looked into.
Building ZMK was fairly easy. Clone it, follow some instructions, locate the files for your keyboard. If there isn't one I guess its harder!
They have a default layout for iris, https://github.com/zmkfirmware/zmk/blob/main/app/boards/shields/iris/iris.keymap, and editing it to fit my preferences/language was fairly intuitive.
that's extremely straightforward, dang

whelp sounds like it's time for a new build

Phosphine posted:

Who needs keys anyway?
... or weekends

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Pooperscooper
Jul 22, 2007
I use a Corsair K55 membrane keyboard and I like the feel of soft keys and the ability the smash the poo poo out of them and not hurt my finger when I type mean emails. I had a basic mechanical keyboard years ago but it felt stiff and uncomfortable. Is there mechanical keyboards that fit my mix of soft hands but rageful pressing of keys?

god please help me
Jul 9, 2018
I LOVE GIVING MY TAX MONEY AND MY PERSONAL INCOME TO UKRAINE, SLAVA
I have the same typing preferences, and for that reason I use silent switches with the silicone damperner pads built in (gamakay phoenix switches for me) with O rings.

Pooperscooper
Jul 22, 2007

god please help me posted:

I have the same typing preferences, and for that reason I use silent switches with the silicone damperner pads built in (gamakay phoenix switches for me) with O rings.

Do they sell mechanical keyboards with dampeners on them or do you have to do that yourself?

Koskun
Apr 20, 2004
I worship the ground NinjaPablo walks on

Pooperscooper posted:

Do they sell mechanical keyboards with dampeners on them or do you have to do that yourself?

Far as I know, some of the "upper end" ones I think do, otherwise the O-rings are just very small rubber bands. Some people use orthodontic rubber bands (used for braces), and a few keyboard sites will sell bags of them. Amazon carries both orthodontic and keyboard labeled ones, the price difference is negligible (5-10 bucks for 200 or so). The main thing is to make sure you get the right diameter for the switch you have.

Phosphine
May 30, 2011

WHY, JUDY?! WHY?!
🤰🐰🆚🥪🦊
I thought I wanted o-rings when I got my first mechanical keyboard, but after discovering red switches (my first had blue) the need went away for me.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Pooperscooper posted:

I use a Corsair K55 membrane keyboard and I like the feel of soft keys and the ability the smash the poo poo out of them and not hurt my finger when I type mean emails. I had a basic mechanical keyboard years ago but it felt stiff and uncomfortable. Is there mechanical keyboards that fit my mix of soft hands but rageful pressing of keys?

mx brown switches will give you a soft typing experience somewhat similar to a membrane keyboard imo.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
If you like rubber domes just buy a rubber dome. It's too late for us, but it's not too late for you.

god please help me
Jul 9, 2018
I LOVE GIVING MY TAX MONEY AND MY PERSONAL INCOME TO UKRAINE, SLAVA

Pooperscooper posted:

Do they sell mechanical keyboards with dampeners on them or do you have to do that yourself?

Koskun said it better than I did, but mostly the sound dampeners I'm referring to are the little bits of silicone built into a majority of silent mechanical switches, which dampens not only the noise of the key press, but also the impact (nice!). Some people hate silent switches that have that silicone sound dampeners inside because they describe the feeling of typing on them as "mushy," which for me is a plus because of the aforementioned tendency to slam down keypresses (much gentler on my fingers).

Most keyboards don't come with silent switches by default, but if you pick up any keyboard that allows for hotswapping different switches, then you can simply purchases any silent switch you like and put them inside of the hotswappable mechanical keyboard. Just keep an eye out if they are outemu switches or cherry mx style switches, which are the majority, and you should be good to go.

I like to increase the "mushiness" of my mechanical keyboards even further by purchasing a cheap pack of O rings from Aliexpress or Amazon, and applying those to the keycap stem of the keyboard. It takes time to apply all of them for each keycap, but my fingers thank me. Sometimes the O ring listing may give you a choice of some number such as 10A, or 70A. Essentially, the lower the number is, the softer/mushier it is. An O ring with a higher number is going to be more stiffer/less mushy. It's up to your personal preference. Additional 'Pro Stratz': you can stack two O rings on a keycap stem if you want to experiment with the feel.

Lastly, I did recommend the Gamakay Phoenix Switch because those are one of the few silent switches I found that also have a very light keypress force. I'm not sure if you're looking for that feature too, but I'm throwing it out there too.


As an aside, I think I'd like to experiment with getting a Niz Plum keyboard. I'm very tempted by the light force switches it has, but oh my lord, the price is somewhat scary. Does anyone have any experience with it?

Koskun
Apr 20, 2004
I worship the ground NinjaPablo walks on

god please help me posted:

Koskun said it better than I did, but mostly the sound dampeners I'm referring to are the little bits of silicone built into a majority of silent mechanical switches, which dampens not only the noise of the key press, but also the impact (nice!). Some people hate silent switches that have that silicone sound dampeners inside because they describe the feeling of typing on them as "mushy," which for me is a plus because of the aforementioned tendency to slam down keypresses (much gentler on my fingers).

Most keyboards don't come with silent switches by default, but if you pick up any keyboard that allows for hotswapping different switches, then you can simply purchases any silent switch you like and put them inside of the hotswappable mechanical keyboard. Just keep an eye out if they are outemu switches or cherry mx style switches, which are the majority, and you should be good to go.

I like to increase the "mushiness" of my mechanical keyboards even further by purchasing a cheap pack of O rings from Aliexpress or Amazon, and applying those to the keycap stem of the keyboard. It takes time to apply all of them for each keycap, but my fingers thank me. Sometimes the O ring listing may give you a choice of some number such as 10A, or 70A. Essentially, the lower the number is, the softer/mushier it is. An O ring with a higher number is going to be more stiffer/less mushy. It's up to your personal preference. Additional 'Pro Stratz': you can stack two O rings on a keycap stem if you want to experiment with the feel.

Lastly, I did recommend the Gamakay Phoenix Switch because those are one of the few silent switches I found that also have a very light keypress force. I'm not sure if you're looking for that feature too, but I'm throwing it out there too.


As an aside, I think I'd like to experiment with getting a Niz Plum keyboard. I'm very tempted by the light force switches it has, but oh my lord, the price is somewhat scary. Does anyone have any experience with it?

When you mention the "silicone built into..." are you talking about switch film? If so, that is a whole different level than o-rings. Switch film goes inside the actual switch. You can get kits to do this on your own, and I'm sure some (probably super expensive keyboard maker) has it as an option. However to do it yourself you also have to get a switch opener (can be done with a screwdriver, but ehh).

They do dampen the rebound of the switch, but not the press. O-rings are used so that the keycap doesn't bottom out, as it does nothing to the switch. They can also make the keycap wobble slightly, as there will be less stem in the keycap itself.

As to what most keyboards do or don't come with, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a keyboard that doesn't offer some sort of option between Blue (clicky), Brown (tactile), or Red (linear) unless it is a VERY cheap keyboard, as those usually just blue, but I honestly can't think of the last hot-swappable keyboard I saw that didn't come with a choice of switches.

Khorne
May 1, 2002
If you get boba gums or a similar switch you don't need orings. I was an oring fan but I never had to add them with that switch.

Koskun posted:

They do dampen the rebound of the switch, but not the press. O-rings are used so that the keycap doesn't bottom out, as it does nothing to the switch. They can also make the keycap wobble slightly, as there will be less stem in the keycap itself.
Oring helps with noise going up as well when not bottoming out, but it might depend on keycap and how you type.

Khorne fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Aug 2, 2023

god please help me
Jul 9, 2018
I LOVE GIVING MY TAX MONEY AND MY PERSONAL INCOME TO UKRAINE, SLAVA

Koskun posted:

When you mention the "silicone built into..." are you talking about switch film? If so, that is a whole different level than o-rings. Switch film goes inside the actual switch. You can get kits to do this on your own, and I'm sure some (probably super expensive keyboard maker) has it as an option. However to do it yourself you also have to get a switch opener (can be done with a screwdriver, but ehh).

They do dampen the rebound of the switch, but not the press. O-rings are used so that the keycap doesn't bottom out, as it does nothing to the switch. They can also make the keycap wobble slightly, as there will be less stem in the keycap itself.

As to what most keyboards do or don't come with, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a keyboard that doesn't offer some sort of option between Blue (clicky), Brown (tactile), or Red (linear) unless it is a VERY cheap keyboard, as those usually just blue, but I honestly can't think of the last hot-swappable keyboard I saw that didn't come with a choice of switches.

No, not switch film. I don't have a picture to describe the silicone rubber dampener, but I have a video of it made by a guy who hates silent switches because of said silicone dampeners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahShvBMoMWk&t=19s

It should be timestamped to start at 19 seconds in, where this person discusses what I'm talking about. While this youtuber in particular is discussing a silent switch that doesn't have silicone sound dampeners inside, I'll say that the silicone sound dampeners are probably what Pooperscooper might like since it's those sound dampeners that provide a softer/mushier bottoming out upon key press. At least that what it's like for me since I never mastered the "don't bottom out your keystrokes" technique of writing with a mechanical keyboard that some people on youtube talk about. Silent switches are good for me since I tend to type pretty hard for that reason.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Eric the Mauve posted:

If you like rubber domes just buy a rubber dome. It's too late for us, but it's not too late for you.

Is cross-posting punishable? I guess I'll find out!

3D Megadoodoo posted:

I took apart the Osborne keyboard I got a while back, for cleaning. I was curious to see what the gently caress it used for key switches since it felt like a rubber dome keyboard but it also felt really nice to type on.

Turns out... NMB (the manufacturer) just made really nice rubber dome keyboards :shrug: https://deskthority.net/wiki/NMB_dome_with_slider

e: It's this, only with a standard lay-out, the full alphabet, and the Osborne badge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQJqViPHGU

If it did USB I'd be typing on it right now.

ee: Why does that video exist? Is it hand fetish porn?

I don't know if anyone makes rubber dome keyboard as nice anymore. I really don't mind the IBMLenovo full-size I use at work, but it's not as good.

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Is cross-posting punishable? I guess I'll find out!

I don't know if anyone makes rubber dome keyboard as nice anymore. I really don't mind the IBMLenovo full-size I use at work, but it's not as good.

If you like the rubber dome feel but Just Better, the choice is a Topre board. They're not cheap, but it's the apex of the rubber dome style feel, much closer than silent dampened MX style switches. (I prefer silenced linear switches over topre boards, but I've tried both and if you really like rubber domes then Topre will feel great to you)

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
Can confirm, I hate rubber domes and I hate Topre.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Getting my first new computer (a Presario) in 1997 was wild because I was used to IBM at home (dad never bought anything else) and all of a sudden I'm like "is the sound on this keyboard broken?" I "hated rubber domes" for a few decades but yeah the Compaq keyboard was just mushy hell poo poo from hell. I got a few Model Ms from the recycling centre for I think ten marks a piece (around 2€) so I didn't have to deal with it too long. Especially since I accidentally a Coke in it.

e: Oh I guess I should clarify that the PC that I used in 1996 when I still lived with my parents was a PC XT 286 from 1987. Obviously IBM had had rubber dome keyboards for a good while by then.

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


Any recommendations for a good, wireless, cheapish 65% keyboard?

spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011



RandolphCarter posted:

Any recommendations for a good, wireless, cheapish 65% keyboard?

Definitely shop around.

I find all kinds of fun sales not on amazon checking the device maker themselves.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/key...caps-9189112-na

$179.99 USD Current price: $89.99

change my name
Aug 27, 2007

Legends die but anime is forever.

RIP The Lost Otakus.

spunkshui posted:

Definitely shop around.

I find all kinds of fun sales not on amazon checking the device maker themselves.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/key...caps-9189112-na

$179.99 USD Current price: $89.99

I love the K70 Mini but it's 60% and lacks arrow keys, not 65%

spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011



change my name posted:

I love the K70 Mini but it's 60% and lacks arrow keys, not 65%

Ah, I struggle with the smaller size lingo.

Smallest ill go on the couch is 10key less.

Sininu
Jan 8, 2014

Recommendations for mechanical wireless numpads? Backlighting would be cool, but not required, media controls would be awesome, but I doubt there's anything with those.

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf
I have one of these: https://kprepublic.com/products/hot-swappable-blue-tooth-bt-dual-mode-gk21s-gk21-keyboard-kit-type-c-numpad

The build quality on mine is great but the software for it is absolutely janky as gently caress. I know you can wrangle it in to letting you assign media functions to keys, it's just... A Chore.

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy
Any recommendations for a full-size board?

I do love my Mode65 (and it's always going to be my endgame board I think), but there are multiple situations in which I'd prefer having a numpad again (and be able to use full keycap sets).

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006
I love my Air60, but as it's almost entirely used for when my laptop is docked at my desk nowadays, I'm kind of missing the lack of function/media keys. I don't really want to go out and get a whole new keyboard, but an (ideally wireless) knob + buttons would be ideal. Just something I can set up on my desk and use as a media remote. Would need to work with MacOS. Does anyone have any recommendations? It's the kind of thing where Amazon/Ebay/Etsy are absolutely flooded with cheap looking suggestions so I can't really trust Google on this one.

Phosphine
May 30, 2011

WHY, JUDY?! WHY?!
🤰🐰🆚🥪🦊

RandolphCarter posted:

Any recommendations for a good, wireless, cheapish 65% keyboard?

I haven't actually tried it myself so perhaps not "recommendation", but I would've slam-purchased https://kono.store/products/kono-67d-keyboard right now if the shipping wasn't an additional 100% of the cost to me. If shipping to you is less crap it's a pretty cheap one that people around me have uttered good things about.

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008

The Grumbles posted:

I love my Air60, but as it's almost entirely used for when my laptop is docked at my desk nowadays, I'm kind of missing the lack of function/media keys. I don't really want to go out and get a whole new keyboard, but an (ideally wireless) knob + buttons would be ideal. Just something I can set up on my desk and use as a media remote. Would need to work with MacOS. Does anyone have any recommendations? It's the kind of thing where Amazon/Ebay/Etsy are absolutely flooded with cheap looking suggestions so I can't really trust Google on this one.

It's not wireless but I bet you could program this to do what you want:

https://www.keebmonkey.com/products/megalodon-triple-knob-macro-pad?_pos=2&_sid=75edc23ca&_ss=r

Edit:

Found the wireless version but it's pricey:

https://www.keebmonkey.com/products...&pr_seq=uniform

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
If you're a bad enough dude for a real keyboard, Unicomp now has both the New Model M and the TKL Mini M in stock. Grabbing one of the latter right now for the office.

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


Phosphine posted:

I haven't actually tried it myself so perhaps not "recommendation", but I would've slam-purchased https://kono.store/products/kono-67d-keyboard right now if the shipping wasn't an additional 100% of the cost to me. If shipping to you is less crap it's a pretty cheap one that people around me have uttered good things about.

This looks good, but yeah the shipping is 50% for me. Might grab it anyway, thanks.

Wizard of the Deep
Sep 25, 2005

Another productive workday

The Grumbles posted:

I love my Air60, but as it's almost entirely used for when my laptop is docked at my desk nowadays, I'm kind of missing the lack of function/media keys. I don't really want to go out and get a whole new keyboard, but an (ideally wireless) knob + buttons would be ideal. Just something I can set up on my desk and use as a media remote. Would need to work with MacOS. Does anyone have any recommendations? It's the kind of thing where Amazon/Ebay/Etsy are absolutely flooded with cheap looking suggestions so I can't really trust Google on this one.


I've got this tiny macropad and it's great for exactly the media controls you're asking for. It's wired, though. Via-compatible, so it should be fine on Mac too?

Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

The Grumbles posted:

I love my Air60, but as it's almost entirely used for when my laptop is docked at my desk nowadays, I'm kind of missing the lack of function/media keys. I don't really want to go out and get a whole new keyboard, but an (ideally wireless) knob + buttons would be ideal. Just something I can set up on my desk and use as a media remote. Would need to work with MacOS. Does anyone have any recommendations? It's the kind of thing where Amazon/Ebay/Etsy are absolutely flooded with cheap looking suggestions so I can't really trust Google on this one.

Isn’t the Air 60 qmk compatible? If so you could just do media controls with layers.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

Blinkz0rz posted:

Isn’t the Air 60 qmk compatible? If so you could just do media controls with layers.

I don't know what either of those things mean, but like it does have media controls via the fn key and the number keys. But it's kind of an awkward manoeuvre.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

The Grumbles posted:

I don't know what either of those things mean, but like it does have media controls via the fn key and the number keys. But it's kind of an awkward manoeuvre.
QMK you can more or less think of as a keyboard operating system, it's an open source firmware that runs on many popular microcontrollers and implements all the core features of a keyboard (and hypothetically any other HID variety, but it's built around keyboards) so someone who's built the hardware can just wire in a controller and configure the inputs appropriately to end up with a working keyboard. Many DIY or low volume production keyboards use QMK or a derivative like VIA, and in the last few years it's even started showing up in more mainstream enthusiast boards like Keychron's Q line.

A layer is just an alternate mapping for some or all keys that's activated by pressing or holding a key, so the Fn key media controls you describe are exactly that. The Fn key is basically as close to mainstream as layers usually get, but on a QMK board or most other "advanced" boards you get the ability to have a bunch of layers and customize them.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

Eric the Mauve posted:

If you're a bad enough dude for a real keyboard, Unicomp now has both the New Model M and the TKL Mini M in stock. Grabbing one of the latter right now for the office.
The SSK was a pretty neat keyboard. I don't have a need for one these days, but it's nice to see that Unicomp finally got a "modern" version of it out.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Sininu posted:

Recommendations for mechanical wireless numpads? Backlighting would be cool, but not required, media controls would be awesome, but I doubt there's anything with those.

Lfkeyboards used to sell a nice one but it looks like he went out of business. :smith:

DeusIgnis
Jan 17, 2010

Swapped my Gateron 2.0 Blues for 3.0 Reds. Loving the difference.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Y'all got a recommendation for a wireless couch keyboard? I've got a Logitech K400r and its just utter trash; its laggy, drops keystrokes, and completely nonfunctional without 100% unobstructed line of sight.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Fantastic Foreskin posted:

Y'all got a recommendation for a wireless couch keyboard? I've got a Logitech K400r and its just utter trash; its laggy, drops keystrokes, and completely nonfunctional without 100% unobstructed line of sight.

Sounds like maybe the transceiver is in or next to a noisy USB 3 port? The K400 plus is what I've been using and I've got a few deployed at client sites where they use them on conference room tv pcs and the like. If that could be the issue you can try moving the dongle to a USB 2 port or put a little USB 2 extension on it.

I've used a couple of these (there's a million clones of the same kind of device) and they're much worse to use with horrible tiny keys. Function is fine, though:
https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Rii-Wireless-Keyboard-Raspberry/dp/B00Z81U3YY/

There's this and a few more versions of these air mice that look like remotes that you wave around to move the mouse. They're okay for using on a tv but mostly for clicking on stuff, you wouldn't want to play games or anything.
https://www.amazon.com/AuviPal-Universal-Keyboard-Programmable-Raspberry/dp/B07LD5DPNR/

Beyond that there's a ton of bluetooth versions of cheap kb/m available, although none are great. The best PC alternative tends to get into wireless keyboard and mice with a lapdesk or something which is often more than folks want to use on a couch.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Fantastic Foreskin posted:

Y'all got a recommendation for a wireless couch keyboard? I've got a Logitech K400r and its just utter trash; its laggy, drops keystrokes, and completely nonfunctional without 100% unobstructed line of sight.

Radio interference is a tricky beast. I’ve got two of those things (k400 and k400+), they’re reliable for me. I think their dongle is on 2.4ghz so they can get confused by crowded wifi channels but main thing is getting it away from the emi interference of the computer by using a usb extension cable

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Anyone have a solution for two keyboards on the same desk? I have both my work laptop and my personal PC on the same monitor, and right now i'm just moving one out of the way haphazardly.

Don't say a KVM because of course I could do that. I'm hoping to still have both physical keyboards on my desk for reasons. (mostly the USB swap delay on a KVM)

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Wizard of the Deep
Sep 25, 2005

Another productive workday

Deviant posted:

Anyone have a solution for two keyboards on the same desk? I have both my work laptop and my personal PC on the same monitor, and right now i'm just moving one out of the way haphazardly.

Don't say a KVM because of course I could do that. I'm hoping to still have both physical keyboards on my desk for reasons. (mostly the USB swap delay on a KVM)

Get a bigger desk.

Alternatively, travel back in time to the late 90s and get a keyboard tray?

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