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Also watch as my opinion on this trade massively reverses when JV gives up 5 in 2 IP in game 1 of the WS
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First time I've seen the words "spicy heel" in a scouting reportFangraphs posted:Before the 2022 draft, Gilbert was written up here as a top-of-the-order catalyst, a potential 6 bat with 6 speed and table-setting skills, but 4 power. So far in pro ball, Gilbert is performing more like a do-everything player with a balanced hit and power skill set, and he moves into the Top 100 with this update. He’s gotten stronger since signing (he was already yoked) and takes a mighty rip for a 5-foot-9 guy, and while Gilbert shows some hitterish characteristics, he is less of a bat control master than just a twitchy, short-levered player who is tough to beat because of how concise his swing is. His barrel is in the zone for a long time and he tends to find a way to put the ball in play, using his strength to spray balls past infielders. He’s making roughly an average rate of contact so far in 2023 but is also hitting the ball harder than expected. When Gilbert collapses his back side and leans on one, he’ll show you big pull-side lift, and he does most of his extra-base damage by yanking doubles down the right field line.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:That’s a big, big price tag but you’re acquiring probably the best pitcher in baseball right? A guy who has already locked down one rotation and who you can count on to do it for you down the stretch? LOL He's not the best pitcher in baseball... are you high?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The Mets collapse is just so loving weird to me. It’s like a guy building this completely min-maxed team of all-stars in The Show or Super Mega Baseball without bothering to step back and think if it made sense as a cohesive team. Serious question: what makes a baseball team cohesive? Of the major North American sports, baseball seems like the one where it should be easiest to plug and play a bunch of great players.
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mcmagic with the WHOOOOOOOOOOSH
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It makes sense I guess. They're in a position where they're still near the top of the division even with bad injury luck, they're healthy again offensively but have nothing pitching-wise to rely on with Lance and Garcia out for the year and Whitley is probably a bust. And hell Dana Brown is supposed to be this draft guru, maybe he can find diamonds in the rough. I presume they'll try the six man rotation like last year once Urquidy is back to try to get Javier and Framber some rest, not to mention Brown who has never thrown this many innings in a season before JV-Framber-Javier-Brown-Urquidy-France seems fine. If Framber and Javier can unfuck themselves it's pretty great actually We're also a day off from it being reported that Brown wasn't in the market for a starter so I'm wondering if this was a purely Crane move
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Serious question: what makes a baseball team cohesive? Of the major North American sports, baseball seems like the one where it should be easiest to plug and play a bunch of great players. As someone said above, chemistry for sure. It’s a huge part of morale and baseball players are arguably the most head-case-prone athletes when it comes to performance. Clubhouse issues also manage to crop up in games.
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mcmagic posted:LOL He's not the best pitcher in baseball... are you high? You should probably read the entire post before responding to it
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verlander has been punching way above his ~advanced analytics~ performance this year so hopefully he regresses hardcore also thanks to both the stupid teams from Texas for bailing the mets out this trade deadline! real cool guys!
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Aug 1, 2023 20:20
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You know what, whatever. Fuckin bring it Houston. Just four games back of ya
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mcmagic posted:LOL He's not the best pitcher in baseball... are you high? Did you actually read the entire quote or?
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I don't think the Mets problem is "lack of cohesion" or whatever intangible bunk you want to go with, they are just mediocre.
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Mike_V posted:Blue Jays want to acquire Jack Flaherty while we're at it to keep the train rolling? 7 man rotation lets go.
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Intruder posted:IWe're also a day off from it being reported that Brown wasn't in the market for a starter so I'm wondering if this was a purely Crane move No doubt
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The Mets collapse is just so loving weird to me. It’s like a guy building this completely min-maxed team of all-stars in The Show or Super Mega Baseball without bothering to step back and think if it made sense as a cohesive team. They threw a ton of money at some guys, and when that didn't work out, they ate a bunch of that money to flip those guys for some pretty good prospects. They have essentially bought prospects, thus improving their system faster than rebuilding it from the ground up.
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So the Astros didn't want to pay Verlander so they had to give up their best prospect, another good prospect and also pay him anyway. That is practically Yankee-esque
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The Cubs are rumored to be IN on every mediocre lefty reliever available... and most importantly they're trading extra guys and bonus pool money to stay under that luxury tax!!!!
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Nodoze posted:I don't think the Mets problem is "lack of cohesion" or whatever intangible bunk you want to go with, they are just mediocre. JV and Scherzer hating each other is the real reason 
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I don't see how you question this for the Astros. They have Altuve and Bregman who might be towards the end of their runs. You have young guys you can build the next generation around but you have a core right now that can win again. Verlander is a fit you know. You should have signed him in the winter. Can't go back and change that. Gotta go hard. And giving up an OF prospect when you have two young stud OFers really ain't that bad a deal. But I hope it blows up in their faces. gently caress the Astros.
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mcmagic posted:So the Astros didn't want to pay Verlander so they had to give up their best prospect, another good prospect and also pay him anyway. That is practically Yankee-esque I imagine the Mets are paying ~60% of what's left just they did for Scherzer.
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The Mets should have hired Joe Maddon to heal the team through the power of petting zoos.
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mcmagic posted:So the Astros didn't want to pay Verlander so they had to give up their best prospect, another good prospect and also pay him anyway. That is practically Yankee-esque It's annoying but also the rotation is a very different beast than it was before the season started. They've gone most of the season missing 3 of their presumed SPs
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I imagine the Mets are paying ~60% of what's left just they did for Scherzer. Doesn't seem like they are?
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I imagine the Mets are paying ~60% of what's left just they did for Scherzer. If the Astros took on the full salary AND gave up the prospects then Jim Crane is a big dumb idiot who deseerves to be laughed at So that'll be what it is I guess
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lol wait, so the Astros also agreed to pay all over Verlander's 43m next year? hahaha
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Tatsuta Age posted:lol wait, so the Astros also agreed to pay all over Verlander's 43m next year? hahaha It's just speculation for now I think, nothing's been reported as far as I've seen
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Do something Phillies
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mcmagic posted:So the Astros didn't want to pay Verlander so they had to give up their best prospect, another good prospect and also pay him anyway. That is practically Yankee-esque Except it's probably going to work for Houston.
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R.D. Mangles posted:The Mets should have hired Joe Maddon to heal the team through the power of petting zoos. Dumping Showalter is a proven winner's move
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The Mets aren't some secret that we can figure out. It just didn't work. Injuries, chemistry, bad luck. Its all just luck sometimes. They won 101 games last year. They're not crap. But baseball is weird and fickle and long and chaotic. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Its only notable because there was such fanfare about Steve Cohen being the man willing to spend anything to win. And whoops. People forgot it ain't that easy.
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live with fruit posted:Except it's probably going to work for Houston. Well the last time Houston traded for Justin Verlander... What are other instances of a major guy leaving in FA and then immediately getting traded back the next season?
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I can't remember who it was but there was a guy who was traded for himself as the PTBNL e: it's happened four times actually Harry Chiti, Dickie Noles, Brad Gulden and John McDonald were all the PTBNL in their own trades, so they were traded for themselves
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Tatsuta Age posted:lol wait, so the Astros also agreed to pay all over Verlander's 43m next year? hahaha It ain't my money I think $43m is a good price for another ring
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Intruder posted:It's annoying but also the rotation is a very different beast than it was before the season started. They've gone most of the season missing 3 of their presumed SPs if the options are "overpay for a 40 year old Verlander who may or may not still have it" or "dumpster dive for Lance Lynn" I'm not sure either is all that appealing
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Do something Phillies They're doing something and it's called "not making the playoffs"
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bawfuls posted:So have the Dodgers  He may have it Intruder posted:https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1686451757139017728 Trading M's players for JV is a >9000 genious brain move
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