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That was when this was sort of a writing project I was doing while hammered but its since changed to a generally informative LP under Snake Maze cuz they broke my laptop
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I feel disheartened that we cannot make the golem in the image of Minmo
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Snake Maze posted:Nope, it takes multiple ingame days to build the golem, so you can’t use precognition to peek at what you’ll get. but you can enable the debug save/load commands to see what the different outcomes are
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Aug 2, 2023 03:22
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verbal enema posted:SLOG GOLEM not an emptyquote
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Well I'm much less confused by the previous update's ending since you seemed far too nonchalant about sealing yourself inside a sarcophagus and dying because "oh poo poo I forgot to do A Thing and died instead of progressing" would not have surprised me in the slightest.Breadmaster posted:I feel disheartened that we cannot make the golem in the image of Minmo This. Can we recruit Minmo II and make them the basis for the golem?
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Aug 2, 2023 04:17
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Wait holy poo poo, would the slolem have the bilge sphincter? Followup thought: I wonder what happens if you use cloning draught on Slog and kill the clone and butcher it for its annunclus and whatever body part you can sever from it. The sloggest of golems. Sludge for the catalyst fluid
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Angry Diplomat posted:Wait holy poo poo, would the slolem have the bilge sphincter? The range of bonuses from Golem body types is pretty limited and on par with the other categories, so, an innate mutation and possibly a stat boost. I don't think Slug gives anything.
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Angry Diplomat posted:Wait holy poo poo, would the slolem have the bilge sphincter? All of this is my vote now. The Sloggest of Slog golems, in honor of his victorious duel against the Saad (which appears to be an archaic form of address along the lines of the knightly "sir") Amus. Looking it up, Saad turns out to be a name of Arabic origin in real life. Makes sense, considering how much the game draws from Judaic and Arabic for things like the sultanate, Bethesda, sheol, golgotha, Ezra, etc. IthilionTheBrave fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Aug 2, 2023 |
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Absolutely correct that doing that part blind is a gut clencher, Also though you can bully herodictus for the mark of death then inscribe... that also means you murdered your way through all the cherubs before, because if you are unmarked they will attack you on sight. So the recoming nook. There are... implications here, So for one, the sarcophagi of the Sultans act at a minimum as a connectivity device for the brain to the thinworld and brightsheol, possibly as a full uploader and digitizer of conciousness, with the nook clearly you can return from it as well. And quite possibly... the Sultan did, there might in the end only have been one Sultan of Qud who came back via this method repeatedly, which is why over the course of the 7000ish years of the games history that we have on record(and more before then that is lost or not mentioned in a time wise manner.) we only actually have 5 Sultans and Resheph. Or just Resheph. There are many alternatives as well, if these were more commonplace and used as a method of teleportation by the Eaters, making new bodies for themselves (which is why there are so many different creatures in Qud, all of them quite sapient as well) as they came and went from the wonders and decadence of the Thinworld. One potential reason for the Sultans is that the Eater's retreated to the thinworld as the interdiction came down and one single one would emerge every thousand or so years to scout things out on the ground, do maintenance, and see if the interdiction against space travel was lifted or not before returning. So much good lore here
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Clone, befriend, bond with and pilot ourselves. Be the Golem we want to see in Salum. As above, so below; as within, so without.
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Aug 2, 2023 04:49
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Do self-clones count as friendly followers?
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prisoner of waffles posted:Do self-clones count as friendly followers? If you make them yourself, yeah, they'll follow you around and do what you ask them to
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I'm torn between making a golem of oneself in an act of ego to match your inflated Ego stat, or to make a Slog Golem that's as Sloggy as possible. If you do make a golem of yourself, try to dismember your face for the body part slot. I'm not sure if it's come up in the LPs but you can dismember faces off creatures and wear them in your Face slot for an Ego boost based off the creature's level. There's nothing stopping you from wearing your own face if it gets dismembered and you pick it back up. You can also mod Two-Faced onto a helmet and get an extra Face slot that way, or have multiple heads/faces via mutations.
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MuffinsAndPie posted:Is it hinted anywhere about how long ago Reseph's reign was? I wonder how dilapidated everything was in his time, or how much of a mystery the eaters' actions/extent of their influence was for even them. did you not listen to the robot? Resheph's reign is ongoing 
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I'm sad Minmo never got to be a golem.
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also regarding zetachrome weapons, there's actually an even better option than Tilly or trawling the deep underground -- there's one more merchant, of an even higher item tier, in a main quest location we haven't been to yet
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Snake Maze posted:The hamsa is any one item that weighs less than 5 pounds. Cybernetic implants can be a good choice, since the golem will start with it installed, but there are lots of other fun effects you can get as well.
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:Can amaranthine prism be used as a hamsa and if yes, does it have any particularly fun effects? Trying to imagine the look on Indrix's face when you tell him that yes, you got the Prism, no, you don't have it, and don't worry, it's safely sealed into the heart of a giant biomechanical Gundam powered by psychic vibes and neutron flux
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you can polygel the amaranthine prism. why not both? e: i've also always wanted to see whether a certain deep endgame NPC reacts to the prism, although they probably don't
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IthilionTheBrave posted:There's nothing stopping you from wearing your own face if it gets dismembered and you pick it back up. You can also mod Two-Faced onto a helmet and get an extra Face slot that way, or have multiple heads/faces via mutations. this game loving rules
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AtomikKrab posted:There are many alternatives as well, if these were more commonplace and used as a method of teleportation by the Eaters, making new bodies for themselves (which is why there are so many different creatures in Qud, all of them quite sapient as well) as they came and went from the wonders and decadence of the Thinworld. One potential reason for the Sultans is that the Eater's retreated to the thinworld as the interdiction came down and one single one would emerge every thousand or so years to scout things out on the ground, do maintenance, and see if the interdiction against space travel was lifted or not before returning. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. Personally I think that the recoming nooks were used only under unusual circumstances, and most people who went to Bightsheol never returned. Partly because recoming nooks are very rare (we'll only ever find the one working one we used and the broken one in Hydropon - compare with the functional becoming nooks dotted all over Qud), and party just because of how entering Bightsheol seems to have a ritualistic finality to it. You shake the old life from your hair, and cross in to a new life in Brightsheol. (Although now that I think about it - I had assumed that the life gate contained medical facilities or mass-brain-upload technology or something, but I suppose it could also have been more recoming nooks.) Since we're on the topic of Lore, here's my own theory as to the timeline of the Tomb of the Eaters. This is a mixture of actual details from the game and filling in the blanks based on vibes and educated guesses, so I'll try to cite my sources.
The amaranthine prism posted:"When the Eaters lived and skirred the stars, they visited the worlds of a thousand thousand different beings, and those beings likewise visited our own world. Several of those beings had assembled a coven that spanned the firmament, and they welcomed the Eaters into its fold. For ages the civilizations of the coven knew kindness and prosperity, and to all reaches of the clustered cosmos did the domain of the coven stretch. One of the beings of the coven hailed from a faraway and darkling star. With Its mind It could fold the fabric of space and time as you or I might fold a supper cloth. To the coven It was known as Ptoh." Barathrum the Old posted:You see, nestling, in the earliest aurora of our past, the Eaters of Earth were joined by a great coven of beings that spanned the firmament. But the Eaters succumbed to some terrible temptation, and an injunction was placed on our world. Elder Irudad posted:An infernal creature of plague. But not for a millenium has... Why now? History of Resheph posted:$ Acting against a prohibition on the practice of worshipping the stars, Resheph led an army to the gates of Omonporch. There he defeated his brothers in battle and liberated its citizens, and they crowned him the sultan of Qud.
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I think the life gate may have indeed had a lot of recoming nooks in it. In all likelihood starfarer's Quay is at the top of the Spindle... or its the Rusted Archway. a Lot of Resheph's lore is centered in the region from Joppa towards the Tomb itself
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habituallyred posted:They got that: Salum Lol I'm a dummy and missed that. And I imagine it uses the same idea as like putting a coal fired steam engine on a flammable ship isolated out in the sea. There's precautions made surely! Personally, I trust Klanq Tuxedo Catfish posted:did you not listen to the robot? Resheph's reign is ongoing That poor robo's been up there all this time just waiting for the chance to engrave this massive 1000+ year history MuffinsAndPie fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Aug 2, 2023 |
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I caught up again! Poor Minmo.  Utterly brilliant strategy though, I'd never considered befriending an ooze and turning them into a hell sludgeSuper, super cool to see the Tomb of the Eaters, haven't made it that far yet, myself
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It's a little sad to spoil the tomb climax for people, I think we really landed that particular design, especially when you go in blind. On the other hand it's extremely good for more people to see that the game goes from like a normal dungeon crawler to ... less of a normal dungeon crawler by the end; so in short it is a land of contrasts and a great LP.
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Unormal posted:It's a little sad to spoil the tomb climax for people, I think we really landed that particular design, especially when you go in blind. On the other hand it's extremely good for more people to see that the game goes from like a normal dungeon crawler to ... less of a normal dungeon crawler by the end; so in short it is a land of contrasts and a great LP. Its a great game and one that I really enjoy making up my own lore based off the information that is left unfinished and for the player to ponder on. While for example I would absolutely love to go to one of the arcologies of the truekin, I think its fine to leave them outside of the scope of the game itself as something for the players to use their imagination on.
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Unormal posted:It's a little sad to spoil the tomb climax for people, I think we really landed that particular design, especially when you go in blind. On the other hand it's extremely good for more people to see that the game goes from like a normal dungeon crawler to ... less of a normal dungeon crawler by the end; so in short it is a land of contrasts and a great LP. I've been to Golgotha one thousand times and still feel my stomach drop When I start the game and hear Joppa's theme I relax and look around When I ASCEND I will be wet and luminous with the sight of a dimension stone
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My big lore question is: if Qud, or Salum, is near the Mediterranean or even in the former location of the Mediterranean, why build the spindle there? Wouldn't the Eaters have built it near the equator? Or is their stuff so good that they just didn't have to care?
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Unormal posted:It's a little sad to spoil the tomb climax for people, I think we really landed that particular design, especially when you go in blind. On the other hand it's extremely good for more people to see that the game goes from like a normal dungeon crawler to ... less of a normal dungeon crawler by the end; so in short it is a land of contrasts and a great LP. TECHNICALLY nobody described the thing yet, so: anyone unaware consider waiting for Snake Maze to drop the new update before reading more stuff. You might figured the what but the how is amazing
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The finale of the Tomb gets well-deserved praise for being incredible, but I don't want to sell the rest of the dungeon short. This is a tomb, a place for quiet contemplation... but instead it's absolute pandemonium. You have swarms of speedy ferrets causing mischief, graverobbers stealing anything they can find, Mopango poking around, slimes burning holes in the floor, and crypt sitters that'll go berserk and murder everything nearby. All of these factions are hostile to each other so there's constant fighting going on, and if any of their blood falls onto grave moss it blossoms into monsters that cause even more chaos. And on top of all of that, you have the bells of rest, forcing you to constantly be rushing, constantly avoiding getting caught up in some nonsense. And let's not forget that you yourself are also an invader here, the greatest thief of all time, capable of not only plundering the sultan's relics, but stealing the very place in heaven reserved for the Ghost-in-Cerulean himself. Golgotha feels disgusting, and Bethesda Susa feels freezing. The Tomb feels blasthemous.
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wiegieman posted:My big lore question is: if Qud, or Salum, is near the Mediterranean or even in the former location of the Mediterranean, why build the spindle there? Wouldn't the Eaters have built it near the equator? Or is their stuff so good that they just didn't have to care? Imho it's the latter, although it all depends on when the spindle was built On that note, here is a tangent on looking at the past in the game: So, the past of Qud has some great semiotics to consider. It's not a structured idea of past history the way we see our own past; it is quite possible that are entire periods or even ages of what would be the future to us. What I mean is that The Great Before isn't just the time of the Eaters: it's just a way to refer to a past that definitely existed, with material circumstances on the present, but has no structured signifiers to make it history as we understand it, like the mythic ages of antiquity. It's a pet idea that comes from stuff which are obviously intended as hypercapitalistic consumer products (snakelite, rocket skates, etc): in the way it comes to my mind, this period is very advanced, but still before integration with the larger galactic civilization. When that integration happens, this is where ultrafuturistic clusterfuck comes up: the canned have-it-alls, spray-a-brain, just pure unadultered hedonistic excess that comes with technology that far exceeds capitalism itself but with people figuring out the transitioning past it. Absolutely wondrous poo poo, straight-up thaumaturgy from the heavens being made into consumer goods because people are stampeded into unimaginable wealth and don't know how to quite deal with that yet. As that happens, transhumanism existed already, but true technological ascension has been made possible with galactic integration. This is a game-changer: how far you are into ascension measures social worth. A new conceptualization of nobility emerges through modification, which can be made artificially scarce and create a new form of privilege. Aristocrats arise, with their own peculiar economy of credits that subvert the post-scarcity world, walling out the unworthy. Who are the unworthy? Everybody else exposed to the technological shock of integration without regard or control, who suddenly are growing horns or wings or scales or beaks because they were served wondrous alien tech to eat and nobody cared to test. As the ascension through technology becomes more and more impressive, so do the changes and mutations become weirder and weirder. People become able to do photosynthesis, then suddenly are becoming plants, or is it vice-versa? Who the gently caress thought it was a good idea to make self-managing banana plantations by having sapient red dacca slave drivers? This has been a good while already. Then, oh boy, civilization figures out the psychic poo poo (at this point, in my imagination of things, the spindle has been built for a while but elevators are passé so it begins to be repurposed). With the psychic poo poo, things go really turbofucking heroic dose of shrooms reality-bending into the future. Multiple dimensions; temporal fuckery; doing a calculus exam wrong can evaporate a planet; gods in the great astral seas; loving precognition; consciousness can be transferred at will with no loss; beings that KNOW you are dimension-hopping and astral-warping as a get-out-of-jail-free-card and call you a normieturd cheating gently caress when you run back to your silly "onthological anchooors wahwah". Computation that can deal with all that poo poo to automate all the required work. At this point, somebody went and realized this might as well be New Jerusalem. There's no true death anymore, time is understood as something else entirely, there are absurd miracles happening everywhere and all the time at once. Mythic and holy names are used to describe those things: Baetyls can make anything in a nanosecond. This is the peak of that civilization, the Eaters. Also, another pet idea: the Kesil face is an artifact of that time, of the sultans before the sultanate, the rulers of Orion. The Sultanate of Qud only emerges as such when the Interdiction happens. (IDK what sort of completely loving ridiculous poo poo was done that got the intergalactic civilization to embargo the place; probably some total douchbag of an aristocrat decided to press the "DON'T PRESS THE BUTTON OR THE WRKNCACNTER WAKES UP" because his baetyl had a 0.0000000000132 seconds delay to properly configurate the ultrahypertranscendental cosmic sex dreamsystem for that week's Tantric Friday, and he totally lost his poo poo and pressed the button in a tantrum, ruining the whole loving deal) dead gay comedy forums fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Aug 3, 2023 |
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This is why I fuckin love Qud. Nice Marathon ref, too
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Snake Maze posted:[*]1000 years later, a signal of welcoming is broadcasted from the top of the spindle. (Is it from someone who's landed at the top of the spindle? Or is it emitted by the spindle itself, welcoming others from beyond the stars? Resheph's old project reactivating?) I wonder if there's more to the timing here. We learn about the signal because Argyve basically reinvents radio and hears it. One might assume this could imply that Argyve accidentally caused it, but Mehmet gives us the Watervine quest before we get Argyve's wire, so the girshling plague had already started before Argyve finished his project. I feel its a bit too coincidental that the signal just happened to start shortly before a guy invented a way to intercept it. However maybe one of Argyve's earlier attempts at the radio broadcasted a signal to reboot Resheph's project. This could explain why the girshlings are so far from the moon stair - they beelined to the area where the interdiction was violated. This may also explain why Joppa is destroyed when you don't start there - if no one clears out red rock then the Girshlings erupt from the red rock tunnel and wipe out Joppa in response to Argyve messing with forces he doesn't understand. I read something a while back that you can find a frozen clone of yourself deep in the caves, so maybe you're also some sort of response that was activated too. Perhaps you're part of the plague, perhaps something Resheph set up to trying to maintain the interdiction. (maybe even a clone of him, given that herodictus is so easily convinced that you're Resheph)
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Further Reading posted:I wonder if there's more to the timing here. We learn about the signal because Argyve basically reinvents radio and hears it. One might assume this could imply that Argyve accidentally caused it, but Mehmet gives us the Watervine quest before we get Argyve's wire, so the girshling plague had already started before Argyve finished his project. You can find multiple cyrotubes if you dig enough, more saad amus's, more of yourself, even extra Mehmet's.
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wiegieman posted:My big lore question is: if Qud, or Salum, is near the Mediterranean or even in the former location of the Mediterranean, why build the spindle there? Wouldn't the Eaters have built it near the equator? Or is their stuff so good that they just didn't have to care? They shifted the planet's rotation and magnetic axis to suit it and that's why the weather's all hosed up. This started as a joke answer but I now realize that it's entirely consistent with the power and hubris of the Eaters so I'm actually kind of into it now
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wiegieman posted:My big lore question is: if Qud, or Salum, is near the Mediterranean or even in the former location of the Mediterranean, why build the spindle there? Wouldn't the Eaters have built it near the equator? Or is their stuff so good that they just didn't have to care? maybe the planet's tilt shifted and that is the equator now efb Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Aug 3, 2023 |
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This LP has done a lot to get me interested in buying and playing qud, story spoilers or no; I've always found rogue-ish games more complex than nethack to be fairly impenetrable.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:TECHNICALLY nobody described the thing yet, so: anyone unaware consider waiting for Snake Maze to drop the new update before reading more stuff. You might figured the what but the how is amazing It's possible I'm totally misreading your post, and if so I apologize, but did you miss the most recent update? I think I posted it a couple seconds before you the other day. We've been to brightsheol and back, we're past the tomb now.
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Snake Maze posted:It's possible I'm totally misreading your post, and if so I apologize, but did you miss the most recent update? I think I posted it a couple seconds before you the other day. We've been to brightsheol and back, we're past the tomb now. I'm telling you people, this game, it causes temporal fuckery even irl (totally missed it somehow, thanks for letting me know)  also: lmaaao
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