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beats for junkies posted:
I'll forgive you for forgetting the West Wing 9/11 episode. I'd pity you if you remembered it.
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Mr Interweb posted:the best thing that could be said about The West Wing is that it is miles ahead of the utterly goddawful The Newsroom Sorkin peaked with Sports Night
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Aug 2, 2023 09:32
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Jedit posted:I'll forgive you for forgetting the West Wing 9/11 episode. I'd pity you if you remembered it. That was officially stated as out of continuity - part of that strange cultural moment when pop culture felt it was necessary that they comment on 9/11 even if it didn't make much sense for them to do so that also gave us the Spider-Man 9/11 comic.
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Aug 2, 2023 09:39
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The West Wing was the ultimate liberal fantasy: Eight years in office, always having the moral high ground, always being the smartest people in the room, never accomplishing anything. I expect the show runners feared the show would not feel "relevant" if they diverged from reality by implemening good policies that didn't exist irl, but that meant they couldn't go more left wing than the Bush administration. And they gave no in-universe reason these good smart people couldn't achieve something like same sex marriage. Was it because the Republicans are evil stupid assholes, constantly screeching culture war bullshit? Nope! In later seasons, the Republican presidential candidate was a major character and he was of course a good, honourable man who always argued in good faith.
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Aug 2, 2023 10:37
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Angry Salami posted:That was officially stated as out of continuity - part of that strange cultural moment when pop culture felt it was necessary that they comment on 9/11 even if it didn't make much sense for them to do so that also gave us the Spider-Man 9/11 comic. Didn't they try to present this even handed message about why there was so much anger in the middle east and went with some Biblical answer instead of 'We've been really lovely to the people that live there'
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Aug 2, 2023 12:36
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It's because the type of liberals that love/emulate The West Wing truly and genuinely believe the lie "it doesn't matter if you win or lose but how you play the game" that they were told as kids.
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Aug 2, 2023 13:11
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Mr Interweb posted:the best thing that could be said about The West Wing is that it is miles ahead of the utterly goddawful The Newsroom He's standing in the middle of Afghanistan.
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bitterandtwisted posted:The West Wing was the ultimate liberal fantasy: Eight years in office, always having the moral high ground, always being the smartest people in the room, never accomplishing anything. This is to buy into reactionaries' own ideology that they are "conservative" in the literal sense--they are not and have never been, they have always wanted radical, sweeping changes to society to make it more repressive and hierarchical than it has ever been. The really dictionary-definition conservative people of America are centrist liberals, and for them the West Wing represents not only accomplishment, but accomplishing pretty much everything they want, which is to block any substantive change to America's political system and society, in any direction. The West Wing is for people for whom 1990s neoliberal America is just fine, thank you and don't want any new policies at all, because they think any attempt to change America's direction to left or right will screw everything up, and that the world outside will never make conditions in America change if they just want things to stay the same hard enough. They do not just think "this is fine" but "this is great, this is perfect, this is the best society that has ever existed".
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Woolie Wool posted:This is to buy into reactionaries' own ideology that they are "conservative" in the literal sense--they are not and have never been, they have always wanted radical, sweeping changes to society to make it more repressive and hierarchical than it has ever been. The really dictionary-definition conservative people of America are centrist liberals, and for them the West Wing represents not only accomplishment, but accomplishing pretty much everything they want, which is to block any substantive change to America's political system and society, in any direction. The West Wing is for people for whom 1990s neoliberal America is just fine, thank you and don't want any new policies at all, because they think any attempt to change America's direction to left or right will screw everything up, and that the world outside will never make conditions in America change if they just want things to stay the same hard enough. They do not just think "this is fine" but "this is great, this is perfect, this is the best society that has ever existed". We are living at the end of history
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Woolie Wool posted:This is to buy into reactionaries' own ideology that they are "conservative" in the literal sense--they are not and have never been, they have always wanted radical, sweeping changes to society to make it more repressive and hierarchical than it has ever been. The really dictionary-definition conservative people of America are centrist liberals, and for them the West Wing represents not only accomplishment, but accomplishing pretty much everything they want, which is to block any substantive change to America's political system and society, in any direction. The West Wing is for people for whom 1990s neoliberal America is just fine, thank you and don't want any new policies at all, because they think any attempt to change America's direction to left or right will screw everything up, and that the world outside will never make conditions in America change if they just want things to stay the same hard enough. They do not just think "this is fine" but "this is great, this is perfect, this is the best society that has ever existed". They think, “this is the natural order of things and the only possibility.”
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I AM GRANDO posted:They think, “this is the natural order of things and the only possibility.” Still too passive compared to their active, dedicated commitment to making sure nothing changes. They admit other things are possible but actively try to prevent those things from happening. Not a do-nothing presidency, a stop-everything presidency.
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beats for junkies posted:Yeah, West Wing didn't age poorly because it was never good. The biggest accomplishment of Bartlet's presidency was privatizing Social Security. Does the audio quality ever improve? I just finished the first episode, and I had to constantly adjust the volume. Kaiju Cage Match has a new favorite as of 00:53 on Aug 3, 2023 |
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Does the audio quality ever improve? I just finished the first episode, and I had to constantly adjust the volume. you're asking if a Dave Anthony podcast ever gets better audio, the answer is absolutely not lol
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I AM GRANDO posted:King Features did try to get some of their properties on tv in the 70s: mllaneza posted:And again in the 90s with an absolutely wild cyberpunk storyline and art by the character designer for Aeon Flux. I'm 5 episodes in, and drat if it isn't really good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nblpob8gyzs They barely had enough characters to put together a team.
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Halloween Jack posted:Did we miss this one in the middle? Let's not forget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v87iwPlNBcY Great opening song, and a rare attempt at a serialized story in a children's cartoon. A decent show for its time.
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Yeah, that's...unusually chill for a show designed to grab kids' attention. I remember seeing it as a kid, but I think it was one of those shows that came on so early Saturday morning that even I couldn't get up in time for it. And Tim Curry was in it! I wish Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates hadn't vanished down the memory hole.
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Tim Curry was everywhere He was the most recurring villain on the Little Mermaid prequel series. Which I had buried in my memories until today due to the youtube algorithm.
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Halloween Jack posted:I wish Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates hadn't vanished down the memory hole. drat, that's a trip in the way the gently caress back machine. I vaguely remember the episode where the mermaids were trying to drown Wendy.
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Halloween Jack posted:Did we miss this one in the middle? Stan Lee wrote the lyrics to that opening!
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Suleman posted:Let's not forget Younger Me hated the Prince Valiant comic strip (I should look into it one of these days though) but if I had know this was a thing I probably would have been way into it.
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Prince Valiant was never worth the extra effort required to read the font.
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Nameless Pete posted:Prince Valiant was never worth the extra effort required to read the font.
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Yeah Prince Valiant legitimately owns. The art is gorgeous, the plots are fun, and Val himself is a really charming character despite his stupid haircut
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DACK FAYDEN posted:The PYF Comics thread is posting old Prince Valiant (like the 1940s) and it's both gorgeous and also he murders like twenty people and doesn't give a poo poo about anything which is kind of startling to see in a nwspaper comic One time someone tries to steal Val's stuff while he's skinny dipping and Val gets halfway through drowning him with his bare hands before he goes "hmm, maybe I should talk this guy first"
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DACK FAYDEN posted:a nwspaper comic Oh poo poo there's nudity too? edit the holy poopacy posted:One time someone tries to steal Val's stuff while he's skinny dipping and Val gets halfway through drowning him with his bare hands before he goes "hmm, maybe I should talk this guy first" Ok well guess that solves that
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Baron von Eevl posted:Oh poo poo there's nudity too? Modesty Blaise was cancelled decades ago, unfortunately.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Modesty Blaise was cancelled decades ago, unfortunately.
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My controversial West Wing opinion is that Two Cathedrals, the episode where Bartlet yells at God in Latin, is really loving overrated. And the misogyny really was A Lot on my last rewatch. There's an early episode where Bartlet and Leo just stand around and smugly congratulate themselves on having female employees who can actually do stuff! They are almost as good as men! Also the episode where Bartlet's daughter gets harassed by some creep in a bar and the Secret Service arrests him, and Bartlet YELLS AT HER because it's her fault.
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Sounds like The West Wing was accidentally realistic about the people it was portraying
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the_steve posted:We are living at the end of history The old world is dead but a new one struggles to be born. We live in the Time of Monsters.
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mllaneza posted:Strange New Worlds hung a lamp on that this season. Time travelers keep loving with important events but the timestream keeps adjusting back as best it can. Ricardo Montalban still conquered the Earth, but "now" it happened later. He covered the planet in rich, Corinthian leather, the bastard. Snowglobe of Doom posted:My go-to example is the entire Westerns genre. The "Wild West" era was a very specific time from 1865 and the 1890 and since it was immediately after the Civil War there were a lot of freed African Americans migrating into the area trying to forge a new life on the frontier. At least 1/3 of the cowboys in the 'wild west' were African American but the Western genre was very much whitewashed back during its peak and in most of the old Western movies and TV shows you barely ever saw any African Americans at all. Of course there's been some notable examples in recent times where that trend was finally reversed. Any excuse to post this video essay, which, now that I think about it, is perfectly apt for this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzMFoNZeZm0 Do not worry, the premise isn't what you're worried it might be. It's quite the opposite.
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the holy poopacy posted:One time someone tries to steal Val's stuff while he's skinny dipping and Val gets halfway through drowning him with his bare hands before he goes "hmm, maybe I should talk this guy first" Val is basically a shonen hero, where half the people he almost kills end up his friends.
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The Wild West ended with the last stagecoach robbery in 1916
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People definitely underestimate how recent that history is, especially for more rural parts of the US. My great-great-aunt on my mom's side used to share stories with child me about fording the Red River with a covered wagon in the early 1920s to move to Texas. And I grew up in a rural area that didn't have municipal electric or water utilities until the 1970s. Fairly cheap to tap into the water and power infrastructure going to the rural schools if you lived on those particular roads before then, but otherwise people had to pay for the entire cost of installation if they wanted electricity or water for their house. Due to cost, most opted for wells/cisterns as a water supply and simply not having electricity. Even in my late 90s/early 00s childhood a lot of people who lived off the FM roads bought clean water from the nearest town for drinking/eating while still using cistern water for everything else, living in houses where electric outlets and appliances had been obviously added decades after their initial construction.
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FreudianSlippers posted:The Wild West ended with the last stagecoach robbery in 1916 Wild West media, which is the focus of this thread, peaked in 1999: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zXKtfKnfT8
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The West Wing ended with the last stagecoach robbery in 1916
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Robbing stagecoaches was the height of leftist propaganda.
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President Josiah Edward "Jed" Bartlet would frequently host screenings of "Wild Wild West" in the White House Family Theater for visiting dignitaries.
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Desert Bus posted:President Josiah Edward "Jed" Bartlet would frequently host screenings of "Wild Wild West" in the White House Family Theater for visiting dignitaries. There's one scene early on where Leo is doing a crossword puzzle and I thought that was interesting but it is never mentioned again nor is he ever seen working on one on camera. There's also one episode where the President off-handedly mentions making chili but is never shown to have actually done it.
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Bartlett, whispering, with a knowing look, to Shinzo Abe: “You know, spiders are the fiercest killers in the animal kingdom. You know you gotta be careful around spiders. So if you had a big one -- imagine how deadly they are!”
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