Maximum Pepsi posted:

I know how I learn, I guess I can only speak from my own experience. but someone yelling/scolding me makes me want to do the opposite of whatever.

Tesseraction posted:

Every day my teachers used to burst through the door and kick the poo poo out of me until I could integrate by parts.

Gorn Myson posted:

I prefer crisp chat to this.

Maximum Pepsi posted:

I know how I learn, I guess I can only speak from my own experience. but someone yelling/scolding me makes me want to do the opposite of whatever.

can't work how to quote u seb sorry, but yeah I agree.

I honestly belive a labour govrnment will be slightly less poo poo that a tory one. but it is marginal. so.

like sorry going back to it but, the best teachers I had at school didn't (neccesarly) scold me. They showed me by example. That is how I learned.

grobbo posted:

My controversial opinion is that all ice-cream cones should come with the fun little blob of chocolate you get at the bottom of a Cornetto.

OwlFancier posted:

Now if you don't do that, you let people settle in one place, keep their existing relationships etc, what's the plan for stopping the surrounding people from treating them like dogshit? Because if you can't sort out prejudices keeping people from employment, having a good school life in the schools you want them to go to, general mistreatment from others, then you're going to create a ghetto, a place where "undesirable" people live and which is shunned by people with money and power, it's what happens very frequently with all kinds of minorities.

OwlFancier posted:

And it happens because, as I keep saying, the problem is with the hegemonic society. You need to stop society from wronging people first because if you don't then anything else you try is going to be utterly destroyed by those same behaviours from society.

DreddyMatt posted:

Yeah, that's a valid point, but integrating with the community and getting along is what society is about. People living and working together and seeing that we're all just people is how it has worked in this country whenever a minority community or immigrants have moved into an area.

poo poo as this place may be, we don't have regular race riots in communities with lots of immigrants. There are no no-go zones in London

Reveilled posted:

Here's the thing, though. You mentioned that a post in this thread had helped you recognise your "prejudice for (maybe) the first time". I'd ask that you stop and think about what that means. It means that in this thread, the attitudes you were expressing were prejudiced. They had to be, right? For that post to respond to what you were saying and get you to realise that?

The key insight that should follow from that is this: Saying prejudiced things is offensive. It upsets them, it makes them angry, and they're not wrong to feel that way.

And we have a socially acceptable mechanism for dealing with that. When you're in a conversation with a group of people, and you say something that the group finds highly offensive, you're societally expected to apologise for the offensive thing you said, and most people would consider the polite thing to do to be to exit from the situation after the apology until things cool down a bit. That doesn't mean you wouldn't be welcome back in future--though on your return you might occasionally have to reiterate that you really are still sorry for the offensive attitude you expressed (and ideally, that you've re-examined your prejudice and hopefully shed it).

But what you probably shouldn't do, if you've expressed a view that you yourself have now realised is prejudiced and offended a large number of people in the process, is stick around, continue to argue with people who are offended, and make out that they're the problem for getting upset about the prejudiced views you expressed. That's not going to help you assimilate to the posting climate in here, if you catch my drift.

Dr. Cool Aids posted:

cum

crispix posted:

Maximum Pepsi posted:

Maybe there are GRT ppl qwho post on this dead-gay forum. If they do post here I am genuninnly sorry. Not just sorry for the offence caused, but sorry for offending them.

I'm sorry for being that oval office/prick.

But I mean who are you being offended on behalf of?

I try when I post y'know.

I mean gently caress it by blood im a 1/4 irish myself so maybe I should be offened.

I guess this is part of posting online. like maybe a grt person could have read my post and been offended. for that I am genuinly sorry. like I feel like I am apologising to you and idk why?

Maximum Pepsi posted:

I try when I post y'know.

Maximum Pepsi posted:

Maybe there are GRT ppl qwho post on this dead-gay forum. If they do post here I am genuninnly sorry. Not just sorry for the offence caused, but sorry for offending them.

I'm sorry for being that oval office/prick.

But I mean who are you being offended on behalf of?

I try when I post y'know.

I mean gently caress it by blood im a 1/4 irish myself so maybe I should be offened.

I guess this is part of posting online. like maybe a grt person could have read my post and been offended. for that I am genuinly sorry. like I feel like I am apologising to you and idk why?

Reveilled posted:

That's not going to help you assimilate to the posting climate in here, if you catch my drift.

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No-one likes to be scolded

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Refused a drink, scapegoated by MPs: Gypsy, Roma and Traveller life in Britain is only getting harder

When I arrived at the north London pub 20 minutes late, my friend was midway through her latest romantic drama. She was having relationship troubles with her (live-in!) boyfriend of two weeks, and with every twist and turn in the story our noisy histrionics increased. Across from us, a group of about 30 people sat spread across several tables, quietly enjoying a twixtmas drink. After an abortive attempt to secure a drink through the app, I went to the bar.

As I arrived, two of the people from the tables across from us were also there, attempting to do the same. The staff behind the bar refused to serve them and when they argued back, the whole bar was shut. As I returned to the table, my friend was still in full flow. Over her shoulder, I saw the ominous hi-vis jackets of two Metropolitan police officers enter the pub and talk to the bar staff before approaching the group next to us. Before long another dozen or so arrived, demanding that they leave. Their crime? Being Travellers in a pub.

We protested over their eviction and ended up in a confrontation with the officers, before leaving with the group. Outside, shaken up and annoyed, we chatted to some of those who’d been ejected. “Don’t bother yourselves about it,” they told me. “It happens all the time.”

For people even tangentially connected or aware of the Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities (GRT), this incident is not particularly surprising. Nor is this week’s news that the Welsh secretary and Monmouth MP, David TC Davies, had distributed a leaflet encouraging people to air their views on the “establishment of a number of Gypsy Traveller sites in the county”.

The leaflets have come under sharp criticism – some have said they “border on racism” (for what it’s worth, I’d say they’re overtly racist), while others have rightly argued they are emblematic of the continued creation of a hostile environment for GRT people. The reality is these leaflets once again expose a complex system of oppression and persecution that aims to eradicate GRT people and culture. This country has a long history of propagating this kind of racism, and it has only increased in the past few years.

A 2017 BBC investigation found that less than a third of pitches needed by these communities had been built, with many local authorities leaving unspent funds allocated for the creation of such resources. In its 2019 election manifesto, the Conservative party promised to “crack down on unauthorised encampments” and did so with the passing of the public order legislation that criminalised trespass.

It is said that anti-GRT sentiment is the last acceptable form of bigotry. I know that if you ask any of my black, Muslim, or transgender friends, for example, they would quite rightly push back on this, but it does speak to a bigger truth. Any time I mention my Romany heritage online, even in passing, my mentions immediately fill up with slurs. In the real world, I have lost count of the number of times people, even those who would consider themselves nominally “of the left” have slipped in a slur or a trope into casual conversation (before immediately rowing back when I pull them up on it).

Indeed, a report by the Traveller movement found that 91% of GRT people had experienced discrimination, with 77% having been victims of hate speech or hate crimes. The survey also found that 40% of British parents would be “unhappy” with a close family member forming a relationship with a Traveller. A 2018 report found that 44% of people feel comfortable expressing anti-Gypsy sentiment, the highest number of respondents, with the second (22%) being happy to be openly Islamophobic.

Let’s be very clear: this is not just an issue with the Conservative party. Anti-GRT sentiment exists across the political spectrum – in 2021, Labour MP Charlotte Nichols had to apologise for her own set of leaflets which promised to deal with “Gypsy incursions”. In 2016, the shadow minister for domestic violence and safeguarding, Jess Philips, tweeted: “To my constituents, we have informed the council and the police about the traveller camp arriving on the Poolway”, apparently forgetting that those in the camp were also her constituents.

The media are also not without blame. From incendiary columns to bungled “investigations” into “traveller crime”, the collective impact of the centuries-old onslaught on GRT people is to continue to posit them as subhuman. As not worthy of safety, security or happiness. GRT people have some of the worst health outcomes across any group. The average life expectancy for GRT men and women is 50. There is poverty, deprivation and vast mental health issues. The collective attack on communities does nothing to deal with these problems – through isolation and prejudice it exacerbates them, while criminalising groups of people based on their ethnicity.

This leaflet row has fallen in the same week as Roma and Sinti Genocide Remembrance Day. It should act as a reminder that we must learn from the past and replace the campaign of hatred and denigration with a recognition of GRT people as human beings deserving of investment, of opportunity and of hope.

sebzilla posted:

This thread is getting a bit much, can we all be outraged about this instead for a bit?

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1686760950039183362?s=20

A quarter of respondents don't think people on benefits should be able to afford gas, electricity, water, or a balanced diet.

Maximum Pepsi posted:

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History Comes Inside! posted:

I was thinking about electric cars the other day, I don’t even know how my wife is gonna handle it and we own a house with a driveway and everything.

smellmycheese posted:

So, anyway, what’s the threads thoughts on London?

Pistol_Pete posted:

Looks like Wilko's might collapse! Where will I get my cheap DIY stuff from in future??

DesperateDan posted:

I want to add something important and thought provoking to my previous london trip report

after I got home my bogeys were all clean and fresh, whereas as a kid I distinctly remember mining coal out of there each time I went

DesperateDan posted:

I wanted an electric car and would have paid more for one but have the same issues- can't charge at home, local chargers are almost always out of service or occupied- they seem to get added to a car park, fail, then sit a few months before another is installed

I want to add something important and thought provoking to my previous london trip report

after I got home my bogeys were all clean and fresh, whereas as a kid I distinctly remember mining coal out of there each time I went

this would actually be a loving blow, only place I can get bird balls semi-cheaply anymore since b&m got pricey on em

smellmycheese posted:

Mods were nappin on this thread for last 24 hours.

Failed Imagineer posted:

I guess it's the unfortunate downside of having a pretty loosely moderated and chill thread where regulars can tell each other to gently caress off or derail about electricity substations for 3 pages. Occasionally you'll get some drive-by trolling/racists

Tesseraction posted:

Well clearly you bankrupted them with yer birdy balls!

Pistol_Pete posted:

Did you avoid the Underground? The air down there is truly filthy and absolutely does coat your nostrils with soot.