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Egg Moron posted:Look here tankies, let us draw a distinction between being of the Nazis and being with the nazis True, like, if someone had a friend who was a serial baby arsonist and that someone was present to thousands of "babies set on fire"-type incident, regularly helped the aforementioned arsonist to procure matches, gasoline and babies, on many occasions lied to or misdirected people trying to arrest the arsonist, provided the arsonist with shelter, food and medical treatment when that arsonist was on the run or burned or regularly through the use of different media spread pro-pyroinfantist points of views, would it be reasonable to say that said person is a bad person like the baby arsonist? And also that person has a personal airforce that retains a burning baby as a military emblem for decades after the baby arsonist is arrested and okay that analogy is getting too dumb even for me January 6 Survivor has issued a correction as of 19:39 on Aug 3, 2023 |
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Similarly, this thread is mostly of the tankies while fizzy and mlmp are merely with the tankies
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Aug 3, 2023 19:59
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The good news needs more and more redactions.
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Cookie Cutter posted:twitter username rear end flag collection
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Cpt_Obvious posted:The good news needs more and more redactions.
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Ukraine achieving crushing victories ever closer to Kiev.
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Orange Devil posted:Ukraine achieving crushing victories ever closer to Kiev. what is the original source of this, was it an egyptian pharoah who had carvings of victories against an enemy that got closer and closer to home? i remember hearing about it but not being able to google it again
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celadon posted:what is the original source of this, was it an egyptian pharoah who had carvings of victories against an enemy that got closer and closer to home? i remember hearing about it but not being able to google it again The one that is really familiar to me is the Japanese in WW2 would always report total victories in battles where the entire enemy force was wiped out by the Japanese (sometimes in glorious last stands) but anyone with a map could see that each successive victory was located on an island closer to Japan than the last.
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Starsfan posted:The one that is really familiar to me is the Japanese in WW2 would always report total victories in battles where the entire enemy force was wiped out by the Japanese (sometimes in glorious last stands) but anyone with a map could see that each successive victory was located on an island closer to Japan than the last. the one that i didnt even think of until it came up in this thread (or us loses wwiii thread) was that the fighter pilots who shoot down a million planes are doing so often because they have more planes to shoot at, i.e. are outnumbered. so a side with a lot of aces could easily be the losing side
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Aug 3, 2023 20:50
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celadon posted:what is the original source of this, was it an egyptian pharoah who had carvings of victories against an enemy that got closer and closer to home? i remember hearing about it but not being able to google it again Ramesses II and the Kadesh stele? Or maybe Merneptah and the Sea People at Perire, or Ramesses III at Djahy and the Delta? e: I'm not sure if Kadesh was commemorated on a stele, it may have been a wall at a funerary temple.
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Aug 3, 2023 20:53
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yeah now that I think on it a bit longer I seem to recall hearing something of the sort involving ancient Egypt as well, but I can't find anything on it now.. maybe it's a mandela effect thing lol.. I'm sure it's been reoccurring throughout history at different times and places.
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celadon posted:the one that i didnt even think of until it came up in this thread (or us loses wwiii thread) was that the fighter pilots who shoot down a million planes are doing so often because they have more planes to shoot at, i.e. are outnumbered. so a side with a lot of aces could easily be the losing side I suspect that the fighter pilots who shot down a hundred planes and the attack pilots who claimed literally a thousand tanks were often just liars.
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OctaMurk posted:I suspect that the fighter pilots who shot down a hundred planes and the attack pilots who claimed literally a thousand tanks were often just liars. I can confirm, this is how I became a fighter ace.
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i'm p sure that the reporting crushing victories ever closer to home trick was invented slightly after someone came up with the concept of propaganda but a bit before the series of very defensive wars that just so happen to massively expand your country
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Frosted Flake posted:Okay, so overlooking the incorrect lessons NATO may have learned from this, we didn't even give Ukraine the same tools. If you believe fortifications are obsolete because you can assemble a massive air campaign against a mostly hapless enemy, that does not mean fortifications are obsolete without the air campaign, or if the enemy isn't hapless. If Ukraine had 2500 aircraft and bombed those positions for 40 days, then mostly manoeuvred around them through empty desert, sure. Why would they possibly succeed, even if you believe NATO has a method to overcome them? you get shouted down by alternating yells of kyiv/kherson/kharkiv and then someone hits you with a stack of papers printed off of the institute for the study of war website
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The US army at least seems to have learned something from the conflict and is switching back to a division focused component by the looks of it. At least thats their intent, we will see if congress even lets them. Its funny because in that article you saw a bunch of retired officers from the iraq / afghanistan wars complaining that the brigade combat team is the right call because thats what worked against a none existent army and substance farmers during that time.
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celadon posted:the one that i didnt even think of until it came up in this thread (or us loses wwiii thread) was that the fighter pilots who shoot down a million planes are doing so often because they have more planes to shoot at, i.e. are outnumbered. so a side with a lot of aces could easily be the losing side Luftwaffe Experten are worth discussing for a bunch of reasons, not least because it's one of the easiest tells between people who "are into WW2", wargamers/gamers, amateur historians and so on, on an ascending scale to professional historians. NATO military officers are not at the highest end of this scale, particularly in the postwar years when they were enamoured with these celebrities firsthand, making them head of the recreated Luftwaffe, for example. The reason being that, not only did they lie at all levels, but the cult of Experten is a major reason the Luftwaffe failed. See, the USAF and RAF had talented pilots too. Once they gained reputations as skilled combat pilots they were withdrawn from combat to train new pilots, command squadrons, or work in the staff. Air combat, according to the literature, is something that it's very hard to identify talent in. Some lovely pilots, like Richthofen are absolute killers in the air - their skill wouldn't necessarily be identified in training. Other pilots, like Ball, are average fliers, but respond really well to training. Overall about 10% of combat pilots, across all wars so far as I know, account for 90% of aerial kills. It's unpredictable who will emerge as a gifted pilot, and what enables them to understand air combat the way they do. The other 90% of pilots in their own air force therefore serve the function of allowing that 10% to survive, and carry out their mission, by being competent wingmen. Also, this has come up in this thread across all sorts of military operations, most of the time pilots are flying they are not in air-to-air combat. Right? They're patrolling, they're bombing ground targets, they're on training flights, they're escorting bombers and attack aircraft. So institutionally it's much easier to raise the floor of pilot skill across the entire airforce than to cater to that 10% at the absolute pinnacle. They benefit from any organizational improvements, and those also help everybody else. So using those experienced pilots in staff roles to develop tactics from their experience helps everyone. Even if it doesn't help everyone run up 5 air-to-air kills, it keeps them alive. Using those pilots in command positions means that their experience lends itself to managing personnel, planning missions, and providing squadron level training. That means the squadron as a whole does better, not just the one exceptionally talented individual in it. Using experienced pilots for pilot training raises the skill level of the entire force, and a lot of their teaching is not in fancy air combat manoeuvring but basic techniques to stay alive, say teaching students how to ditch in the ocean, something they might have learned from experience in their last combat mission. Now, when those pilots are taken out of the war to do that, they are not running up the scoreboard anymore. For the Germans, that was more important, so they hardly ever withdrew successful pilots, Experten, from combat. They flew until they died. When they died, their experience died with them. This had a variety of knock on effects when the war starts going poorly. To the point where the Luftwaffe training system basically collapses. Luftwaffe pilots died in huge numbers in takeoff and landing accidents in 1944-45. Many of them barely knew how to fly their aircraft. The Experten still scored well, but died at a higher rate as their wingmen were unable to protect them. The overall effectiveness of the Luftwaffe on a per-mission basis also fell because those new pilots often had to abort before reaching the target, because their engines had overheated for example, or they were less effective at routine tasks like delivering bombs on target or spotting Allied aircraft before they got jumped. So, the well-publicized celebrities actually cost them in the end as the Air Force, as an institution, failed. The same thing happened with Kriegsmarine U-Boat Aces and to a degree Panzer Aces as well. There are some good books and articles, but the best ones are on one of those 1990's webpages I can't remember the name of.
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thats really interesting i always just assumed the fighter pilot guys werent ever the same as the training guys but thats pretty unjustified. i wonder the degree to which you can generalize it in terms of it being a cautionary tail of basically forcing your specialized individuals to become more and more specialized instead of using them to keep training and development going. like the failure of companies to promote talented individuals internally leads to massive loss of institutional knowledge when they jump ship, instead of temporarily losing that talented individual from the place where they are being used but gaining their skills at training or in teaching a number of people
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https://twitter.com/farhip/status/1687164747043520516?s=61&t=ekRyXxBjaNIALwWgK2O6xQ kyivan Russ is the handsomest man on television
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Per, the Journal of Defence Studies, I can confirm that NATO did not learn anything and in fact internalized all the wrong lessons: By a convention established in World War I a fighter pilot with five kills became an ace. In World War II the same standard was used by the Allies, while the Luftwaffe adopted the term Experte. Experten had to demonstrate overall proficiency in combat rather than attain a set number of victories. This method allowed comparative awards to be made to airmen flying different types, in different roles and operating in differing theatres. The nomenclature of the Luftwaffe system disguises the incredible results achieved by its fighter pilots (Jagdflieger). Any Allied pilot who achieved over 60 kills was regarded as exceptional, yet when Jagdflieger records became available after the war, they were totally eclipsed by the performance of the Luftwaffe fighter pilots. Applying the ‘Allied’ convention, the Germans had over 2,500 ‘aces’ and, at the higher end of the scale, just 35 pilots were credited with 6,848 kills – an average of 196. Some fought from 1936 with the Legion Kondor in Spain until the final air battles over southern Germany and Austria in May 1945. Most had been shot down more than once (Erich Hartmann, the highest scoring ace with 354 victories, was shot down eight times) and many suffered serious injuries. But despite the deteriorating odds faced by the Jagdflieger as the war progressed and the contradicting and often illogical direction from the Nazi hierarchy – they flew on with pride and determination. The modern Luftwaffe was formed in 1954. This new air force was heavily influenced by the United States and indeed the early aircraft were exclusively American. Despite nervousness by many Germans about re-arming so soon after the war, a number of Jagdflieger were influential in its establishment. The postwar German constitution prevented the Luftwaffe from participating in offensive operations for 50 years until JaboG (fighter- bomber wing) 32 began flying missions over Bosnia in 1995. Today’s Luftwaffe is a large bureaucratic organisation, often burdened with rules and regulations unfamiliar to other modern air forces, possibly because the organisation was required from the outset to be more accountable to its citizens than its Third Reich predecessor. Though it is difficult to directly compare the World War II Luftwaffe with its modern equivalent, this article will demonstrate that there are aspects of the Jagdflieger culture that have transitioned, probably subconsciously, into today’s air force.  It kills me that we're obsessed with the military we thoroughly defeated. "You know what we need to cultivate in the 21st century Air Force? Drinking, Girls, religion and superstition. Make sure there are scarves too." "The Luftwaffe is often burdened with rules and regulations unfamiliar to other modern air forces, because the organisation was required from the outset to be more accountable to its citizens than its Third Reich predecessor." "A number of Jagdflieger were influential in its establishment."  "How could those bureaucrats do this?!"
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it's not quite on-topic, but it seems like this thread has the kind of people that have answers to this kind of question: What's a good ratio between annual household income and price of accommodation (for purchase, not renting)? I'm thinking about to what degree that metric represents the health of an economy.
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https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/zelensky-showing--authoritarian-traits---says-swiss-intelligence-report/48652496quote:swissinfo.ch zelensky's being hit with the dreaded authoritarian label so if this spring counteroffensive turns badly a lot of people are suddenly going to remember stuff like banning other parties from running
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lol they're setting the table to get rid of him
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My son is on the authoritarian spectrum, he has several authoritarian traits
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If Americans suddenly start to express concern about the authoritarian cracking down on a major religion in his country, he's Diem.
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tazjin posted:it's not quite on-topic, but it seems like this thread has the kind of people that have answers to this kind of question: I don't know if this is what you're angling towards but I always was told that the comfortable threshold for a mortgage is maximum 3x the gross annual household income (so if your household brings in $80,000 per year, you could borrow up to $240,000 under this guideline), and the monthly payment on the mortgage should be no more than 1/3rd of your take home pay (after taxes).. once you start pushing up towards 40% is when it starts becoming tough to make the payments and still cover all your other obligations. **so you know, the total price would depend on what loan to value ratio you were aiming for, but assuming a typical residential mortgage loan to value ratio at say 85% of the purchase price and that 3x ratio of mortgage amount of household income, you would end up at a limit of purchasing a property worth roughly 3.5x your annual income. Starsfan has issued a correction as of 22:07 on Aug 3, 2023 |
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celadon posted:thats really interesting i always just assumed the fighter pilot guys werent ever the same as the training guys but thats pretty unjustified. i wonder the degree to which you can generalize it in terms of it being a cautionary tail of basically forcing your specialized individuals to become more and more specialized instead of using them to keep training and development going. Based on grinding War Thunder until I could reasonably survive a single round, most of a pilot's skillset is a bunch of weird tricks and habits that maybe only work on a single aircraft type that you're familiar with.
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Slavvy posted:My son is on the authoritarian spectrum, he has several authoritarian traits you should get him screened for ADD (authoritarian despot disorder)
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Nothus posted:lol they're setting the table to get rid of him Always were, just a matter of when.
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gradenko_2000 posted:the Tydings-McDuffie Act, which established a 10-year runway for the Philippines to become independent of the United States, specifically denied American citizenship from Filipinos, and set immigration quotas so Filipinos could no longer freely travel to the US and have children there (who would otherwise be American citizens by virtue of jus soli) how were your colonial overlords worse than ours lol.
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Slavvy posted:My son is on the authoritarian spectrum, he has several authoritarian traits Does your son have a clinical diagnosis of authism, or are you self diagnosing authism?
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gradenko_2000 posted:how does that work? if you have a barrel of "Iranian" oil, and then you add like, a drop of "Malaysian" oil, suddenly it's all Malaysian oil? variety of oil gets taken to a place, blended and sent to refineries. You buy the blend kind of like tea.
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Starsfan posted:but I always was told By who, and what are their thoughts behind it? I've heard several figures like this, and I'm kind of curious how they come up with them. Three years doesn't sound like a lot for something as "substantial" as a flat/house, but that might be big city brain speaking.
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Texas tea.
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I feel like being a good combat pilot would largely require exceptional situational/spatial awareness. Like the ability to see a plane and reasonably infer where it will be relative to your own plane when you're not directly looking at it. There's probably a limit to how much you can train that; I can't even do it with the massive benefit of 3rd person flying in video games, and I doubt it's something I could train up - my mind just doesn't work that way and is terrible at spatial perception.
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celadon posted:what is the original source of this, was it an egyptian pharoah who had carvings of victories against an enemy that got closer and closer to home? i remember hearing about it but not being able to google it again Not the original, but likely the inspiration for many current uses is "It Can't Happen Here" where one of the heroes notices that each glorious victory over Mexico that the fascist radio reports is further north than the last.
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The Blue Max is so much cooler than the Iron Cross
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