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Pope Corky the IX posted:Why do guys in the army, or like spies, use that 0 thing when they tell time? that will be made abundantly clear to you
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AJ is such a failson, that not even a military commander manages to keep a straight face, it’s great
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FlamingLiberal posted:There’s a lot of weird poo poo in the last season. The coma stuff just feels extremely indulgent and kind of fits into some of the pet theories I’ve heard that the showrunner was just loving with the audience at times. The way the Melfi stuff just ends in a wet fart is also frustrating. 
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ulvir posted:that will be made abundantly clear to you I love that response so much, AJ was gonna be in for a pretty shocking wake-up call if they'd actually sent him there.
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Jerusalem posted:I love that response so much, AJ was gonna be in for a pretty shocking wake-up call if they'd actually sent him there. Let us not forget that about six years later in the show timeline, he announces out of the blue that he wants to join the army, become a helicopter pilot, and then get out and become a private pilot for Trump or somebody. Never change, AJ! (and he never did)
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“So what, the Don is gonna give you time off so you can go to Iraq?”
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I do wish we could check in on him, I want to see how he's doing under Little Carmine's tutelage. Someone itt pointed out that LC is actually a perfect role model for AJ and i've never been able to stop thinking about it
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banned from Starbucks posted:Yeah I'm not sure what else you would expect from the Melfi arc... I've said it before in this thread, but I would've liked it to have been a runner across the back half of Season 6 rather than "Melfi reads one study and decides she has to cut Tony loose, all in the course of a single episode's B-story." Her finally wising up and realizing she has to extricate herself from Tony's orbit was inevitable, but as executed it's kind of a slight against her character. Melfi having the realization sooner, then spending a few episodes dealing with her internal conflict over whether she thought she could actually help Tony or wondering if she'd been aiding and abetting a known criminal for the ongoing thrill of having a window into his world would've given Bracco some weighty material in the home stretch, and could've been a smart outlet for the series to comment on itself and its audience.
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He’s undoubtably making fat stacks from the multiple pictures under their subspecies Probably happily married, too.
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Melfi absolutely realized she wasn't helping sooner, she just didn't want to quit with the joyride of having a don as a client. She's the same as Carmela, they've been doing nothing but lying to themselves for years about what Tony is and does, she just takes the evidence being rubbed into her face and decides to sever rather than further denial like Carm does when her own reckoning comes.
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GolfHole posted:Melfi shot Tony Toodle-oo! *bang*
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Pirate Radar posted:Toodle-oo! *bang* Toodle loving oo?
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I think Season 6 is brilliant but it does have an issue with packing certain storylines into siloed off episodes - Melfi as mentioned, but also Tony's gambling plotline, and there are a few others. Although, on rewatch I found the Finnerty plotline has aged way better than when I watched it the first time. On my initial watch I found myself impatient with finding out whats going on with Tony in the "real world", but on a rewatch I found the Finnerty dream plot utterly captivating.
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It's weird that the gambling thing keeps being mentioned as "coming out of nowhere" because Tony is shown to stop giving a poo poo about a lot of stuff first because of the separation and then getting shot. Right before Little Carmine sits down to lunch with him in "Stage 5" Tony's making a bunch of personal bets on the phone.
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The Finnerty and Dream episodes are what really sets Sopranos apart in the Prestige TV space. It is the only show willing to really go off the deep end into exploring the psychology of the character in surrealistic and visual terms.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:It's weird that the gambling thing keeps being mentioned as "coming out of nowhere" because Tony is shown to stop giving a poo poo about a lot of stuff first because of the separation and then getting shot. Right before Little Carmine sits down to lunch with him in "Stage 5" Tony's making a bunch of personal bets on the phone.
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It also shows just how much worse he's getting, and how much more Carmela is willing to put up with. He also continues gambling so nothing that happened in the episode actually got through to him.
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I was amused watching the first two-parter of Star Trek Enterprise Season 4 that they stunt-casted Steve Schirripa as a mobster fighting Nazis in a time-altered 1944
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It amused me to no end after I listened to Schirripa and Imperioli's podcast that Steve actually comes across as much more of a meatball type than even his character in the Sopranos. If anything, he had to tone himself down to be the more soft-spoken, warmhearted Bobby.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:It's weird that the gambling thing keeps being mentioned as "coming out of nowhere" because Tony is shown to stop giving a poo poo about a lot of stuff first because of the separation and then getting shot. Right before Little Carmine sits down to lunch with him in "Stage 5" Tony's making a bunch of personal bets on the phone. Pope Corky the IX posted:It also shows just how much worse he's getting, and how much more Carmela is willing to put up with. He also continues gambling so nothing that happened in the episode actually got through to him. The problem with it is we never see it escalate and the idea of it becoming This Huge Problem isn't shown or really earned. Prior to Tony's Big Gambling Addiction arc, he's just shown doing what mobsters do and betting on stuff. They all do at one point or another but none of them spiral. Same with his long lost, deeply loved cousin that's at the root of many of his psychological problems (Special Guest Star: Steve Buscemi) that we're forced to care about because the show says so but not for any reason we've seen or known about. We GET Tony's relationship with Chris, his struggles with his son, the issues with his marriage, his Janice problem, his mother (and father) issues and the escalating tension between NJ and NY because we get to WATCH them happen. His stress, his anxiety and his depression are all right there. People's problems with the things we mentioned are because they're mostly just dropped on us and we're told we're supposed to care. It'd be like if all of a sudden in season 5, Chris has this horrible heroin problem that's maybe been given to us in one scene 2 minute scene from S2. Or even not at all, for that matter.
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Yeah I agree with that; on my next rewatch I’m gonna try to pay more attention to Tony’s gambling, maybe it’s there the whole time and I just missed it on my end because there’s so much else to pay attention to
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Mike N Eich posted:It amused me to no end after I listened to Schirripa and Imperioli's podcast that Steve actually comes across as much more of a meatball type than even his character in the Sopranos. If anything, he had to tone himself down to be the more soft-spoken, warmhearted Bobby. Steve is an absolute oaf. A redditor posted this a while back, and I saved it because I thought it was as perfect of a summary of that podcast as any: quote:M: A great moment in the show here that really cements the decaying relationship between Chris and Tony. Chris now has this big house, the kid, the wife - some form of “regularness”. He’s maturing, though who is to say how long that’ll last. He looks over at Tony who is talking to Bobby.
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Michael Imperioli is back for the new season of This Fool on Hulu. I’m glad they kept him around, I thought for sure he was gone after the first season. That show is hilarious by the way.
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I can't remember who mentioned it in this thread, but I really loved the idea mentioned that Tony's father is shown firmly telling him never to become a degenerate gambler like the poor sap he saw him dealing with that day (who went on to be a multi-millionaire!), and Tony's increased gambling in the later seasons kind of lines up with the illusion of his father as a great man being chipped away, and Tony having less guilt/doubt about going against what he told him.
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I’m don’t know if it was me because I have posted about that before but I think others have as well.
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If it was you, thanks for the great and intriguing idea! It was somebody else... thanks to them for the great and intriguing idea!
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Jerusalem posted:I can't remember who mentioned it in this thread, but I really loved the idea mentioned that Tony's father is shown firmly telling him never to become a degenerate gambler like the poor sap he saw him dealing with that day (who went on to be a multi-millionaire!), and Tony's increased gambling in the later seasons kind of lines up with the illusion of his father as a great man being chipped away, and Tony having less guilt/doubt about going against what he told him. Which probably starts(?) or gets rolling really good when he meets his dad's goomah.
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The final scene of that episode where he's with all his friends and he knowingly continues the bullshit fantasy version of his father's reflected glory in his choice of goomah, after coming face to face with the sad and pathetic reality was really quite something.
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I came to consider one thing that seems to be a fairly common misconception, namely "Meadow just becomes a mob lawyer", when I think the text actually just says she becomes a regular lawyer, and that led me to think that there's one thing Tony is actually successful at, in the end. It's fairly clear in the show that one thing he doesn't really want to pass on to his children is the life in the mob, and in the end, AJ the failson who was never even seriously considered to be taken into the mob fold, ends up fairly well in a production company run by someone who's effectively a retired mobster gone semi-legit. Patsy Parisi's kid who Meadow ends up dating is in a similar position, having become a lawyer. It plays nicely into the thing that Tony says in the pilot, "I came in at the end of things", the mob is a dead end and dying out, there's precious few young people coming in and most of the young associates we meet end up with bad ends, like Matthew Bevilaqua and Christopher. The final image of the family is old-rear end made guy Paulie sunning himself outside Satriale's, the last man standing from the original crew.
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Jerusalem posted:The final scene of that episode where he's with all his friends and he knowingly continues the bullshit fantasy version of his father's reflected glory in his choice of goomah, after coming face to face with the sad and pathetic reality was really quite something. 
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She’s also completely uninterested in his life or anything negative going on like aunt and uncle dying so it destroys the idea that Johnny Boy went to her for emotional support and someone to talk to because he couldn’t get that from Livia.
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Kemper Boyd posted:I came to consider one thing that seems to be a fairly common misconception, namely "Meadow just becomes a mob lawyer", when I think the text actually just says she becomes a regular lawyer, and that led me to think that there's one thing Tony is actually successful at, in the end. I wonder about that yeah. We don't really get to see what kind of lawyer she becomes, but iirc her attitude toward the mafia by the end is basically "what the gently caress did you just say about my family?" and it's not hard to imagine a world where she rationalizes herself into becoming something terrible. But I also kind of forget all the details of how her arc ends
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Meadow 100% becomes a politician. Like a lovely centrist Democrat.
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Jerusalem posted:I can't remember who mentioned it in this thread, but I really loved the idea mentioned that Tony's father is shown firmly telling him never to become a degenerate gambler like the poor sap he saw him dealing with that day (who went on to be a multi-millionaire!), and Tony's increased gambling in the later seasons kind of lines up with the illusion of his father as a great man being chipped away, and Tony having less guilt/doubt about going against what he told him. Pretty sure his dad referred to Satriale who's finger he cut off, not the other guy.
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Matt Zerella posted:Meadow 100% becomes a politician. Like a lovely centrist Democrat. Yeah, I could see her using her law degree to become a local politician like Zellman. And Zellman also started out with big progressive dreams.
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Matt Zerella posted:Meadow 100% becomes a politician. Like a lovely centrist Democrat. A lovely Dem who occasionally rails against people talking about The Mob
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FlamingLiberal posted:One hundred percent When they say John Gotti, you say Rudolph Giuliani i wonder if any line in the show has aged worse than that one. it's a tie between that and "the US army hardly even goes to war anymore" for me
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