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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Siegkrow posted:

Did you say Bruno Buccellati?
Giorno, this looks like a [Crisis]. See what the [Turtle] has to say...

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Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
DC solicits for October are up.
Not too crazy on the Batman/Catwoman crossover event happening (generally not a fan of crossovers as I usually just buy one or two of the crossover titles and don't want to add more but my reading list is so short lately that I might just pick it up if it's good). Looks like a bunch of JSA characters are getting one shots and there are some trades I will pick up. Still no Nightwing Vol 2 tpb but that will probably only come out in a year or so anyway.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
I wonder if the JSA issues are more filler since that book keeps getting delayed.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Madkal posted:

DC solicits for October are up.
Not too crazy on the Batman/Catwoman crossover event happening (generally not a fan of crossovers as I usually just buy one or two of the crossover titles and don't want to add more but my reading list is so short lately that I might just pick it up if it's good). Looks like a bunch of JSA characters are getting one shots and there are some trades I will pick up. Still no Nightwing Vol 2 tpb but that will probably only come out in a year or so anyway.

Amazons Attack Again?

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

Dawgstar posted:

Amazons Attack Again?

The wording of it makes it sound like they are hoping people just memory holed that terrible storyline from ten years ago

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Madkal posted:

The wording of it makes it sound like they are hoping people just memory holed that terrible storyline from ten years ago

I feel like both DC and Marvel reuse event/storyline names a lot, I guess because they're well known, even if only because they're infamous. Like DC's not as bad about it, usually doing slight tweaks or twists on well-known event/storyline names (example: every drat capital-C Crisis). Marvel's recently straight up reusing names (See also: Secret Wars 2015, Infinity Wars 2018 yes I know there's an s this time it's totally different, Heroes Reborn 2021).

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

Madkal posted:

The wording of it makes it sound like they are hoping people just memory holed that terrible storyline from ten years ago

"ten years ago" is underselling it

in a year or so Amazons Attack can legally get its learner permit in most of the United States

radlum
May 13, 2013
Which Green Arrow run focuses more on Oliver’s politics?

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

radlum posted:

Which Green Arrow run focuses more on Oliver’s politics?

Hard Traveling Heroes is the first one that springs to mind which is Green Lantern/Green Arrow 1-7, I think.

Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting



Since we're talking politics, what's the deal with Flash? I keep hearing Wally is a pubbie but uh-
Is that some leftover from the 90s or something?

Chinston Wurchill
Jun 27, 2010

It's not that kind of test.
Huh, I didn't know Jon Kent was a limited series. I guess he'll be back in the Beast World event in November when a giant evil starfish (no not that one) tries to take over the world. I'd have concerns about this but it's still written by Tom Taylor so I'm sure it will be at least fine.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Siegkrow posted:

Since we're talking politics, what's the deal with Flash? I keep hearing Wally is a pubbie but uh-
Is that some leftover from the 90s or something?

Yes Wally is a pubbie. I don't think fictional characters ever played video games with goons.

Joe Fisto
Dec 6, 2002

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

Chinston Wurchill posted:

Huh, I didn't know Jon Kent was a limited series. I guess he'll be back in the Beast World event in November when a giant evil starfish (no not that one) tries to take over the world. I'd have concerns about this but it's still written by Tom Taylor so I'm sure it will be at least fine.

Aren't all series limited if you really think about it?

Tom Taylor is my favorite DC writer by a mile

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Did Ollie ever become mayor in the comics like he did in the show?

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

Air Skwirl posted:

Did Ollie ever become mayor in the comics like he did in the show?

I think he did in One Year Later following 52 or maybe it was in Brightest Day following the Darkest Night Green Lantern event.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

Siegkrow posted:

Since we're talking politics, what's the deal with Flash? I keep hearing Wally is a pubbie but uh-
Is that some leftover from the 90s or something?

Wally being a small town Republican was a source of tension in the New Teen Titans, where he would clash with the others.

Nowadays he has the Generic Liberal Good Politics that most modern superheroes have

Two Tone Shoes
Jan 2, 2009

All that's missing is the ring.

Siegkrow posted:

Since we're talking politics, what's the deal with Flash? I keep hearing Wally is a pubbie but uh-
Is that some leftover from the 90s or something?

No, this is a stupid meme that's been spread from Wolfman's NTT. Wolfman hated Wally before he ever wrote him so he turned him into "Midwestern Conservative" to make him antagonistic with the rest of the team.

Mark Waid has an entire story arc about Wally West learning from Pied Piper and standing staunchly against a populist conservative politician. In a superheroic shenanigans way him and Linda actually get the guy outed for corruption (technically his running mate, who was possessed by the Top, but that's comics for you).

For reference, Pied Piper was an eat the rich radical socialist back in the 80s when he first became a supporting character for Wally.

Hell Wally literally saved Castro and the Cuban government during Invasion and Castro later sent his mom a wedding gift in thanks. He was literally buddies with Castro.

By actions actually done Wally's one of the least conservative characters around, and isn't a raging hypocrite to do so like Ollie. Though Geoff Johns did do a little semi conservative retcon during Identity Crisis where he made both Barry and Wally pro-death penalty, I suppose. Which obviously flies in the face of decades of storytelling where one of Wally's taglines was literally "Nobody Dies" or the fact that accidentally killing Thawne broke Barry on a severe emotional level despite him being a monster. But that's Geoff Johns for you.

Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Aug 2, 2023

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Now let's talk about how Wally treated his friend Chunk. :colbert:

Two Tone Shoes
Jan 2, 2009

All that's missing is the ring.
Baron run is pretty lovely yeah.

I think the worst thing after that was he felt uncomfortable bringing Chunk to a party with a bunch of supervillains. Which he ended up being right about.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Ollie generally does not strike me as too much of a hypocrite?

Parallax
Jan 14, 2006

Two Tone Shoes posted:

Baron run is pretty lovely yeah.

I think the worst thing after that was he felt uncomfortable bringing Chunk to a party with a bunch of supervillains. Which he ended up being right about.

i like Baron's run a lot, it's very much Flash being a dude in his early 20s who's kind of a poo poo because, well, he's a dude in his early 20s. also him being a dick to Chunk and the super villain party is from a Messner-Loebs issue

Two Tone Shoes
Jan 2, 2009

All that's missing is the ring.
The super villain party issue rules. I'm glad WML's run is finally getting a collection soon. It's kind of middling for a lot of its arcs but it's got some amazing standalone issues.

MonsterEnvy posted:

Ollie generally does not strike me as too much of a hypocrite?

Classic non-hypocrite billionaire socialist.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

MonsterEnvy posted:

Ollie generally does not strike me as too much of a hypocrite?

Ollie’s a gigantic hypocrite in most parts of his life. He’s deeply in love with Black Canary, but can’t stop cheating on her. He advocates a more compassionate approach to crime, but kicked out his sidekick when he got addicted to heroin. He’s a vocal socialist, but he’s a billionaire who commits his fortune to dressing up as Robin Hood and shooting criminals with expensive trick arrows.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

thetoughestbean posted:

Ollie’s a gigantic hypocrite in most parts of his life. He’s deeply in love with Black Canary, but can’t stop cheating on her. He advocates a more compassionate approach to crime, but kicked out his sidekick when he got addicted to heroin. He’s a vocal socialist, but he’s a billionaire who commits his fortune to dressing up as Robin Hood and shooting criminals with expensive trick arrows.

I'm sure that much like Batman he probably has a lot of charities he either has donated to or runs conveniently off-panel. But ultimately providing low-income housing or feeding the poor is less interesting than shooting Count Vertigo with a boxing glove.

Agreed on the Roy thing though, a pretty hosed up thing no matter how much he's apologized over the years.

Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting



Tired old joke:
You mean the kid who chose the pseudonym "Speedy" is a drug addict? No way!

Parallax
Jan 14, 2006

related: i like the characterization in waid's first issue of teen titans where yeah maybe batman is kind of a gruff jerk mentor but he's actually around unlike ollie

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Ollie literally gave up his wealth several times from memory.

Though now I am just thinking of this panel from years back.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


Two Tone Shoes posted:

The super villain party issue rules. I'm glad WML's run is finally getting a collection soon. It's kind of middling for a lot of its arcs but it's got some amazing standalone issues.



My friend told me earlier today that he's apparently homeless again. Hoping the local comic community can help him out.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Siegkrow posted:

Tired old joke:
You mean the kid who chose the pseudonym "Speedy" is a drug addict? No way!

Except the reason Ollie kicked him out wasn't because he was addicted to heroin. It's because he wasn't addicted to meth which is what one would expect from such a moniker.

Cassa
Jan 29, 2009
Gotta protect that brand identity.

Two Tone Shoes
Jan 2, 2009

All that's missing is the ring.

Open Marriage Night posted:

My friend told me earlier today that he's apparently homeless again. Hoping the local comic community can help him out.

WML's been on hard times for a few years now. I donated to his first go fund me when they had been homeless to get a place for him and his wife and that worked, but then medical issues popped up for his wife and it was either she dies or they couldn't keep paying for their new place. Feel really bad for him. He was a really good writer in his day but turns out that's not always enough to live off of in old age if you don't keep writing.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin
So’s what’s people’s thoughts on the Jon Kent Injustice miniseries? The people I follow on Twitter hate it but they’re vocal Taylor haters, I figured it would be worth asking a group that I think is a bit more representative of the average DC fanbase would be helpful

Chinston Wurchill
Jun 27, 2010

It's not that kind of test.

thetoughestbean posted:

So’s what’s people’s thoughts on the Jon Kent Injustice miniseries? The people I follow on Twitter hate it but they’re vocal Taylor haters, I figured it would be worth asking a group that I think is a bit more representative of the average DC fanbase would be helpful

I liked it! Not quite as zany as the previous series but a fun opportunity for Taylor to play around with his Injustice universe.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

thetoughestbean posted:

So’s what’s people’s thoughts on the Jon Kent Injustice miniseries? The people I follow on Twitter hate it but they’re vocal Taylor haters, I figured it would be worth asking a group that I think is a bit more representative of the average DC fanbase would be helpful

I liked it at the start but ultimately felt it kinda limped across the finish line. I wouldn't call it bad but it's far from Taylor's best. I'm curious to know if the original plan was for it to be this short or if it just got kinda canned. Because originally it seemed like it was gonna be this multiverse chase where they're going after Ultraman but then they get to Injustice world and then it's just immediately over and it's "nah here's just Jon interacting with all the hosed up Injustice superheroes."

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

thetoughestbean posted:

So’s what’s people’s thoughts on the Jon Kent Injustice miniseries? The people I follow on Twitter hate it but they’re vocal Taylor haters, I figured it would be worth asking a group that I think is a bit more representative of the average DC fanbase would be helpful

Why would they hate Taylor?

Cael
Feb 2, 2004

I get this funky high on the yellow sun.

Gaz-L posted:

Why would they hate Taylor?

I’d expect it’s from writing Jon as bi and also his Suicide Squad series where he chose to focus on a cool new cast of minorities / LGBTQ members vs the legacy members.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Cael posted:

I’d expect it’s from writing Jon as bi and also his Suicide Squad series where he chose to focus on a cool new cast of minorities / LGBTQ members vs the legacy members.

How can you have legacy members in the Suicide Squad? I thought the whole thing was that they died.

Two Tone Shoes
Jan 2, 2009

All that's missing is the ring.

Gaz-L posted:

Why would they hate Taylor?

The topic du jour is his writing of Jon as someone who looks at a fascist murdering dictator and tries to talk it out and tell him to do better instead of fighting this evil version of Superman like he did the other evil version of Superman. It's the most banal, pathetic, cowardly centrist horseshit kind of writing and makes Jon come off as the blandest, least actionable Superman ever.

Cael posted:

I’d expect it’s from writing Jon as bi and also his Suicide Squad series where he chose to focus on a cool new cast of minorities / LGBTQ members vs the legacy members.

No one gives a poo poo about Jon being Bi in any of the Tom Taylor slander. The most I get from it is everyone thinks Gossamer is boring which is true.

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Two Tone Shoes posted:

No one gives a poo poo about Jon being Bi in any of the Tom Taylor slander. The most I get from it is everyone thinks Gossamer is boring which is true.

The biggest problem with the run is Taylor never bothers to show and reason why we should care in the least about the romance, all in service of spending more time dealing with Jay's back story.

The biggest sin the book commits is existing at the same time as Nightwing by the same writer, which being a transcendent modern comic experience is a hard thing to overcome. Nightwing makes almost all DC's output look bad,but being the same writer it feels worse.

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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Lord_Hambrose posted:

The biggest problem with the run is Taylor never bothers to show and reason why we should care in the least about the romance, all in service of spending more time dealing with Jay's back story.

The biggest sin the book commits is existing at the same time as Nightwing by the same writer, which being a transcendent modern comic experience is a hard thing to overcome. Nightwing makes almost all DC's output look bad,but being the same writer it feels worse.

Yeah, Jay is just... kinda boring. There, I guess. I usually forget he's from Gamorra Island unless it's mentioned recently and maybe one day WildStorm stuff in the DCU won't feel slightly jarring but that day is not today. And Nightwing shows Tom absolutely knows how to write fun relationship stuff.

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