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RBA-Wintrow posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ropucha-class_landing_ship Interesting. Based on pre-war photos of the ship, it looks like they couldn't have fired on the drone even if they knew it was there.  
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bulletsponge13 posted:Nah, this is a trick from the old playbook. The earliest firefight simulator I know of is WW1, but the US used it to great effect in Vietnam particularly. During Operation Overlord, the Allies dropped dummies that had poppers on them to confuse the Germans. No idea how effective it was.
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psydude posted:During Operation Overlord, the Allies dropped dummies that had poppers on them to confuse the Germans. No idea how effective it was. They probably just got high
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psydude posted:During Operation Overlord, the Allies dropped dummies that had poppers on them to confuse the Germans. No idea how effective it was. The way I've heard it, the dummies were supposedly more effective because the drops were such a poo poo show. Real paratroopers were falling all over the countryside and those real paratroopers were the cause of real, sporadic gunfire all over the place, and that made the dummies seem perfectly believable in the dark It makes sense to me, but like so much D Day stuff, it feels like there's a dozen layers of myth surrounding the mundane answer, so all I know for certain is that they were dropped and did confuse some German infantry at some point between falling from the plane and the sun rising
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The Door Frame posted:The way I've heard it, the dummies were supposedly more effective because the drops were such a poo poo show. Real paratroopers were falling all over the countryside and those real paratroopers were the cause of real, sporadic gunfire all over the place, and that made the dummies seem perfectly believable in the dark It was in the movie The Longest Day with John Wayne so it has to be real. 
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The Door Frame posted:The way I've heard it, the dummies were supposedly more effective because the drops were such a poo poo show. Real paratroopers were falling all over the countryside and those real paratroopers were the cause of real, sporadic gunfire all over the place, and that made the dummies seem perfectly believable in the dark Don't forget the dummies were dropped not in Normandy, but in Calais as part of the Fortitude ruse, so two hundred miles from the landing zones and beaches.
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Cimber posted:Don't forget the dummies were dropped not in Normandy, but in Calais as part of the Fortitude ruse, so two hundred miles from the landing zones and beaches. I know they did stuff with the fake sea landings, but I thought the last part of Titanic was to draw troops away from real 101st operations Just Another Lurker posted:It was in the movie The Longest Day with John Wayne so it has to be real. For all I know, that could be where I heard it, I loving loved John Wayne movies as a kid
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There’s a full documentary about the ghost army https://youtu.be/6g1H3GJqBkc
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I was reading why the counteroffensive is going slowly compared to other ones, and one of the issues was the fact that the defensive lines are so heavily mined in some spots it is 4 mines per square meter. I wonder if the ol' creeping barage concept might be useful once again? Have troops move foreward behind the shell fire which detonates the mines for them?
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Just Another Lurker posted:It was in the movie The Longest Day with John Wayne so it has to be real. Man, of all the scenes, the one where the Mauser sounds like the paratrooper crickets felt so dumb and out of place. Cimber posted:I was reading why the counteroffensive is going slowly compared to other ones, and one of the issues was the fact that the defensive lines are so heavily mined in some spots it is 4 mines per square meter. Apparently, the minefields are also up to like 1km+ deep in places.
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Apparently the Ukrainians getting trained on the Leopard 2 in Germany asked the trainers how to deal with minefields and the response was to "just go around" and they didn't understand why that wasn't an option.
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McGavin posted:Apparently the Ukrainians getting trained on the Leopard 2 in Germany asked the trainers how to deal with minefields and the response was to "just go around" and they didn't understand why that wasn't an option. Calling Hobart and his funnies!
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Snowy posted:There’s a full documentary about the ghost army WW2 in Real Time did an hour-by-hour special on D-Day, midnight to midnight. It's hourly videos on their other channel, here's the big chunk on the airborne landings, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0AKc7xxQQk
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McGavin posted:Apparently the Ukrainians getting trained on the Leopard 2 in Germany asked the trainers how to deal with minefields and the response was to "just go around" and they didn't understand why that wasn't an option. I'm reminded of one meme very early on imaging a cadre of battle hardened Ukrainian soldiers training with the US to get Abrams or something, each one having more battlefield experience than the trainers combined, asking questions stemming from hard fought experience about situations the trainers never would have imagined. Who knew memes could be prescient.
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It's also bollocks, mine clearing and recovery vehicles were some big ticket items Ukraine received, because obviously Ukraine needs those, because you don't leave gaps in mine fields unless you want someone to drive into them. I don't think anyone expected mine fields be this deep, though.
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Antigravitas posted:It's also bollocks, mine clearing and recovery vehicles were some big ticket items Ukraine received, because obviously Ukraine needs those, because you don't leave gaps in mine fields unless you want someone to drive into them. Salting the earth for years to come unfortunately :/
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Am I overestimating the minefield density, or are they also going to sort of limit Russia's potential avenues for a theoretical counteroffensive?
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Dandywalken posted:Am I overestimating the minefield density, or are they also going to sort of limit Russia's potential avenues for a theoretical counteroffensive? Russia understands that this is as far as they are gonna get and want to keep what they have now.
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Meshka posted:Russia understands that this is as far as they are gonna get and want to keep what they have now. If by some miracle Russia regains the strength and competence to try to take territory, they still have the options of an amphibious landing near Odessa or new invasions from the North or Belarus. They don't have to attack across No Man's Land. I'm not suggesting that Russia can actually do this, just that they have attack directions available to them that Ukraine can't employ, unless they take leave of their senses and decide to conduct a proper invasion of Russia.
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Meshka posted:Russia understands that this is as far as they are gonna get and want to keep what they have now. More likely they want to make the Ukrainians bleed themselves dry battering themselves up against the fields until they cry uncle and agree to concede land.
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A.o.D. posted:If by some miracle Russia regains the strength and competence to try to take territory, they still have the options of an amphibious landing near Odessa or new invasions from the North or Belarus. They don't have to attack across No Man's Land. Ukraine should simply take Belarus and trade it back for their occupied territories. I'm a strategic genius.
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PurpleXVI posted:Ukraine should simply take Belarus and trade it back for their occupied territories. I'm a strategic genius. Someone get this person a think tank ASAP!
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PurpleXVI posted:Ukraine should simply take Belarus and trade it back for their occupied territories. I'm a strategic genius. Post that on
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That's why Wagner is in Belarus! Russia is still winning this game of 5D Candyland
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The Door Frame posted:That's why Wagner is in Belarus! Russia is still winning this game of 5D Candyland
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Nessus posted:If Belarus is ruled by a renegade PMC, surely Russia cannot complain if they get blown up with HIMARS. Whats the idiots version of Outer Heaven?
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PurpleXVI posted:Ukraine should simply take Belarus and trade it back for their occupied territories. I'm a strategic genius. This but unironically so long as they take the nukes that Russia placed there.
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https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1687577041888022528quote:Early reports of heavy fire now underway on a portion of the Kerch Strait bridge. Ohhhh baby. Please bring that sucker down, or at least completely ruin it for travel.
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That Works posted:They probably just got high I didn't want to let this go unnoticed before the bridge blows up. Bridge CHAT blows up. Either way, I appreciated this.
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The only good bridge is a dead bridge!
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I'm from Buenos Aires and I say blow them all up!
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A.o.D. posted:I'm from Buenos Aires and I say blow them all up! get this anti-nato sentiment out of here
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LRADIKAL posted:The only good bridge is a dead bridge! Refarted fuhr floodlust
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Flyinglemur posted:I didn't want to let this go unnoticed before the bridge blows up. Bridge CHAT blows up. Either way, I appreciated this. 
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Flyinglemur posted:I didn't want to let this go unnoticed before the bridge blows up. Bridge CHAT blows up. Either way, I appreciated this. 
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https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1687601666877521920quote:A chemical/oil tanker has reportedly been hit near the Kerch Strait Bridge by a Ukrainian drone, per a pro-Russian Telegram group. The Russian owned/operated vessel in question is SIG (IMO: 9735335), which has been under U.S. sanctions since 2019 for jet fuel deliveries to Syria. So perhaps not the bridge, but a fuel tanker.
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This is kind of awesome though. "You want to block the Kerch Strait and stop Ukrainian shipping into the Sea of Azov and Black Sea? Fine. We'll just terror bomb all your shipping in the area."
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That Works posted:They probably just got high of course they were high, the point of parachuting is to jump from a high place
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AlternateNu posted:This is kind of awesome though. I don't think there's anything awesome at all about a tanker getting holed to be honest. If that thing was laden it's another catastrophe for the region.
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