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Shredder
Sep 14, 2000

The loot filter thing is funny, I'm so low on mats I've been picking up every drat thing to scrap

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Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


I don’t need a filter I need the little loot dismantler from the last D3 season

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

I don’t need a filter I need the little loot dismantler from the last D3 season

This. Just straight trash vaporizer.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

GlassEye-Boy posted:

Trying to figure out how to do S1, is it something where you want to just stick with one character and go as far as possible or is it viable to try multiple characters?

Also any recommendations for a necro build? With S1 and some of the recent batches whats the current meta?

I have been playing bone spear and it has been painless as hell pretty much the entire time. I am almost 75 now and about at the point where I need to make some friends to chain NMD with.

pork never goes bad
May 16, 2008

GlassEye-Boy posted:

Trying to figure out how to do S1, is it something where you want to just stick with one character and go as far as possible or is it viable to try multiple characters?

Also any recommendations for a necro build? With S1 and some of the recent batches whats the current meta?

I love my necro this season. There's a heart which automatically casts corpse skills. It's incredibly powerful for leveling and it remains fun and viable into wt4. You can level anything but I'd make sure it can use either corpse tendrils and corpse explosion or skeletons well. Note that the heart only resummons skeletons but doesn't cast the skeleton priest thing. I leveled blood surge with minions and corpse tendrils through about level 30, then blood surge sacrificing minions and using corpse explosion darkness pools to about 55 and have been infinimist since. Currently level 72 in garbage gear with the right aspects and can clear level 85 nm dungeons trivially. I need to make a few higher ones and test how I do. Infinimist is insane, really highly recommend it.


hawowanlawow posted:

the people who complained about the complainers on reddit stopped playing and therefore stopped posting

I remain committed to playing! Less committed though still committed to pointing out how much video game whining reads like the what not to do column in a rewriting disordered thoughts with CBT worksheet.

Doomykins
Jun 28, 2008

Didn't you mean to ask about flowers?
OK looking at my skills for Bleed Barb and some thoughts on things I didn't take too. Discovering effectiveness is fun so if I'm wrong tell me why, I like to check guides once I'm deep in to see if there's hidden math I missed.

Pressure Point(LH chance to Vuln): No need, Grasp and Rend will give you almost 100% uptime themselves. You can innately fish for Vuln with Flay too, but that's "Tomb King teleported after dazing me and I whiffed a grasp" niche use.

Endless Fury: Sure, if you want a different weapon set-up. You'd need a 2H on your Builder! I pass on this since I use the DW Flay to cycle Iron Maelstrom cooldown reduction.

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Imposing Presence(+15% Max Life) + Martial Vigor(+9% DR vs Elites): If I'm going to insist on not shouting I'll need to make up for the missing DR. Innately on +good stats stuff. Imposing Presence might be a one pointer if it does something like "only affects base life", I dunno, I'm not checking the math yet.

Thorns Stuff: 1 each lets you bleed + snare anything that hits you initially when combined with 1 point of hamstring. Leaning heavily into thorns is its own thing, and if you don't need conditional slow damage then you could save 3 points here which I may do today. I don't find slowing enemies to mean much of anything as I'm constantly pulling them to me or rushing them down to grab their ankles and wish bone snap them right in half.

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Swiftness: Movespeed is the best comfort stat and only gets better the more you have!

Quick Impulses: I'm not using it actually but it could be good. I figure my emphasis on tankiness will let me survive a 1-3 second pause anyway. That may change in harder NMDs if I see these heinous CC chains I hear about. I have survived a few minor chains like Big Cannibal Guys or Naga/Basilisk monster stone eyes.

Shout Passives: I ain't shoutin'.

Berserk Passives: They're good if you want Berserk uptime and to run the Berserking key passive or Wrath of the Berserker for your last button, otherwise you don't really need them. Grasp can give you Berserk and it's a nice "make sure Vuln is up AND hit them for +25% more damage during it" buff on vanilla serking.

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Pit Fighter 3/3: +9% damage basically, and protection from ranged nonsense. 3/3
Slaying Strike: +23% damage on the last third of their health. 3/3
No Mercy: I dropped this to 1/3 to shift points, had 3/3 for awhile, may go 0/3 since I've just shed Ground Stomp. It's three specific conditionals(root, snare, stun) and if you don't have them it does nothing for you. Great synergy with Gushing Wounds if you can get it.
Expose Vulnerability: A more reliable Pressure Point buuuut Grasp and Rend is infinite uptime, remember? 0/3

Hamstring: You need 1 point for the thorns conditionals combo to work, but you also need 1 point for:
Cut to the bone: +15% bleeding on your perma-vuln'd grasp + rend targets. 3/3!

Thick Skin: Gives you all the Fortify building of classes that take actual skills for it but for free and passively. 3/3!
Defensive Stance: What's better than Fortify always being up? Making Fortify better, of course. 3/3.
Counteroffensive: What I might be shuffling points into. Free damage for not dying and I've got Rupture + Fury Spending = Healing passives.

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Duelist: Attack speed for DW fans, useless otherwise. 0/3.
Wallop: We're here for the 2H Slash. 0/3.
Brute Force: Would be good if you use the aspect for guaranteed OPs, though competes with things that are active every attack instead of every OP. But you naturally get a ton of Fortify and OPs do happen naturally too! 0/3 for me though.
Concussion: We're here for 2H Slash! 0/3.

Tempered Fury: I'm not interested in Unbridled Rage or pushing max fury so I can bank 3-4 Rends reliably so 1/3 just to get past it.
Furious Impulse: Another contender I think I'm gonna pick up today. It's not hard to swap weapons constantly unless you don't hit all your buttons.
Invigorating Fury: Always be dumping your Fury, always be healing, 3/3 and gets better with that Healing Heart I mentioned. My current is below 59% max HP gains +66% incoming healing, so 14.94(15%) of my max HP coming in every time I rocket 3 Rends into a boss.

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Gushing Wounds: Lets your bleeds crit. I've got 18.3% crit chance and 84.2% crit damage so every so often I slam a Rend or Maelstrom hit in that just deletes the entire elite's health bar. Feels great, and you really feel any good luck string on a boss as their uptime goes to sub 20 seconds. You can also get Casino Crits for an Overpower Crit + Lots of Fort and even bosses lose half their bar or more to that. Also gives bloodsplosions to your overpowers if the target is bleeding. The Crit Damage modifier and Bloodsplosion damage will be buffed soon.

Iron Maelstrom gets a passive for +30% crit chance and +40% crit damage to synergize with GW. My Maelstroms frequently apply an enormous bleed on second hit, loads of bleeds everywhere on all three hits if your universal technique is 2H Sword.

Doomykins fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Aug 4, 2023

Doomykins
Jun 28, 2008

Didn't you mean to ask about flowers?
Mmm yeah, dropping the 3 one point wonders for thorns, thorns bleed and +crit vs slow let me get 6 fury on weapon swap and this completely replaces my loss of Ground Stomp for Fury. Barbs keep on bleeding(them out!)

edit: hoo hoo hoo hoo got my Tier 3 Sigil at last

edit edit: Heeey the Butcher DOES say the line, just irregularly. Great! Good job devs. Just worked him over with no potions needed, gently caress yeah.

Doomykins fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Aug 4, 2023

Cobalt60
Jun 1, 2006

ClydeFrog posted:

If transferring your character gets you banned and they are looking for it, then it's going to be a simple thing for them to find. I assure you no one is "wasting dev hours". Someone will just run a report looking for characters created pre S1 in the S1 environment based on a datestamp or something equally trivial and forward the spreadsheet to the banhammer room.

It seems like a dumb thing to do to avoid some irksome yet rather trivial renown.

Also, there's got to be a team entirely dedicated to finding and banning people that violate ToS. They'll have shiny little targets to hit.



This particular bug feels easy to claim as a "normal whoopsie" It's not like I'm hacking the Gibson with script kiddies on rollerblades here sheesh

Substandard
Oct 16, 2007

3rd street for life
Have any rogues tried the heart that gives your attacks a chance to apply every imbuement? Is it necessary or desirable to put a point into every one to get it to work? Does it work for imbuements that are not on the bar?

I had a couple of them drop and am thinking about trying it out but wasn't sure if I'd have to respec.

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX

pork never goes bad posted:

I remain committed to playing! Less committed though still committed to pointing out how much video game whining reads like the what not to do column in a rewriting disordered thoughts with CBT worksheet.

I really hope CBT stands for cock & ball torture because otherwise oh boy

The Little Kielbasa
Mar 29, 2001

and another thing: im not mad. please dont put in the newspaper that i got mad.
They should've just used the Butcher's audio from D1 or had someone imitate it.

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX

The Little Kielbasa posted:

They should've just used the Butcher's audio from D1 or had someone imitate it.

With a really thick Scottish accent.

Cobalt60
Jun 1, 2006
Opposite question than the above about Rogue builds:

I started with a machine-gun build which was fun but now trying Twisting Blades. Current build uses shadow and ice imbuements, but I don't find imbuements fun at all for some reason. Also, I don't like Inner Sight either, lol.

Is there a good Twisting Blades build that doesn't use Imbuements AND uses Combo Points or is that a stupid / suboptimal question?

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

Cobalt60 posted:

Opposite question than the above about Rogue builds:

I started with a machine-gun build which was fun but now trying Twisting Blades. Current build uses shadow and ice imbuements, but I don't find imbuements fun at all for some reason. Also, I don't like Inner Sight either, lol.

Is there a good Twisting Blades build that doesn't use Imbuements AND uses Combo Points or is that a stupid / suboptimal question?

Combo points doesn't work well with TB. The deathtrap version skips imbuements. You can also use flurry (with condemnation) instead of TB with death trap if you do want to use combo points.

AlphaKeny1
Feb 17, 2006

You wouldn't want combo points for TB since inner sight just lets you spam TB, letting you do far more damage.

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

bamhand posted:

Combo points doesn't work well with TB. The deathtrap version skips imbuements. You can also use flurry (with condemnation) instead of TB with death trap if you do want to use combo points.

You can easily get basic attacks to swing 4-5x/second and combo points definitely work with TB. It turns it into 3 basics, 2 TBs, and a dash (all in less than 1.5 seconds) to kill almost any group.

Death trap is a waste compared to a second imbuement or second defense skill imo

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
The new pen shot bow kicks rear end. It’s so much fun

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I got to 60 and kind of stopped caring about this game. It didn’t get its hooks in me:( I also got really busy at work. Maybe the next season .

Edit

I guess I missed a patch ?

Cobalt60
Jun 1, 2006
I'm level 60 now and finding that I'm not able to non-stop spam TB, even if I chase down the "marked" enemy.

I'll sometimes be mid-huge-group killing and energy runs out and I'm left there just looking goofy in the middle of a big group.

Am I playing TB wrong, or need better items, or just need to level up? I've seen the cool videos and I do feel like I'm playing wrong

Doomykins
Jun 28, 2008

Didn't you mean to ask about flowers?
The patch isn't for a few days. 8/8 I think? But it hasn't hit yet.



boing honk honk awoooooga. lost about 80% overpower damage and a smidgeon of impact damage on Leap to get an almost universal +61% damage and more steroid execute percentage points on this enormous thick stat stick.. and the aspect turbo charges Leap anyway! :black101:

Clearing through +10s and betters now, I'm coming for your twink rear end Elias and I'm an 8 foot tall woman that weighs 400 lbs.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

satanic splash-back posted:

You can easily get basic attacks to swing 4-5x/second and combo points definitely work with TB. It turns it into 3 basics, 2 TBs, and a dash (all in less than 1.5 seconds) to kill almost any group.

Death trap is a waste compared to a second imbuement or second defense skill imo

The Death trap massive AOE + vacuum, damage buffs to yourself, damage reduction to enemies, plus energy bonus is really strong. It was definitely stronger when siphoning strikes wasn't based off lucky hit though.

Also as someone pointed out, you can just get infinite energy off insight, why have to squeeze in basic attacks for combo points? If you're looking to one shot groups in the overworld then just run flurry instead of TB with combo points. If you're looking to NM dungeon stuff then Insight is going to be your sustained damage option.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

euphronius posted:

I got to 60 and kind of stopped caring about this game. It didn’t get its hooks in me:( I also got really busy at work. Maybe the next season .

Edit

I guess I missed a patch ?

just patch notes the patch itself doesn't release until the 8th

not really worth coming back for, unless you're a sorcerer maybe

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


I started a 2nd seasonal character and what the hell renown/waypoints don’t fully carry over from my first seasonal character? What in the world?

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX
Another soul pwnd by Diablo 4

e: I'm hitting 50 on this thorns barb, throwing chains is great and all but I can't deal with this town poo poo and renown grind for the paragons which I desperately need for the thorns to get good again.

Playing this sober reminds me of my first retail job at IKEA.

Vic fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Aug 4, 2023

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
Renown does waypoints don’t (they should tho)

Enigma
Jun 10, 2003
Raetus Deus Est.

Just killed capstone Elias with my lvl. 58 sorc and got two rainments of the infinite (one of which is lvl 711) :cool:

DeadlyHalibut
May 31, 2008

Cobalt60 posted:

I'm level 60 now and finding that I'm not able to non-stop spam TB, even if I chase down the "marked" enemy.

I'll sometimes be mid-huge-group killing and energy runs out and I'm left there just looking goofy in the middle of a big group.

Am I playing TB wrong, or need better items, or just need to level up? I've seen the cool videos and I do feel like I'm playing wrong

Either umbral ring with good roll (+penitent greaves) or barber heart with the passive that gives back energy from shadow damage are the best ways to get high regen. Until that try to find boots and amulet with reduced energy costs and use all the passives and aspects that help with energy management.

TB is very good at speedfarming when you stick to monster levels just a few ahead of yours where you can explode packs with just a few casts, but if you try to push too far ahead it's easy to run out of killing power.

Level 60 is a bit rough spot if you jump to wt4 until you level up more and find some ancestrals

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



Doomykins posted:

Heeey the Butcher DOES say the line, just irregularly. Great! Good job devs. Just worked him over with no potions needed, gently caress yeah.

What line? I've never not heard him shout "FRESH MEAT" if that's what you mean

great big cardboard tube
Sep 3, 2003


I think I'm going to jump on the leveling a sorc to farm hearts with the varshann exploit train tonight.

What's a cool and fun build that people think might be good after buffs?

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Quote-Unquote posted:

What line? I've never not heard him shout "FRESH MEAT" if that's what you mean

He does say that from time to time.

Doomykins
Jun 28, 2008

Didn't you mean to ask about flowers?

Quote-Unquote posted:

What line? I've never not heard him shout "FRESH MEAT" if that's what you mean

I ran into him twice today and he said Fresh Meat but these were also the first times I've heard him say it since release.

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

bamhand posted:

The Death trap massive AOE + vacuum, damage buffs to yourself, damage reduction to enemies, plus energy bonus is really strong. It was definitely stronger when siphoning strikes wasn't based off lucky hit though.

Also as someone pointed out, you can just get infinite energy off insight, why have to squeeze in basic attacks for combo points? If you're looking to one shot groups in the overworld then just run flurry instead of TB with combo points. If you're looking to NM dungeon stuff then Insight is going to be your sustained damage option.

Combo points mean your TB crits even harder and kills in a single crit instead of multiple TBswings. And it means you move faster due to combo point boost, which lets you keep killing without running out of speed boost.

It also lets you play without relying on umbral for energy generation - energy Regen while moving and and form bonuses is enough to have enough to TB every 3 swings, always. Not everyone has good luck with that aspect drop.

Maybe try it instead of relying on some guide you read and repeat on a website?

E: the real benefit is speed + bigger criticals and it may be less important now that crits are smaller, but combo points also make you run fast and running fast is cool

satanic splash-back fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Aug 4, 2023

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

Seriously enjoying bone spear necromancer + auto tendrils heart for it's kill speed but the run speed leaves a lot to be desired

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

satanic splash-back posted:

Seriously enjoying bone spear necromancer + auto tendrils heart for it's kill speed but the run speed leaves a lot to be desired

Gotta go fast.

harrygomm
Oct 19, 2004

can u run n jump?

satanic splash-back posted:

Seriously enjoying bone spear necromancer + auto tendrils heart for it's kill speed but the run speed leaves a lot to be desired

i had a basically perfectly rolled amulet but it was missing run speed. against better judgement i spent like 70M rolling it until it got it. then i did the same thing with my boots but to get a max run speed roll

i sometimes even stick around during cursed shrine events so i can get the shrine run speed boost. i hoot when i see a defaced shrine cap because i just get 25% ms for the rest of the dungeon with it

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

satanic splash-back posted:

Maybe try it instead of relying on some guide you read and repeat on a website?

What is it with this thread and being obsessed with being idiot assholes to each other.

Jaytan
Dec 14, 2003

Childhood enlistment means fewer birthdays to remember

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

I started a 2nd seasonal character and what the hell renown/waypoints don’t fully carry over from my first seasonal character? What in the world?

Yep. If you maxed renown redoing it just provides ~one NMDs worth of gold, but regretting the way points is 😴
This is part of why the system is a slog: the one time rewards are super impactful, but the every time rewards are only marginally better than the typical quests reward, and the progress isn’t shared so get hosed if you want to play an alt or die in hardcore before getting level 5 in a zone.

bamhand posted:

What is it with this thread and being obsessed with being idiot assholes to each other.

No u

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX

bamhand posted:

What is it with this thread and being obsessed with being idiot assholes to each other.

Same reason daily commute makes people really irritable.

almost1337
Jun 14, 2013

The male likpatons turn around the nucleus formed of female boobons and neutral bolsterons

Quote-Unquote posted:

I refuse to be perma-bear because that removes the ability to play pretty princess dress up. Even though it might make me more powerful. This is the hill I die on.

You remain in human form while in towns.

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Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Sorcerer clothing options make me sad after being spoiled by Necro

Mayhaps the DLC shop can help me

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