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FlamingLiberal posted:I don’t know how much it may end up being enforced, but there are apparently SAG guidelines for people who cover media like influencers, and the union in those guidelines says that any people who cover struck shows may be denied future SAG membership Does this mean the "I like turtles" kid can never be in SAG 
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OldSenileGuy posted:Does this mean the "I like turtles" kid can never be in SAG it means youtube personalities should probably form their own union
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WGA statement:quote:We have been on strike for 94 days. SAG-AFTRA joined us 21 days ago. Both our unions are striking to ensure the future of writers and performers in this business that cannot exist without us.
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nine-gear crow posted:I mean a young, suddenly-rich e-famous douchebazooka Beeftweeter posted:good, gently caress mr beast Has he done something other than "be popular" to garner these opinions?
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Looten Plunder posted:Has he done something other than "be popular" to garner these opinions? I think it's safe to assume all influencers are trash that use gamer words until proven otherwise.
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Tree Reformat posted:it means youtube personalities should probably form their own union Unfortunately most of them fully buy into the "Be your own producer/Sigma Grindset" poo poo so it's gonna take a while to convince them they should
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Mr beast is the most popular influencer on YouTube and his best friend is openly trans - who he defends. I learned this th either day
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Looten Plunder posted:Has he done something other than "be popular" to garner these opinions? There was the time he tried to get his followers (who are mostly children) to do work for him for free by telling them to go to stores and clean up the displays for his candy bars.
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Pillowpants posted:Mr beast is the most popular influencer on YouTube and his best friend is openly trans - who he defends. I learned this th either day I learned about both those things a couple months ago when the chuddier youtubers squawked about it EDIT: muscles like this! posted:There was the time he tried to get his followers (who are mostly children) to do work for him for free by telling them to go to stores and clean up the displays for his candy bars. And his Doordash exclusive series of burger joints are a gigantic scam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkIkymh5Ayg
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i think the main thing about people like mrbeast is that everyone's kind of forced to have an opinion on him because of how much the internet insists on recommending his stuff to you
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I've never heard of the guy until this week and I've been on Youtube the whole time, so it hasn't pushed it on everybody.
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Looten Plunder posted:Has he done something other than "be popular" to garner these opinions? he is responsible for the scourge of youtube thumbnail face and should hang for that alone
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He's pretty much like most influencers: he sees himself as a brand, not a person.
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ApeHawk posted:He's pretty much like most influencers: he sees himself as a brand, not a person. That's generally how they become successful, so, it fits
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DarklyDreaming posted:I learned about both those things a couple months ago when the chuddier youtubers squawked about it Hard hitting investigative journalism by true detective colin farrell
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LividLiquid posted:I've never heard of the guy until this week and I've been on Youtube the whole time, so it hasn't pushed it on everybody. Yeah I know of him but nothing outside of “I think kids like him” and “bad hamburger” and I’m fine with that being my breadth of knowledge
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I think there was a story that he is now suing the company that makes those Mr Beast burgers
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The only video of his I watched was him claiming to try to eat the world's largest pizza slice and he didn't even attempt to do that. I don't know what he's like nor does anyone else. All we know is what we're told and there's too much content out there to worry about him specifically. Let the unions sort out if he violated their rules.
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DarklyDreaming posted:And his Doordash exclusive series of burger joints are a gigantic scam: The only review of Mr. Beast burgers that matters: https://youtu.be/uOLcyPfrdac
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teen witch posted:Yeah I know of him but nothing outside of “I think kids like him” and “bad hamburger” and I’m fine with that being my breadth of knowledge I've seen a few of his videos but won't pretend I know much about the guy, but with what he's done with the Clean Seas project, the tree planting project with Rober, the Cataract surgery stuff, the hearing aid stuff and the food bank stuff, he appears to be using his fame for a hell of a lot better things than the majority of celebrities. I also watched some mini-doc on him to see what all the fuss was about, and holy poo poo, does that guy GRIND. Making a success out of YouTube sounds loving miserable. Looten Plunder fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Aug 5, 2023 |
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WGA, AMPTP Meet But No New Negotiations Set Yet TL;DR — Yesterday, 8/4 was the first meeting between WGA and AMPTP reps since May 1. AMPTP offers to come back to the table but still refuses to discuss staffing minimums and success-based residuals for streaming, which are two of the WGA’s biggest issues. WGA reps say they won’t bend on those issues. Reps now going back to regroup with their respective negotiating committees.
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Does that tactic actually work? "We're prepared to give you this and ignore the things you actually want." "Then why did you arrange this meeting? We're gonna say no and possibly laugh while saying it"
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Coming to the table to waste time is very 'Russian peace negotiation 2022'.
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Aces High posted:Does that tactic actually work? "We're prepared to give you this and ignore the things you actually want." "Then why did you arrange this meeting? We're gonna say no and possibly laugh while saying it" It's an attempt to reframe the narrative as being that the kind and understanding studios are willing to negotiate, but those greedy bad writers walked out again!
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https://twitter.com/writergeekrhw/status/1687692281242161152 Just as a reminder.
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Soonmot posted:It's an attempt to reframe the narrative as being that the kind and understanding studios are willing to negotiate, but those greedy bad writers walked out again! If that's the case then I think they have seriously miscalculated on just what the public thinks of them. It's not just the WGA and SAG that's pissed at the studios right now, what with the endless cavalcade of price hikes, pulling whole shows and just extremely hostile business practices in general. If they're banking on public pressure to force the unions to cave then I think they're in for a nasty surprise.
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Vegetable posted:Tbh I don’t think the public cares about these strikes People have woken up to capitalism being bullshit in a way we've not seen in my lifetime.
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LividLiquid posted:Far more do than ever have, and unlike the last two strikes, they're siding with the workers getting hosed. The general public is also very aware of the ever-changing and increasingly lovely streaming landscape, and how the streaming business model is affecting their viewing habits. Older network shows move from platform to platform, Netflix notoriously cancels their own shows no matter how passionate the fans are. I mean, 1899 was Netflix’s #2 most watched show for 3 consecutive weeks when it debuted, and then they cancelled it 2 months later. It’s insane. If people watching a show doesn’t make it successful, then what the gently caress defines success anymore? And why would a viewer invest any time into a show if even the most popular shows are at risk for cancellation at any time, just because they don’t hit some arbitrary metric set by an algorithm? Viewers are definitely frustrated at the business, and I’m seeing lots of public support for the writers from average people (aside from the chuds who think everyone who works in TV is automatically a zillionaire).
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It's one of like two fields total where you can become wealthy. Every other job that'll pay you that much requires you to have already started there. That they've taken one of the only .000001% aspirational moonshots away that they were using to convince the rest of us "see? It's possible to come from nothing and get rich! Only in America!" is loving staggering. They're never satisfied with eating the whole loving pie. All they can focus on is how unfair it is that some freeloader who did all the work got the crumbs that were rightfully theirs.
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Argyle posted:The general public is also very aware of the ever-changing and increasingly lovely streaming landscape, and how the streaming business model is affecting their viewing habits. Older network shows move from platform to platform, Netflix notoriously cancels their own shows no matter how passionate the fans are. And now shows are just being memory holed out of nowhere and seemingly at random.
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Argyle posted:The general public is also very aware of the ever-changing and increasingly lovely streaming landscape, and how the streaming business model is affecting their viewing habits. Older network shows move from platform to platform, Netflix notoriously cancels their own shows no matter how passionate the fans are. The fans of that show, Shadow and Bone are so desperate for this show not to get cancelled that fans will just play the show continuously in the background during the day so that the metrics don't drop. It's insane but what else are people supposed to do? It's not like Netflix has ever made it clear what it is that makes show successful and certainly aren't willing to let shows find their footing before shitcanning it. How do you invest money in to a product and not even give people the chance to find it?
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Happy Landfill posted:The fans of that show, Shadow and Bone are so desperate for this show not to get cancelled that fans will just play the show continuously in the background during the day so that the metrics don't drop. It's insane but what else are people supposed to do? It's not like Netflix has ever made it clear what it is that makes show successful and certainly aren't willing to let shows find their footing before shitcanning it. How do you invest money in to a product and not even give people the chance to find it? It's still kind of wild that the live action Cowboy Bebop went form apparently breaking all sorts of viewership records for Netflix and debuting in their #1 slot to "Yeah, we just cancelled it. Goodbye." in practically a single week. And that was irrespective of whatever terrible quality it might have had or the shitstorm around it during its debut from anime fans and chuds alike (though I repeat myself). Netflix is just bonkers, top to bottom.
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Yeah, Bebop came to mind for me as well. Say what you will about the quality of the live action version, but they at least already had a pretty solid framework of material to use as a roadmap to finish it… and Netflix couldn’t even be assed to go that far with it.
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nine-gear crow posted:It's still kind of wild that the live action Cowboy Bebop went form apparently breaking all sorts of viewership records for Netflix and debuting in their #1 slot to "Yeah, we just cancelled it. Goodbye." in practically a single week. And that was irrespective of whatever terrible quality it might have had or the shitstorm around it during its debut from anime fans and chuds alike (though I repeat myself). I'm really curious how they're going to deal with their One Piece adaptation, which seems doomed just from how difficult it is going to be to adapt the source material, the stink of Bebop as the previous big adaptation still being about, the gigantic budget etc. The latest trailer made it look like it might be okay as opposed to a complete disaster, but as the Cowboy Bebop example shows, it doesn't matter if it is the top ranked show with the highest viewership on Netflix, that's no guarantee it won't be unceremoniously canceled and how the gently caress does anybody exist in that kind of uncertainty? Barry's episode with Sally's show getting canceled by the algorithm looks more and more realistic every day.
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nine-gear crow posted:It's still kind of wild that the live action Cowboy Bebop went form apparently breaking all sorts of viewership records for Netflix and debuting in their #1 slot to "Yeah, we just cancelled it. Goodbye." in practically a single week. And that was irrespective of whatever terrible quality it might have had or the shitstorm around it during its debut from anime fans and chuds alike (though I repeat myself). Yeah, I used to think it was the budget that torpedoed a show and I guess it might still be but who honestly knows? That Gabriel Iglesias show couldn't have had a huge budget and it got the axe and people seemed to like it in that generically inoffensive sitcom sort of way.
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It’s always going to be an issue because these streamers never release their numbers, so we have absolutely no idea what is doing good numbers and what isn’t
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Jerusalem posted:I'm really curious how they're going to deal with their One Piece adaptation, which seems doomed just from how difficult it is going to be to adapt the source material, the stink of Bebop as the previous big adaptation still being about, the gigantic budget etc. The latest trailer made it look like it might be okay as opposed to a complete disaster, but as the Cowboy Bebop example shows, it doesn't matter if it is the top ranked show with the highest viewership on Netflix, that's no guarantee it won't be unceremoniously canceled and how the gently caress does anybody exist in that kind of uncertainty? I would not be surprised if Netflix is letting some algorithm decide which shows it axes and which ones it lets run forever with near zero human oversight. But yeah the One Piece show looks dead on arrival too. Probably same thing for the Avatar: The Last Airbender adaption.
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