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tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

boofhead posted:

id never heard of this guy until these posts. looks like basically ben shapiro for tankie gamers?

that's a little harsh but yeah Piker is nothing special. Lonerbox, however, rules and does plenty of stuff that is not reacting to drama, and refreshingly generally has his head on straight. His delivery can be pretty dry but I think he often does a really good job of refocusing a subject on what is actually important or consequential about it, or finds a frame to view it through that renders it simpler than it appears at first glance (as it is being presented by the wider conversation). Plus the end bumpers suggest he's a talented musician. I recommend everyone give him a shot if you've got the time.

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WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

You can thank the sinking of the Moskva for a lot of this.

These attacks are the long term affects of Russia losing insanely irreplaceable kit that could have prevented or interdicted some of this


The Moskva, the amount of E war stuff they've lost jammers etc. It's all culminating in Russia itself being able to be attacked on domestic soil and have their domestic imports and exports be critically damaged or outright destroyed.


Putin has to deal with the reality that his citizens know the war is being lost.

Overall the Russian citizens level of life is going to go downhill from here. they will have closed the loopholes to escape mobilization and there will be busses rolling around picking up any man off the street to go and serve in and die for the tsars decree.

That's the reality they are facing.

Here's a little scenario/example that doesn't seem impossible or even unlikely:

Your apartment in Russia is bombed.
You go outside as the fire is so bad you can't stay inside
The mobilization brigade comes over and abducts all the men that leave the apartment complex.

They get sent to Bakhmut or the South and get killed within 24 hours of leaving that apartment.

you cannot live in a society where something like that could become a daily occurrence

WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Aug 6, 2023

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
Remember these five VDV guys from the beginning of the war? I wonder whatever happened to them. Statistically speaking they've been promoted to 200s, but maybe they got lucky?

Pander
Oct 9, 2007

Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.



HonorableTB posted:

Remember these five VDV guys from the beginning of the war? I wonder whatever happened to them. Statistically speaking they've been promoted to 200s, but maybe they got lucky?


They seem to be the cream of the crop, I'm sure they're doing just stellar.

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

The Moskva, the amount of E war stuff they've lost jammers etc. It's all culminating in Russia itself being able to be attacked on domestic soil and have their domestic imports and exports be critically damaged or outright destroyed.

[...]

Here's a little scenario/example that doesn't seem impossible or even unlikely:

Your apartment in Russia is bombed.

Ukraine currently doesn't bomb civilian structures and I really hope they don't start. Not least because it's ineffective


Pander posted:

They seem to be the cream of the crop, I'm sure they're doing just stellar.

it's not the willy wonka elevator, it can't go up that high

e: though I'm not sure I can tell the whether these guys encountered Vermicious Knids or not

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

tiaz posted:

Ukraine currently doesn't bomb civilian structures and I really hope they don't start. Not least because it's ineffective

it's not the willy wonka elevator, it can't go up that high

e: though I'm not sure I can tell the whether these guys encountered Vermicious Knids or not

Even if it's not the intended targets, drones may be falling out of the sky and hitting these things are causing fires that are going to cause people to have to evacuate wherever they are. I don't want them to do civilian terror bombing either but it just happens in the eventual course of Bombing military target.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Aug 6, 2023

weg
Jun 6, 2006

Reassisted Retrogression

HonorableTB posted:

Remember these five VDV guys from the beginning of the war? I wonder whatever happened to them. Statistically speaking they've been promoted to 200s, but maybe they got lucky?



The Battlefield UI is giving me Operation Metro flashbacks.

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

weg posted:

The Battlefield UI is giving me Operation Metro flashbacks.

You are in a maze of rail-straight hoistways, all alike. You are likely to be eaten by an SBU.

>

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

tiaz posted:

You are in a maze of rail-straight hoistways, all alike. You are likely to be eaten by an SBU.

>

If you turned off the lights in that lift, you could well be eaten by a GRU.

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

Neddy Seagoon posted:

If you turned off the lights in that lift, you could well be eaten by a GRU.

:doh: I can't believe I missed that one. at least they're both Ukrainian security services

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Neddy Seagoon posted:

If you turned off the lights in that lift, you could well be eaten by a GRU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_blUzsgnXc

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

tiaz posted:

Ukraine currently doesn't bomb civilian structures and I really hope they don't start. Not least because it's ineffective


who said Ukraine is doing the bombing?

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

SirPhoebos posted:

who said Ukraine is doing the bombing?

they've functionally admitted to the drone strikes in moscow

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

SirPhoebos posted:

who said Ukraine is doing the bombing?

I mean the rest of the statement was "and then the occupants of that apartment building are sent to Ukraine", so ...

but I do broadly agree that domestic security in Russia is worsening and will enable frozen conflicts or weakly controlled puppets elsewhere on their border to kick off

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


redshirt posted:

gently caress the Pah Wraiths!

Imagine being a modern start trek writer having to come up with a new race to represent Russia. Just a vast expanse of broke empire . Their diplomacy is centred around begging for shockingly out of date technology. Their military exists only make inward threats against and rob its own government. They constantly battle against the 24th century’s least threat: simple combustion fires.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

the Igush Liberation Army has risen


Let's see what happens over the next few days with a possible revolt sparking in the Caucasus.

Remember a few weeks ago how I talked about the fact that the vdv was in bakhmut would weaken Russian grasp on the caucuses overall due to the fact that Russia uses them as a quick reaction force in the region to thwart independence movements etc

Well now there is a possible armed rebellion sparking in ingushetia.

For those who know or don't. The Igush war was from 2007-2015 and many many security forces were killed during that time. 400 police and 100 Russian army personnel.


Overall I do think that the region has allegiance to Putin because he is considered a defender of fundamentalism compared to Western liberalism. But with a clear weakening of Russians ability to respond to resistance cells or open revolt we will see what happens in the caucuses.


Russia has literally set itself up for the type of independence campaigns it uses to steal land.

Autisanal Cheese
Nov 29, 2010

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

the Igush Liberation Army has risen


Let's see what happens over the next few days with a possible revolt sparking in the Caucasus.

Remember a few weeks ago how I talked about the fact that the vdv was in bakhmut would weaken Russian grasp on the caucuses overall due to the fact that Russia uses them as a quick reaction force in the region to thwart independence movements etc

Well now there is a possible armed rebellion sparking in ingushetia.

For those who know or don't. The Igush war was from 2007-2015 and many many security forces were killed during that time. 400 police and 100 Russian army personnel.


Overall I do think that the region has allegiance to Putin because he is considered a defender of fundamentalism compared to Western liberalism. But with a clear weakening of Russians ability to respond to resistance cells or open revolt we will see what happens in the caucuses.


Russia has literally set itself up for the type of independence campaigns it uses to steal land.

I'm begging you for a source, Gigolo

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
He's talking about this. It's another insurgency group in the Caucasus.

https://twitter.com/VolodyaTretyak/status/1687722501428613120?s=20

https://m.censor.net/ua/video_news/3435377/ingushski_partyzany_zapysaly_zvernennya_na_terytoriyi_ingushetiyi_video



Gigolo please man post a link next time so I don't have to keep doing it for you, this is like the third time this week lol


The Ingush War began in 2007 as an escalation of an insurgency in Ingushetia connected to the separatist wars in Chechnya. By 2009 Ingushetia surpassed Chechnya as the most violent of the North Caucasus republics, but the insurgency had been winding down for some years around 2015 or so. Now it seems that some of the Ingush insurgent groups smell blood in the water and are kicking up a fuss again with Putin's attention in Ukraine and the normal enforcers - the Kadyrovtsi - liquidated. This is not a very serious threat in my opinion. Insurgent groups like this are a dime a dozen in the Caucasus, and it would be expected to see this happen anywhere there had been previous separatist violence. It shouldn't be ignored by Putin though - this kind of thing isn't a threat on its own but if it doesn't get squashed then next thing you know you have ten more groups like them and it suddenly starts becoming a problem before you know it.

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Aug 6, 2023

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Autisanal Cheese posted:

I'm begging you for a source, Gigolo

We are talking about a republic deep in Russia. Who would even be able to report on this or source it?

Here's A source i found after a cursory look:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWar...web2x&context=3

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Gbs should be for wild speculation and theory crafting of headcanon-grade ideas. Not this “source” bullshit.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

shadow puppet of a posted:

Gbs should be for wild speculation and theory crafting of headcanon-grade ideas. Not this “source” bullshit.

Putin is a half-formed Reagan clone.
The timeline lines up.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

HonorableTB posted:

Remember these five VDV guys from the beginning of the war? I wonder whatever happened to them. Statistically speaking they've been promoted to 200s, but maybe they got lucky?



I don't know, but I'm sure the guy who lost a battle with that electronics store door is at least a major general by now.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

HonorableTB posted:

He's talking about this. It's another insurgency group in the Caucasus.

https://twitter.com/VolodyaTretyak/status/1687722501428613120?s=20

https://m.censor.net/ua/video_news/3435377/ingushski_partyzany_zapysaly_zvernennya_na_terytoriyi_ingushetiyi_video



Gigolo please man post a link next time so I don't have to keep doing it for you, this is like the third time this week lol


The Ingush War began in 2007 as an escalation of an insurgency in Ingushetia connected to the separatist wars in Chechnya. By 2009 Ingushetia surpassed Chechnya as the most violent of the North Caucasus republics, but the insurgency had been winding down for some years around 2015 or so. Now it seems that some of the Ingush insurgent groups smell blood in the water and are kicking up a fuss again with Putin's attention in Ukraine and the normal enforcers - the Kadyrovtsi - liquidated. This is not a very serious threat in my opinion. Insurgent groups like this are a dime a dozen in the Caucasus, and it would be expected to see this happen anywhere there had been previous separatist violence. It shouldn't be ignored by Putin though - this kind of thing isn't a threat on its own but if it doesn't get squashed then next thing you know you have ten more groups like them and it suddenly starts becoming a problem before you know it.


I think that should be the focus here. Because how is this group going to get quashed? Is it going to be the rosgvardia? The normal escalation troops are too busy getting slaughtered In bakhmut. If the people rise up there may be nobody but cops and regional guards to actually do anything about this.

There is definitely a path to regional revolts. The question remains what happens next

zone
Dec 6, 2016

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

We are talking about a republic deep in Russia. Who would even be able to report on this or source it?

Here's A source i found after a cursory look:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWar...web2x&context=3

So where did you get it from then?

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

shadow puppet of a posted:

Imagine being a modern start trek writer having to come up with a new race to represent Russia. Just a vast expanse of broke empire . Their diplomacy is centred around begging for shockingly out of date technology. Their military exists only make inward threats against and rob its own government. They constantly battle against the 24th century’s least threat: simple combustion fires.

Think these guys would fit the bill perfectly. No need for a totally new species.

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

spankmeister posted:

So where did you get it from then?

Some obscure Minecraft discord

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

You can thank the sinking of the Moskva for a lot of this.

These attacks are the long term affects of Russia losing insanely irreplaceable kit that could have prevented or interdicted some of this


The Moskva, the amount of E war stuff they've lost jammers etc. It's all culminating in Russia itself being able to be attacked on domestic soil and have their domestic imports and exports be critically damaged or outright destroyed.


Putin has to deal with the reality that his citizens know the war is being lost.

Overall the Russian citizens level of life is going to go downhill from here. they will have closed the loopholes to escape mobilization and there will be busses rolling around picking up any man off the street to go and serve in and die for the tsars decree.

That's the reality they are facing.

Here's a little scenario/example that doesn't seem impossible or even unlikely:

Your apartment in Russia is bombed.
You go outside as the fire is so bad you can't stay inside
The mobilization brigade comes over and abducts all the men that leave the apartment complex.

They get sent to Bakhmut or the South and get killed within 24 hours of leaving that apartment.

you cannot live in a society where something like that could become a daily occurrence

settle down

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Kung Food posted:

Think these guys would fit the bill perfectly. No need for a totally new species.

Lower Decks went there as their S2 vilians. Checks out.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

HonorableTB posted:

Remember these five VDV guys from the beginning of the war? I wonder whatever happened to them. Statistically speaking they've been promoted to 200s, but maybe they got lucky?



If they're lucky, they're probably still stuck in that elevator.

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Aug 6, 2023

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

mobby_6kl posted:

If they're lucky, they're probably still stuck in thar elevator.

more flooded than the oil tanker

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

shadow puppet of a posted:

Now it seems that some of the Ingush insurgent groups smell blood in the water and are kicking up a fuss again with Putin's attention in Ukraine and the normal enforcers - the Kadyrovtsi - liquidated.

[citation needed]

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

spankmeister posted:

So where did you get it from then?

he reads a bunch of extremely worthless telegram channels, some maybe less worthless, too, idk. that's been his gimmick for a decade now or something.

in any event every single armed group that hasn't done anything should be treated as utterly inconsequential, doubly so when the entire evidence of their existence is a single video with 4 anonymous people in an entirely ambiguous location, even more so when it is then being spread around almost entirely by people involved in ukrainian messaging efforts. 99% of groups announced like that do nothing ever and at most exist long enough to scam some donations before disappearing again just as quickly.

hell the last supposed chechen armed group taking the fight to Russia in Russia showed one video of dubious quality showing themselves machine gunning a single russian truck supposedly a mile from the border of Ukraine. they claimed that they'd killed an entire convoy of dozens of Russians (again suspiciously close to the border) but never produced any evidence of it whatsoever. all that poo poo means less than nothing until they're actually doing something

TEMPLE GRANDIN OS
Dec 10, 2003

...blyat
live dangerously, cite nothing, spread disinformation, do squats, eat oats, putin is a piece of poo poo

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

I'm as settled down as a sig on a seabed, baby.

RoastBeef
Jul 11, 2008


. wrong thread

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

Autisanal Cheese posted:

I'm begging you for a source, Gigolo

His sources are usually telegram channels or others that can't be shared here without creating an interforums incident.

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NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Speaking of extremely worthless telegram channels:



Rusich is a unit of open neo-Nazis fighting for Russia, btw.

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