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hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Guardian AU posted:

More than 1,600 Australians pushed into homelessness each month as housing crisis deepens, report finds
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The housing crisis and rising financial stress are pushing more than 1,600 people into homelessness each month as demand for sheltering services soars, a report has found. Homelessness Australia said between December and March demand for homelessness services rose 7.5% across Australia amid soaring rents and record low vacancy rates. In total, an extra 6,658 people sought help. The biggest rise in demand for homelessness services was seen in Queensland (12.9% rise) followed by Western Australia (11.1%) and New South Wales (10.2%), according to the report, which was released on Friday. Women and children make up 74% of those accessing services.
...

If only there were literally anything at all we could do... pity there is no policy in existance that could somehow take rents and stop them increasing beyond people's ability to pay them. Ah well, time to die in the street about it poors.

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Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
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GoldStandardConure posted:

Sky News is running some rubbish about 'hidden documents' from the Uluru Statement saying that taxpayers will be forced to pay reperations if the voice to parliament gets voted in.

lol
lmao

I'd change my vote to Yes if that were true

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde
If you vote yes to The Voice then aboriginal death squads will rampage through towns and beat your loved ones

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Non Compos Mentis posted:

If you vote yes to The Voice then aboriginal death squads will rampage through towns and beat your loved ones

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!

HazCat
May 4, 2009

hooman posted:

If only there were literally anything at all we could do... pity there is no policy in existance that could somehow take rents and stop them increasing beyond people's ability to pay them. Ah well, time to die in the street about it poors.

Politicians reading this post, looking at how MAID is being used in Canada, and nodding thoughtfully.

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

correction to an earlier post

"ABC posted:

AFP admits Peter Dutton was not specifically briefed on concerns over Nauru businessman

The Australian Federal Police has been forced to correct the record and clarify that Opposition Leader Peter Dutton was not briefed on the identity of a man later jailed for bribing Nauru government officials, before he was awarded government contracts.

The AFP has conceded it should have used "tighter language" to avoid suggesting the opposition leader was made aware Mozammil Gulamabass "Mozu" Bhojani was being investigated for bribing officials in order to obtain advantage for one of his businesses.

trunkh
Jan 31, 2011



Non Compos Mentis posted:

If you vote yes to The Voice then police squads will rampage through towns and beat your loved ones

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde
but police already beat their families?

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!

Non Compos Mentis posted:

but police already beat their families?

60% don't

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

Bucky Fullminster posted:

Speaking of batshit excuses for racism, here's a good look at some of the narratives that are winding their way into the No campaign, specifically the intellectual journey of Josephine Cashman, if anyone wants some good ol' deep-diving independent journalism:

https://medium.com/@pestcontrolau/josephine-cashman-and-the-unoriginal-voice-to-parliament-b6812eed3e53

it's pretty obvious cashman has been seriously mentally unwell since around late 2019, when she suddenly went from a relatively normal indigenous conservative to a completely unhinged lunatic who rapidly burned bridges with most mainstream conservatives by making bizarre fraudulent claims and who now has all sorts of absurd conspiracy theories about bill shorten and king charles using jewish people as a scapegoat for their plot to steal australia's natural resources for the un, and whatever this is trying to convey: https://josephinecashman.com.au/maps

she's now deeply into right-wing conspiracy theories and so regurgitates parts of them (though she usually comes up with weirder, more idiosyncratic and harder to follow takes than most of them do), and other conspiracy theorists take from the nonsense she invents too. you don't need to come up with a conspiracy theory about near-defunct fascist org the league of rights being secretly responsible for any of this

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!
Peoples brains seem to be breaking real bad as material conditions worsen while lacking the analysis and critique of class and capitalism.

There I wrote in one sentence what bucky couldn't convey in an hour.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

lih posted:

it's pretty obvious cashman has been seriously mentally unwell since around late 2019, when she suddenly went from a relatively normal indigenous conservative to a completely unhinged lunatic who rapidly burned bridges with most mainstream conservatives by making bizarre fraudulent claims and who now has all sorts of absurd conspiracy theories about bill shorten and king charles using jewish people as a scapegoat for their plot to steal australia's natural resources for the un, and whatever this is trying to convey: https://josephinecashman.com.au/maps

she's now deeply into right-wing conspiracy theories and so regurgitates parts of them (though she usually comes up with weirder, more idiosyncratic and harder to follow takes than most of them do), and other conspiracy theorists take from the nonsense she invents too. you don't need to come up with a conspiracy theory about near-defunct fascist org the league of rights being secretly responsible for any of this

Well yes this is essentially a chronicle of that very saga.

There's no conspiracy theory, it just lays out the roots of the narratives that have poisoned her brain. You seem to think things happen in vacuum. Like she just went crazy, completely independent of any media she happened to consume, and all the stuff the fascist orgs do over the decades just spirals off into the ether without ever impacting anybody. It's all soup in the same pot.

edit - to be clear, that's not my article, although I have worked with the author on some of this stuff

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

hooman posted:

If only there were literally anything at all we could do... pity there is no policy in existance that could somehow take rents and stop them increasing beyond people's ability to pay them. Ah well, time to die in the street about it poors.

how about tax breaks for landlords?

Autisanal Cheese
Nov 29, 2010

Bucky Fullminster posted:

edit - to be clear, that's not my article

that's already clear, it was an appropriate length

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Well you'll be pleased to know I shaved a whole 6 minutes off, and changed the title to something hopefully a bit more relevant and engaging:



In other news, Uluru is truly spectacular.

Just imagine the first humans to lay eyes on it. Desert desert desert desert desert holy poo poo what the hell is that thing

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

starkebn posted:

how about tax breaks for landlords?

Someone call the ALP!

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

Non Compos Mentis posted:

If you vote yes to The Voice then aboriginal death squads will rampage through towns and beat your loved ones

Can't wait for the voice referendum where millions of aboriginal supersoldiers will behead all white parents and small business owners in the town square

a strange fowl
Oct 27, 2022

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Can't wait for the voice referendum where millions of aboriginal supersoldiers will behead all white parents and small business owners in the town square
same. about time

BOAT SHOWBOAT
Oct 11, 2007

who do you carry the torch for, my young man?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-06/pm-warns-no-constitutional-indigenous-recognition-if-voice-fails/102693828

This is awful - agree or not there are more nuanced reasons people are not supporting the voice than just racism/not wanting any kind of recognition - this all or nothing approach is the worst possible messaging

EvilElmo
May 10, 2009

BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-06/pm-warns-no-constitutional-indigenous-recognition-if-voice-fails/102693828

This is awful - agree or not there are more nuanced reasons people are not supporting the voice than just racism/not wanting any kind of recognition - this all or nothing approach is the worst possible messaging

Working with Pauline, Dutton and the Nats to vote no and encouraging people to vote no is the worst possible messaging.

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
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EvilElmo posted:

Working with Pauline, Dutton and the Nats to vote no and encouraging people to vote no is the worst possible messaging.

Voting No is good. https://www.blackpeoplesunion.org/statements/voice-to-parliament

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
ah yes the john howard approach to referendums, truely albo has learned from the master

Konomex
Oct 25, 2010

a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...
Are there legitimate reasons for voting no other then 'it doesn't go far enough', which never feels like a legitimate argument when people use it.

EvilElmo
May 10, 2009

https://ulurustatement.org/the-statement/view-the-statement/

It really isn't.

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
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Someone didn't read the BPU statement lol

EvilElmo
May 10, 2009

Bald Stalin posted:

Someone didn't read the BPU statement lol

I'm actually curious, why does that statement carry more weight in your decision making when compared to the Statement from the Heart? One of if not the largest consensus statement of First Nations groups?

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
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Why do you think a small group of people picked by the colonizers, ruling class and their collaborators, at a meeting from which some walked away, to ask for something that won't help the first nations plight and instead set back the cause, should trump the correct analysis given by the BPU and ACP? It appears you're going with feelings and idealism, not thorough analysis of history and the material conditions.

EvilElmo
May 10, 2009

Bald Stalin posted:

Why do you think a small group of people picked by the colonizers, ruling class and their collaborators, at a meeting from which some walked away, to ask for something that won't help the first nations plight and instead set back the cause, should trump the correct analysis given by the BPU and ACP?

Hold up. That opening sentence is a doozy.

I'll leave it at that.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
saying the statement from the heart was a consensus is kind of telling on yourself for not actually giving a poo poo about this because it was actually notable because it was not a consensus and a lot of the black people arguing for no were in fact part of that group that disagreed with the minutae of what it entailed

EvilElmo
May 10, 2009

Jezza of OZPOS posted:

saying the statement from the heart was a consensus is kind of telling on yourself for not actually giving a poo poo about this because it was actually notable because it was not a consensus and a lot of the black people arguing for no were in fact part of that group that disagreed with the minutae of what it entailed

As the largest consensus of First Nations peoples on a proposal for substantive recognition in Australian history, the road to the Uluru Statement from the Heart is a long one even without mentioning the decades of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander activism that came before it.

True. I got that bit wrong. There was a small group of dissenting voices, as there always are.

But again, if the majority agreed on the wording in the statement. In your decision making on how youre going to vote, what puts their voices behind a smaller groups who dissented/walked out?

The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
Plibble

Jezza of OZPOS posted:

ah yes the john howard approach to referendums, truely albo has learned from the master

Didn’t Howard get what he wanted?

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
voting No will obviously make everything better

Wizard Master
Mar 25, 2008

BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-06/pm-warns-no-constitutional-indigenous-recognition-if-voice-fails/102693828

This is awful - agree or not there are more nuanced reasons people are not supporting the voice than just racism/not wanting any kind of recognition - this all or nothing approach is the worst possible messaging

What an absolute clown this bloke turned out to be

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Jezza of OZPOS posted:

ah yes the john howard approach to referendums, truely albo has learned from the master

It's probably that but also the good ol neoliberal hyping up a baby step as the be all and end all so if it fails you can point to it forever as an example of how we tried to hard but it just didn't work so we can and should never try again, and if it succeeds saying it clearly was the most comprehensive thing we could do and you're a whiny baby who wants a pony if you could even imagine asking for more

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!

starkebn posted:

voting Yes will obviously make everything better

How?

Robodog
Oct 22, 2004

...how does that work?

Bald Stalin posted:

Why do you think a small group of people picked by the colonizers, ruling class and their collaborators, at a meeting from which some walked away, to ask for something that won't help the first nations plight and instead set back the cause, should trump the correct analysis given by the BPU and ACP? It appears you're going with feelings and idealism, not thorough analysis of history and the material conditions.

no true scotsman babyyyyyyyyyyy i fucken love it

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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
this is amazing

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