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What's a good colour equivalent for Agrax Earthshade? I used to use it for certain pin washes. Though I suppose any dark brown would do?
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grassy gnoll posted:RE Future, if you want to use floor polish as your varnish coat, go with God, but just be aware that primordial modelers picked it up at a time when you couldn't find reliable sources of cheap acrylic varnish shipped to your door for pocket money. It doesn't have magical properties or anything. In addition to self-levelling and being able to be sprayed or brushed on for an extremely durable coat (floor polish innit). It's also dirt cheap for a product which is on par with if not superior to a purpose made product. £7.65 for 200ml of Vallejo Gloss £18 for 900ml of Quick Shine Floor Polish which includes £3 shipping. Literally less than half the price. Flipswitch posted:What's a good colour equivalent for Agrax Earthshade? I used to use it for certain pin washes. Though I suppose any dark brown would do? Burnt umber with a touch of black in an oil wash can be used in virtually the same fashion. Goes on nicely, and doesn't leave tide marks. Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Aug 6, 2023 |
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Aug 6, 2023 13:51
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Siivola posted:Just paint some dudes, they'll be fine.  In review I would say that the old Space Marine painting guide still works, actually. 
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Aug 6, 2023 13:52
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Z the IVth posted:It's also dirt cheap for a product which is on par with if not superior to a purpose made product.
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Aug 6, 2023 14:17
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jesus WEP posted:technically true but i’m not sure if i will ever go through my 200ml bottle, let alone almost a litre of varnish Took me about 12 years to get through my first bottle but after I started airbrushing my varnish the 2nd new one is depleting steadily. It really is so much more convenient.
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Aug 6, 2023 14:58
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Z the IVth posted:In addition to self-levelling and being able to be sprayed or brushed on for an extremely durable coat (floor polish innit). It's also dirt cheap for a product which is on par with if not superior to a purpose made product.
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Aug 6, 2023 15:18
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Flipswitch posted:What's a good colour equivalent for Agrax Earthshade? I used to use it for certain pin washes. Though I suppose any dark brown would do? Army Painter Strong Tone is pretty much the same. It was originally intended to duplicate the old citadel brown shade that was replaced by Agrax Earthshade.
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Aug 6, 2023 15:24
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Bucnasti posted:Army Painter Strong Tone is pretty much the same. It was originally intended to duplicate the old citadel brown shade that was replaced by Agrax Earthshade. Stahly from Tale of Painters did a review of the range a few years back when AP revised their line of washes, and he pointed out that Strong Tone is actually more like the old Devlan Mud wash than Agrax Earthshade. It's Soft Tone that is more like Agrax these days; Soft Tone used to be more of a sepia tone wash, but the AP Light Tone wash has taken on that role. Granted, I haven't bought a bottle of any of them in years (mainly because I stocked up a couple of years ago and still have like 3 bottles of Soft Tone, Strong Tone, and Dark Tone that I have yet to use up), but from what I've seen in my usage of them, I'd say that Stahly's analysis was correct.
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Aug 6, 2023 15:42
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Z the IVth posted:In addition to self-levelling and being able to be sprayed or brushed on for an extremely durable coat (floor polish innit). It's also dirt cheap for a product which is on par with if not superior to a purpose made product. I'm addressing the people who treat the floor polish like it's the holy grail of varnishes, when it's really just the same acrylic medium as anything else. Some of it may be a result of how much of a pain it is to find the actual Future formulation - Pledge keeps changing the branding and the composition of the stuff you can get here in the US, so it's surprisingly difficult to go out to a hardware store or a big box and just get a bottle of the stuff. I can go to pretty much any arts and crafts place and buy a giant bottle of Liquitex varnish for about the same cash-to-volume ratio, with about the same level of difficulty as picking up a bottle of milk on my way home from work. Finding actual-factual Future Floor Polish without additives or other crap was an ordeal. And yeah, hobby specialist products are usually a ripoff repackaging of beauty or art products. Like, nobody should ever buy weathering pigments from a hobby company when you can get literally the same colorful dirt for a tenth or less of what GSW or Vallejo will charge you. Now, a good matte varnish, that's something you can start a fight about.
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Aug 6, 2023 21:00
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grassy gnoll posted:Some of it may be a result of how much of a pain it is to find the actual Future formulation - Pledge keeps changing the branding and the composition of the stuff you can get here in the US, so it's surprisingly difficult to go out to a hardware store or a big box and just get a bottle of the stuff. The current stuff you want is this:  It's ever so slightly less glossy than future / pledge, but not significantly. It's just as thin and just as self-leveling. The only downside is it's milky white as a liquid same as Liquitex varnish, it still dries transparent.
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Aug 6, 2023 21:20
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grassy gnoll posted:Now, a good matte varnish, that's something you can start a fight about. Winsor and Newton Galeria Matte. I'll see you in the parking lot. 
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Aug 7, 2023 02:08
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Z the IVth posted:Winsor and Newton Galeria Matte. loving truth. Best matte I’ve used, and goes smoothly through the airbrush. Put that over some Al-Clad Aqua Gloss and you’re golden.
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Aug 7, 2023 02:23
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I gotta massive box of hobby stuff coming in the mail, magnetic bases of all sizes, stones, texture mud paste, gravel, flowers, tufts, some paint, etc. super hyped!
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Aug 7, 2023 04:48
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Bad pictures right now but I'm excited how Titus came out. Went for a very traditional box art style. First time using pigment powders on the base too.  
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Aug 7, 2023 04:59
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Z the IVth posted:Winsor and Newton Galeria Matte. You didn't say Dullcote, so we're not posting enemies. I've had absurdly good luck with Vallejo Mecha Matte, but I acknowledge I'm an outlier there.
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Aug 7, 2023 07:01
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I did a test model for my oath - I tried to keep the layers and palette size small and I think it's mostly worked:  I have a couple of problems with it - - mostly that the blue and the red are too dark. The blue is just a case of starting lighter but I'm not sure about the red - I went with Vallejo Heavy Red > Vermillion > Flaming Orange but it is still quite dull. Any thoughts or opinions before I paint another 30 of these would be gladly appreciated...
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Aug 7, 2023 07:18
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Southern Heel posted:I did a test model for my oath - I tried to keep the layers and palette size small and I think it's mostly worked: I decided to tart him up a bit more with brighter colours - I think it worked? 
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Aug 7, 2023 09:33
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Stahly from Tale of Painters did a review of the range a few years back when AP revised their line of washes, and he pointed out that Strong Tone is actually more like the old Devlan Mud wash than Agrax Earthshade. It's Soft Tone that is more like Agrax these days; Soft Tone used to be more of a sepia tone wash, but the AP Light Tone wash has taken on that role. Granted, I haven't bought a bottle of any of them in years (mainly because I stocked up a couple of years ago and still have like 3 bottles of Soft Tone, Strong Tone, and Dark Tone that I have yet to use up), but from what I've seen in my usage of them, I'd say that Stahly's analysis was correct. Crazy, I've been using Soft Tone as a replacement for Seraphim Sepia for years through multiple bottles. Maybe I didn't notice the color shift after a I took a few years off the hobby.
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Aug 7, 2023 15:08
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Bucnasti posted:Crazy, It threw me at first, too, when I bought some after taking an extended break from the hobby. I ended up getting some Seraphim Sepia because Soft Tone wasn't doing what it used to do, while also wondering why the hell Strong Tone was coming out so drat dark when all's I wanted was a medium-ish brown. It wasn't until I read Stahly's article some time later that I realized what was wrong.
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Aug 7, 2023 15:12
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Psst psssssst Artists' acrylic brush on varnish is kind of a scam actually, it's exactly the same stuff as brush on acrylic wood varnish that you can buy at any hardware store way cheaper Get you some Minwax Polycrylic matte and gloss And thin it 50/50 with acrylic floor polish
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Aug 7, 2023 19:19
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So I keep noticing I've been stripping paint (but not my primer) off the edges of models when I pick them up. Am I not throwing enough paint on there? Am I too rough maybe or do I got oily hands that strips acrylic off?
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Aug 7, 2023 21:24
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Shoehead posted:Am I too rough maybe or do I got oily hands that strips acrylic off? Yes. Varnish your models to protect the paint on those edges for when you handle them in games and stuff. If this happens while you're painting (so before varnishing) just don't touch the model at all while painting.
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Aug 7, 2023 21:29
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Shoehead posted:So I keep noticing I've been stripping paint (but not my primer) off the edges of models when I pick them up. Am I not throwing enough paint on there? Am I too rough maybe or do I got oily hands that strips acrylic off? This is pretty common, have you varnished them with a clear matt spray?
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Aug 7, 2023 21:29
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Shoehead posted:So I keep noticing I've been stripping paint (but not my primer) off the edges of models when I pick them up. Am I not throwing enough paint on there? Am I too rough maybe or do I got oily hands that strips acrylic off? Alternatively paint them like I did 20 years ago and you won't need to varnish (because you'll have a lovely thick paintjob)!
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Aug 7, 2023 21:30
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Shoehead posted:So I keep noticing I've been stripping paint (but not my primer) off the edges of models when I pick them up. Am I not throwing enough paint on there? Am I too rough maybe or do I got oily hands that strips acrylic off? You see the 20 paintgrog posts above extolling the virtues of various pet flavours of varnish? There's a reason for it.
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Aug 7, 2023 21:39
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Oooh thanks for the quick replies. He hasn't been varnished yet because he's still I'm progress but I'll look into it after. I keep flipping him and taking him out of my holder to paint details on his feet and that's when I seem to do it. Here's a wip btw  He's still Blutak only atm. I'm looking forward to trying the safety stripes on his shoulders next
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Aug 7, 2023 22:15
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Thats why people use mini-holders when they paint, so they don't touch the mini with their bare hands and rub the paint off. If you're doing it right your coats of paint should be thin and kinda fragile, and need varnishing when you're done so they can be handled somewhat safely.
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Aug 7, 2023 22:35
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I really enjoy AK’s matte and ultra matte varnish myself. Previously used vallejo’s, but found AK goes through the airbrush even easier.
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Aug 7, 2023 22:58
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Z the IVth posted:You see the 20 paintgrog posts above extolling the virtues of various pet flavours of varnish? There's a reason for it.  ABBC Always Be Bullet Coating (a coat of matte over a coat of gloss)
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Aug 7, 2023 23:25
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grassy gnoll posted:You didn't say Dullcote, so we're not posting enemies. Mecha Matt is the only varnish to ever frost on me and I have abused many complained about brands in less than ideal conditions with no issues before now. To be fair I think it must be a lovely bottle but I may go back to regular vallejo matt, no idea what the real effective difference is anyway aside from un backed up declarations online that it’s more durable or something. As far as I know it’s just an acrylic varnish like the regular stuff. As an aside despite making great bottles varnishes Vallejo somehow makes the shittiest rattlecan varnishes I have ever encountered. They stink even after application and retain stickiness even after weeks. Transported some minis I’d tested it on in a case with some extra tissue and they came out the other end with tissue fluff irredeemably stuck all over them.
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If you're worried you sweat paint stripper, try wearing a medical glove in the hand you hold the mini with.
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Aug 8, 2023 05:23
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Mr Teatime posted:Mecha Matt is the only varnish to ever frost on me and I have abused many complained about brands in less than ideal conditions with no issues before now. To be fair I think it must be a lovely bottle but I may go back to regular vallejo matt, no idea what the real effective difference is anyway aside from un backed up declarations online that it’s more durable or something. As far as I know it’s just an acrylic varnish like the regular stuff. I really loved Mecha Matte until I bought a second bottle and it gummed up my airbrush and was unsprayable. Bought some AK Ultra Matte instead and I've had no problems, gunna have to buy another bottle soon.
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Oh the op mentioned popping a layer of gloss over areas you wanna save. So say for example these warning stripes I want to do on the shoulders? I'd coat them in varnish, let them dry, and if I gently caress it up I can wipe it down with isopropyl without stripping anything beneath the varnish? Am I interpreting that right?
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Aug 8, 2023 11:17
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Shoehead posted:So I keep noticing I've been stripping paint (but not my primer) off the edges of models when I pick them up. Am I not throwing enough paint on there? Am I too rough maybe or do I got oily hands that strips acrylic off? keep your mini on some painting handle eg. i use old deodorant sticks and blu tack if you don't use deodorant, you can buy official gw painting handles too
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Aug 8, 2023 12:14
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ChubbyChecker posted:keep your mini on some painting handle Sections of dowel and/or large corks also work.
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Aug 8, 2023 12:36
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Oh yeah I have a heap of those really long lids for deodorant that I have a heap of guys blutaked to. I also have some regular coke lids that I have fitted into a grip. And then a heap of sprue sticking up with arms dangling off.
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Aug 8, 2023 12:43
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ChubbyChecker posted:keep your mini on some painting handle If you have to be on a lot of drugs, the pill bottles work too as handles when there's no more drugs in them. Maybe replace the drugs with rocks or something for added weight if you tend to knock things over.
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Aug 8, 2023 12:52
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I’ve been using whiskey bottle corks that have a wooden or plastic cap at the end. They’re nice and stable
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Aug 8, 2023 12:58
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I've always used drug bottles and blu tack and scoffed at the expensive bespoke GW handles, but I got two (one of the big and one of the small) from a friend who was getting rid of all her hobby stuff and it surprised me how nice they are. The big one especially. I thought the idea of putting a large monster type thing on a painting handle was kinda ridiculous but it rules, actually.
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The only thing I don't like about the GW handles is that I only have one of them, so it's tough to batch paint, and it's tough to paint the rims
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