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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Literally posting through it Pence. Donnie's going all brainfart diarrhea to try and get the trial moved (lol no) or the judge changed (LOL NO). bulletsponge13 posted:She posted what seems like reciepts further down- it looks legit It's legit, it was a big thing a while back. Jason Millier (the man with no chin) even tried to give her an abortion pill in a drink or some poo poo. She's been fighting this thing for a long time.
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CBJSprague24 posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1688215568329867264?t=5Ylgzc6aN6cH-yIaKf1i-A&s=19 Too soon to tell if there will be consequences but hoping he’ll learn that contempt of court is a thing and maybe that will deplete his already shallow pool of lawyers willing to defend him.
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Legal Eagle dropped a video on the latest indictment and made the interesting point that belief and intent mean jack poo poo to these charges. They are purely about what actions were taken and who was involved and what was said. Which, well, it doesn't bode well for Trump.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Legal Eagle dropped a video on the latest indictment and made the interesting point that belief and intent mean jack poo poo to these charges. They are purely about what actions were taken and who was involved and what was said. Which, well, it doesn't bode well for Trump. Yeah, that's an accurate reading best as I can tell. It's also completely and utterly different than what you'll hear from Republicans. Also be wary of all the "well it's just free speech and trump can't be charged for that" nonsense you'll hear too. Apparently like one out of the four counts has a high intent requirement, but even that high requirements doesn't mean "well, you have to prove he didn't believe it". That doesn't get him off the hook for the bullshit elector slates that he knew were against the official totals.
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Kind of a moot point anyway because trump was a festering wound of malintent on this matter (and others)
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78th anniversary of the first offensive use of nuclear weapons was today.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Kind of a moot point anyway because trump was a festering wound of malintent on this matter (and others) Sure but I'm not complaining about less burden of proof
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Midjack posted:78th anniversary of the first offensive use of nuclear weapons was today. An unimaginable horror that didn't need to happen Source: I did two papers on the bombs believing the invasion prevention justification.
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Wasabi the J posted:An unimaginable horror that didn't need to happen Turn on your oscilloscope
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Wasabi the J posted:An unimaginable horror that didn't need to happen Can I read the papers
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Can I read the papers Probably written by somebody with no family in the service at the time.
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I think part of the equation is on what you personally believe the primary motivator for the bombing was- was it a demonstration of force not for the Japanese, but for the world? Was it to preserve the lives of a home island invasion? Simple math? I'd like to read the papers, and I am interested in a group discussion on the topic because I don't feel qualified to make a fair eval of the use.
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I'm not asking facetiously either. Counterfactuals are really difficult things to definitively state one way or another, plus fog of war, etc
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Wasabi the J posted:An unimaginable horror that didn't need to happen Meh. We were already visiting unimaginable horrors in the form of massive firebombing that killed more than the nuclear weapons did. There is little reason to believe Japan was going to capitulate and they made it clear in their attempts to negotiate with the Soviets they viewed the only way worth surrendering was them keeping their Imperial gains they still had. The nuclear weapons made it clear to the Japanese High Command, especially the Emperor himself, that combined with the invasion of Manchuria that it was over, completely and totally. And Japan was a-okay visiting unimaginable horrors on China and Southeast Asia, and would've likely needed to visit such on the US in turn to achieve their goals had they been able to do so. *Insert William Tecumseh Sherman s letter to the Atlanta City Council on the cruelty of war here* CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm not asking facetiously either. Counterfactuals are really difficult things to definitively state one way or another, plus fog of war, etc I've seen what seemed like fairly compelling arguments in both directions, eg that Japan was already aware that it was defeated and so they were unnecessary and conversely that they were aware they were defeated but also still intended to go down fighting as much as humanly possible which seemed not-unfounded based off of pre-bomb engagements with the IJN. I too would be very curious to see anything particularly good on that point
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I'm personally against the reading of history that treats the Nuclear Bombings of Japan as a uniquely horrible crime and Japan as passive victims of it. Certainly the people actually nuked and who died of horrible radiation poisoning got it loving raw, but so did the people of China- who the common populace of Japan cheered on the mass murder of by Japanese troops and treated war crimes like a fun event to report in the sunday paper.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Can I read the papers No I was a bad student and embarrassed by my uncritical regurgitation of speculation. And I dropped out almost 20 years ago
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Wasn't there also a coup attempt against the emperor to prevent the surrender that was thwarted in part by the blackout for another American bombing raid? I vaguely remember something like that from undergrad.
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They exported native Koreans, Vietnamese, and Chinese as slave labor and forced prostitutes, including sending them back to the home islands. Unlike Germany, Japan has gone hard core on revisionist history about their actions and position during World War 2. Soylent Pudding posted:Wasn't there also a coup attempt against the emperor to prevent the surrender that was thwarted in part by the blackout for another American bombing raid? I vaguely remember something like that from undergrad. Yup. Happened. They tried to burn the recordings of the Emperors speech as well to make sure they could justify it. Thankfully the coup achieved little. And while a lot of people point to Soviet invasion of Manchuria possibly being more impactful than the nuclear weapons, worth pointing out the Soviet were incapable of carrying out an amphibious invasion of Japan so at worst they'd wipe out a significant amount of Japanese Armies and take most of East Asia. Soviets were never a threat to the Japanese home islands other than putting pressure on dwindling military forces and resources Japan needed to defend against an Allied invasion. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Considering that there was a split in the Imperial cabinet after the first bomb and an attempt at a coup/armed uprising after the second bomb in order to purge members of the cabinet who wanted to surrender, which was only defused by the Emperor taking it into his own hands and making a radio broadcast declaring an unconditional surrender (who's going to deny the Emperor air time on the national airwaves after all?) there were definitely True Believers in Japanese High Command after the two bombings who were still absolutely convinced that they should have fought until the last Japanese civilian, bombs or no. Mass firebombing (which hadn't worked till this point, because bombing civilians rarely does), Operation Downfall (which would have taken months/years and cost millions of lives potentially, especially on the civilian side), or Atomic bombs, all options sucked, but the shock of the bombs did get the Emperor to directly intervene, overrule his own cabinet and declare a surrender which his own military command had to honor or overthrow the Emperor, and they chose not to overthrow the Emperor. IMO Atomic bombs probably sucked least of all three options.
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The Ukraine war, and the attitude of the Russian Public, has very much soured me on the concept of and hardened my hart against the idea of "No the average person are just victims of the government, they probably don't support the war." It wasn't true in WW1 for essentially anyone. It wasn't true in WW2, sure as gently caress not for the Japanese or Germans (Maybe Italians, loving SCOREBOARD Mussolini). It wasn't true in ZImbabwe when the White Colonialist State there got BTFO'd.
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Fivemarks posted:The Ukraine war, and the attitude of the Russian Public, has very much soured me on the concept of and hardened my hart against the idea of "No the average person are just victims of the government, they probably don't support the war." The Italians were definitely tired of Benito's poo poo well before Italy's capitulation. Hell, even his own party, the Fascists, were done with the project. Only the intervention of the Nazis and a few die hards keeps him in power as a puppet ruler.
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orange juche posted:Mass firebombing (which hadn't worked till this point, because bombing civilians rarely does), Operation Downfall (which would have taken months/years and cost millions of lives potentially, especially on the civilian side), or Atomic bombs, all options sucked Not to mention Operation Starvation, which was having great success in its titular aim in August of 1945.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Legal Eagle dropped a video on the latest indictment and made the interesting point that belief and intent mean jack poo poo to these charges. They are purely about what actions were taken and who was involved and what was said. Which, well, it doesn't bode well for Trump. Meant to post this earlier, the Popehat podcast is quite good, but here's his write-up in the lens of media lying about the charges: https://popehat.substack.com/p/people-are-lying-to-you-about-the The short version is that it's all about the fraudulent slates of electors which proves the falsity/deceit required. Donnie's dumb brain's mental state isn't really important in the DOJ theory of the case, but they still think he could prove it was corrupt intent based on his statements and all the people telling him he was being a loving idiot until he started listening to kooks. Objecting to the counts on the Senate floor was inbounds (legal process), filing dumb lawsuits was inbounds (legal process), yelling about nonsense was inbounds (1st amendment), but the moment they decided to generate lies and bullshit to specifically deceive the Senate it all went out of bounds and grabbed everything else that flowed from it. The only two relevant cases close to this was in 1960, when there were three elector slates submitted due to timings of recounts in Hawaii genuinely loving with things. No intent to deceive or lies due to everything going fucky. In 2000, Gore stopped once the Supreme Court killed the lawsuits and that was that.
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More on the moron: https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1688287226990620672
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Unlocked link, no paywall New York Times: Trump Calls for Judge’s Recusal as His Lawyer Deems Effort to Overturn Election ‘Aspirational’ quote:“What President Trump didn’t do is direct Vice President Pence to do anything,” Mr. Lauro said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “He asked him in an aspirational way.”
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Arc Light posted:Unlocked link, no paywall "Your honor, my client's desire to rob a bank was only aspirational. Yes he was arrested in the lobby, in possession of an automatic firearm and, yes, while wearing a black mask. However, the fact that he was apprehended prior to yelling 'this is a stick up' means that his goals remained merely aspirational." Arrath fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Arrath posted:"Your honor, my client's desire to rob a bank was only aspirational. Yes he was arrested in the lobby, in possession of an automatic firearm and, yes, while wearing a black mask. However, the fact that he was arrested prior to yelling 'this is a stick up' means that his goals remained merely aspirational." wonder how else i can abuse the term "aspirational."
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Looking forward to the Trump affluenza defence. Maybe we’ll get the reverse Twinkie defence, where Trump’s consumption of vegetables in the weeks prior to the incident are submitted as evidence that he was not in his right state of mind.
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Platystemon posted:Looking forward to the Trump affluenza defence. Trump will murder his lawyers on live television before he lets them offer a diminished capacity defense
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Trump’s surviving lawyers, after witnessing the scene above: “We can work with that.”
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Don’t try to talk truth to fascists. They will spin it and the only thing you will gain is a headache.
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A.o.D. posted:The Italians were definitely tired of Benito's poo poo well before Italy's capitulation. Hell, even his own party, the Fascists, were done with the project. Only the intervention of the Nazis and a few die hards keeps him in power as a puppet ruler. TBF, Benito and the Italians probably contributed to Hiler's downfall more than some allied states.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-66421422quote:At least 57 people fell ill with diarrhoea and vomiting after a World Triathlon Championship Series event in Sunderland, health chiefs confirmed. The big benefit of brexit, you see, is that you can just dump sewage directly into the water
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armpit_enjoyer posted:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-66421422 uh WELL ACTUALLY you cant gammon floats
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armpit_enjoyer posted:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-66421422 
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armpit_enjoyer posted:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-66421422 Why the gently caress would you test the water outside the swim area?
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Grip it and rip it posted:Why the gently caress would you test the water outside the swim area? You do that because you know the swim area will fail, so you roll the dice with an area you think will pass.
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