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Endorph posted:itll probably keep making the same amount of money (more than it ever has before) but theyve lost a ton of their fan passion and support. thatll probably build back up some over time but itll be a different kind than it used to have. the transition to just another gacha company is complete. my prediction is that PM gets bought out by Devsisters and becomes another Cookie Run where you get 15 banner ads when you boot up the game
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MetaMeme posted:my prediction is that PM gets bought out by Devsisters and becomes another Cookie Run where you get 15 banner ads when you boot up the game
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Endorph posted:itll probably keep making the same amount of money (more than it ever has before) but theyve lost a ton of their fan passion and support. thatll probably build back up some over time but itll be a different kind than it used to have. the transition to just another gacha company is complete. in retrospect, when they announced they were making limbus company so they could fund larger games i guess this all was part and parcel with it
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Venuz Patrol posted:in retrospect, when they announced they were making limbus company so they could fund larger games i guess this all was part and parcel with it "You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. Unless you're Toby Fox."
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Quackles posted:"You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. Unless you're Toby Fox." thank you for not couching this in cringe-rear end game terms at least. a better world IS possible
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Venuz Patrol posted:in retrospect, when they announced they were making limbus company so they could fund larger games i guess this all was part and parcel with it “We at Project Moon are excited to announce we’ve created the Torment Nexus, from the hit indie game “Don’t Create the Torment Nexus”
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YES bread posted:thank you for not couching this in cringe-rear end game terms at least. a better world IS possible It's only cringe if you consider it to be cringe
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Venuz Patrol posted:in retrospect, when they announced they were making limbus company so they could fund larger games i guess this all was part and parcel with it imo none of this really seems to be financially motivated since as we've seen incels are definitely not their biggest demographic, it's just cowardice though the gacha money lets that cowardice be bigger and more expensive. luxury cowardice. e: next time the incels start sending threats about rodion making the ok sign or whatever PM HQ will open up and a solid gold rocket will emerge and blast jihoon to mars Yinlock fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Aug 4, 2023 |
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YES bread posted:i am going to roll, god bless v. brave
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Yinlock posted:gregor has one 000. are you sure you don't mean Ishmael or Meursault who have 3 each Yeah it was mostly for  / a chance to put Quixote Cube back into the world, although I did see somebody griping about the GENERAL amount of attention Gregor gets as a character. Somewhere in-between those two points I went `oh yeah that's a good one`.
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Ariamaki posted:Yeah it was mostly for I was talking with a friend about like, the stuff that's unsettling about the G Corp stuff to me isn't even really the buginess - I think insects are pretty interesting in general, even if a lot of them I wouldn't want on me, and there's a lot of traits of insect biology I could see why you'd want to try to mod into a human base. But then you get the fact kids were being recruited/forced into it, the general lack of control people have over their augmentations, the horrors of war, the alienation from society after, and how that plays into a theme of the alienation Gregor feels from his own body. It's good stuff!
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...did anyone else know we could right click a units status' effects to get a detailed breakdown of the ones on that unit? bonking my form empties is a bit of an odd time to learn that's a thing, but eh 
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Arcanuse posted:...did anyone else know we could right click a units status' effects to get a detailed breakdown of the ones on that unit? I think they talked about it once in Canto 1, and to be fair, most Abnormalities can be defeated by punching them in the face, with My Form Empties being the main exception. It's also the only place where you can read the Abnormality Logs too.
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PetraCore posted:[...] and how that plays into a theme of the alienation Gregor feels from his own body. It's good stuff! i might be a little stupid but could that be linked to a form of dysphoria?
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L.U.I.G.I posted:i might be a little stupid but could that be linked to a form of dysphoria? Uuuuh basically I feel like the thing with Gregor's alterations is that, even though he got the 'best case scenario', it ends up externalizing a lot of internal pressures, as well as creating new pressures both as a thing that sets him apart from civilians that they can express disgust at and as a thing that sets him apart from other G Corp soldiers because he was upheld as the perfect poster boy that experiences no difficulties, and every G Corp veteran has experienced such major difficulties post-war that Gregor makes a convenient target for their pain. He's alienated from everyone. I haven't actually read Kafka's The Metamorphosis (yet), but as far as I know the thing about Gregor Samsa waking up and finding himself turned into a horrible vermin (never fully described) is that it's ultimately a tragedy about social alienation and pressures that are then externalized and made worse by a dramatic physical change in circumstances, where Gregor Samsa starts out unhappy with the grind of his job but can't consider doing anything else because he's the only person in his family (father, mother, little sister) that works, and then after he's transformed and can't work they all get jobs and not only do just fine without him but find him to be a burden that they're ultimately relieved to be rid of, while the only person that can bear to interact with him and treat him with sympathy is unrelated to him and didn't even know him beforehand. Like, I can't say much more bc like I said, I haven't actually read it myself, but... there's a lot going on there beyond just the physical metamorphosis and how it impacts Gregor's life (badly!). So Gregor in Limbus Company isn't just alienated by his body, but by the fact he fought on the losing side of a horrific war that's still in people's memories, and the assumptions people make about him because of that despite the fact that he was coerced into joining the war after being experimented on and trained as a literal child. And because his mutation is so mentally linked, it's also really impossible to say how it would be manifesting and how he would feel about it if it wasn't linked to an extremely traumatic period in his life and then used as an excuse to other him. How dysphoric would he be about his arm if it had truly been his choice, and if he hadn't had to learn to use it to kill, and if people didn't use it to discriminate against him? I don't know and neither does Gregor, because he doesn't get to experience that life. EDIT: Like people do pretty extreme things to their bodies in the City, including fully replacing everything but the brain, and some of those people are actually happy with the results. But there's no agency in what happened to Gregor, it was done to him, it's not something he had done.
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PetraCore posted:Well, probably, except in this specific case it's the dysphoria of having an arm that's a bug arm and also his body keeps warping if he's stressed and sometimes it does stuff without his input like threaten a perfectly nice civilian lady because his body honed its instincts in a literal war so I'm pretty sure his 'bug brain' has ptsd too and was treating that person as a life-or-death threat. i don't think he was ever upheld as the shining poster boy, I mean he was probably intended to be but I think he deserted at some point. IIRC we don't really know many specifics besides that whatever weird bugman brainwashing they did to him didn't quite take properly. A lot of the chapter is pretty vague on his backstory. You're dead on about him being alienated from everyone though. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Aug 6, 2023 |
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Yinlock posted:i don't think he was ever upheld as the shining poster boy, I mean he was probably intended to be but I think he deserted at some point. IIRC we don't really know many specifics besides that whatever weird bugman brainwashing they did to him didn't quite take properly. A lot of the chapter is pretty vague. I'm not sure if Gregor deserted or just kept his head down and lived out the war, but that scene at least implied to me that his image was being used to push the idea of the perfect supersoldier all the way up until the end of the war, and that the beef the rest of the G Corp vets have with him isn't actually desertion from the war, but what they perceive as desertion from the consequences of the war because he can blend in a lot easier (even though he can't blend in at all, since his arm regrows). Him being a late-war deserter would also fit, though, especially since all the images of his past are filtered through the effects of the Golden Bough and thus rely a lot on his feelings rather than an actual perfect recreation of events. EDIT: The fact every single G Corp veteran knows his name and face and some mention having looked up to him at one point implies to me he was actually used as the perfect propaganda poster boy. He does explicitly get called a deserter, but it's by the leader of a group of veterans who considers the war to not be over because he and his subordinates are left physically unable to leave the war behind and re-integrate into society, so I interpreted that as calling him a deserter because he was working with Limbus Company and not supporting his fellow veterans. 'Looking down on them', even though he doesn't look down on the struggles the other G Corp vets face at all, just their response to the struggles. This is 100% just my interpretation as someone who played through the Canto for the first time just a couple weeks ago, and it's entirely possible he actually deserted at some point and the rumors got out, or that there were rumors of him deserting and he didn't, or whatever. It's pretty ambiguous. SECOND EDIT: One of G Corp Outis' voice lines for talking to her on the main screen actually clarifies this. It's her first chatter line, I grabbed it from the wiki. quote:I never quite expected to meet the man here—our wartime hero who had vanished as soon as the war was over… PetraCore fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Aug 6, 2023 |
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PetraCore posted:SECOND EDIT: One of G Corp Outis' voice lines for talking to her on the main screen actually clarifies this. It's her first chatter line, I grabbed it from the wiki. That might've been G Gregor, though it's hard to tell if the Saluting Soldier Man that ID is based off of was an actual person or an allegory for Gregor's fears of what he would've become if he stuck around till the end I read him as a deserter still, the scene where he becomes coginizant of what the "apples" actually were represents his realization that it was all bullshit and the war he was fighting had no point. He also doesn't seem quite as broken as the other veterans, either physically or mentally. He's got scars but he's trying to live rather than just survive e: i mean the bugification thing as a whole is about how soldiering is all about twisting people into monsters then throwing them away to die quietly when their usefulness is over. Gregor left out of disgust so he's ultimately more human than bug, though the bug part still takes a very real toll on his life that he will never escape e2: this is all imo of course Yinlock fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Aug 6, 2023 |
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Yinlock posted:That might've been G Gregor, though it's hard to tell if the Saluting Soldier Man that ID is based off of was an actual person or an allegory for Gregor's fears of what he would've become if he stuck around till the end Me and my friend were debating if Hermann is actually Gregor's birth mother or even adoptive mother or if she just claims him as her son bc his experiment was the most successful and the conclusion we came to was that from what little we know of her she'd absolutely not slow down at doing stuff like that to a child she raised but also she kind of seems like the kind of person that'd sweep a bunch of kids off the street and experiment on all of them and decide the most successful one was her kid, and either way he's left with her legacy indelibly etched in his body in a way he can't scrub out.
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The impression I got is that Gregor in the main timeline deserted sometime at the middle to end of the war, which is why he's treated as a Traitor, he was the poster boy of G Corp's Gene therapy insect soldiers, so they all blame him for convincing them to join. But Gregor is as much a victim as they are, he never chose to be on the posters etc. In the G Corp Timeline for those two Identities, Gregor is a full on War Hero. He wasn't just on the posters, he was on the frontline using his "perfected" gene therapy to fight side by side. He disappeared not because he left G Corp, but because he had become incapable of anything but violence. So when the war ended he either became Hermann's personal super soldier, or completely fell into the backstreets as another one of its many human horror stories like a bug powered Rambo. For what it is worth, Outis is meant to be the bug headed G Corp Veteran mini-boss, and Gregor is partially the friendly G Corp Soldier we primarily interacted with during the dungeon. The blonde whose name is escaping me. Much like N Corp Meursault has some of Guido's stuff going on, changed by it still being Meursault going through that life.
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Yeah, G Corp Gregor is... kinda weird because of the fact that he's fused with the friendly G Corp Soldier. The most notable example in all of that is that this world's version of Gregor apparently had the option of going to war. The Chatter #2 line remarks about how he "made up his mind" (to participate in the war) when he got the "opportunity" to get the procedure, which seems... A bit off from what we know of Gregor in the main timeline, where he was basically forced to have the procedure done, and then forcibly molded until he had trouble seeing people as anything but apples, which... G Corp Gregor doesn't seem to have, as indicated by the fact that his Story scenelet is about him forcibly shutting down his emotions to deal with the horrors of war.
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Anyone else notice that Demian's weird behavior mirrors and expands on a lot of stuff Enoch did? Who wants to bet Enoch had the Sign too and was also drawn to the Outskirts because of it instead of being orphaned/abandoned like Lisa? EDIT: unfortunately Enoch couldn't rip a giant distorted woman in half without even touching her, nor could he fly. Feels like the pre-Lob Corp timeline would have been pretty different if he could.
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PetraCore posted:Anyone else notice that Demian's weird behavior mirrors and expands on a lot of stuff Enoch did? Who wants to bet Enoch had the Sign too and was also drawn to the Outskirts because of it instead of being orphaned/abandoned like Lisa?
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GilliamYaeger posted:I just think they're outright the same person.
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https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1688418536887377920 drat i wonder why
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They could always hire some new artists... Wait, that might be difficult? Huh, I wonder why.
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It's also hitting the refraction railway so uh. I wonder how many people quit because they found out that PM will not have your back. It was a nice run while it lasted.
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PlasticAutomaton posted:It's also hitting the refraction railway so uh. I wonder how many people quit because they found out that PM will not have your back. It was a nice run while it lasted. Refraction Railway included new art assets last time, the delay could still be just art based. Off the top of my head Crying Toad, Tour Guide Robot and My Form Empties were all brand new to Refraction Railway 1.
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It could also be largely just... this was a BIG disruptive change-up, regardless of whether 1 person got thrown out or if X more left afterwards. The past two weeks could not have been very productive in general apart from just trying to bounce back and figure out how to go forward from it.Lord_Magmar posted:Refraction Railway included new art assets last time, the delay could still be just art based. Off the top of my head Crying Toad, Tour Guide Robot and My Form Empties were all brand new to Refraction Railway 1. I also believe many of the actual fight backgrounds were new to that update.
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PlasticAutomaton posted:It's also hitting the refraction railway so uh. I wonder how many people quit because they found out that PM will not have your back. It was a nice run while it lasted. 0, given the evidence we have which is nothing at all Lord_Magmar posted:Refraction Railway included new art assets last time, the delay could still be just art based. Off the top of my head Crying Toad, Tour Guide Robot and My Form Empties were all brand new to Refraction Railway 1. I don't think vellmori did the enemy or background art though. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Lt. Lizard posted:PM being PM, it is entirely possible that the delay would have happened even without the whole debacle with vellmori. jihoon might've saw his own shadow and locked himself in his office out of fear and the employees must now spend weeks coaxing him back out
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yeah I was kinda expecting a revised roadmap well before this shitshow, if they had a rash of solidarity quits I think Canto V would get pushed back further than a month. the real tell will be if they throw up half a dozen job postings out of the blue
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  our shiny Zwei IDs, they're definitely a big step up from the standard dogshit Zwei fare but they seem like kind of a mess using Defense Level Up as a resource is an interesting strategy but DLU only ever lasts for one turn which limits it(which is probably why they gain so much). Though DLU also has the useful passive effect of mitigating damage so who knows e: oh of course Gregor is a Slash ID because we're apparently not allowed to have an offensive one anymore. his skills are great for his EGO though Yinlock fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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the reality is project moon is always extremely bad at project management so the velmori thing is more a 'this is not helping' than a silver bullet but it is very funny
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Arcanuse posted:think these zwei will be nice benchwarmers, depending on support passive requirements. They're both good tank support passives but have entirely unrelated flaws, being that Gregor's requires going without G Gregor's healing and Faust's means no Fluid Sac. How bad these "flaws" are mostly depends on what content you're playing though Yinlock fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Yinlock posted:They're both good tank support passives but have entirely unrelated flaws, being that Gregor's requires going without G Gregor's healing and Faust's means no Fluid Sac Side note, just like LobCorp Faust, this new Zwei Faust fuels Fluid Sac perfectly because it's Envy/Gloom/Lust-heck it's a little better than LobCorp Faust because Fluid Sac requires more Envy than Lust, and so the S1 being the Envy means she generates more of it.
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