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Shaman Tank Spec posted:The MMA match has an average score of 3,36/10 on Cagematch, which I didn't think was even possible for WWE matches. Just how unspeakably awful was it to break into the Forbidden Numbers? It was loving terrible. No idea what they were trying to accomplish with that.
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Intruder posted:they learned the wrong lesson from brawl for all I feel like every facet of WWE booking can be boiled down to "They learned the wrong lesson from _____"
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Intruder posted:they learned the wrong lesson from brawl for all Aside from "don't do this", what is the right lesson from brawl for all?
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Aug 7, 2023 07:27
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Don't gently caress with Butterbean
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forkboy84 posted:Aside from "don't do this", what is the right lesson from brawl for all? That’s it The immediate reaction to it from even fans then was “oh this poo poo Sucks”. That wasn’t a fluke, they need to quit thinking it is
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forkboy84 posted:Aside from "don't do this", what is the right lesson from brawl for all? that was the lesson
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Codependent Poster posted:It was loving terrible. No idea what they were trying to accomplish with that. thought this was about brock lesnar's dick
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Miching Mallecho posted:Can't wait for the Jimmy vs Jey match and the one who wins is the one to lose to Roman at...I don't know, the event after payback, hell in a cell? its so great that the go-to story beat for this has been "hey let's have an uso fight Roman reigns" as if anyone in the entire world believes for a second that an uso is gonna beat Roman reigns for real, so there's no tension just the inevitable, and it takes two episodes of TV worth of time to get there
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yea ok posted:Don't gently caress with Butterbean thought this was about brock lesnar's dick
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Cody will lose at WM40 because it's time to give the rub to LA Knight... who will lose at Summerslam because it's time to give the rub to someone else
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i know you post on a massive delay but Summerslam was two days ago and LA knight won
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Do we know what the LA stands for
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I've never really watched modern wrestling, but I watched the first match of summerslam between Jake Paul the Maverick and Ricochet. Is all of modern wrestling like this? There wasn't a lot of submission holding, chops, or stomps. It would be hiptoss then mug at the camera for 10 seconds. Not even a lot of crowd work.
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Mr Hootington posted:I've never really watched modern wrestling, but I watched the first match of summerslam between Jake Paul the Maverick and Ricochet. Is all of modern wrestling like this? There wasn't a lot of submission holding, chops, or stomps. It would be hiptoss then mug at the camera for 10 seconds. Not even a lot of crowd work. It varies greatly by promotion and wrestler, but what you described is very much the WWE house style. They force most of their wrestlers to work that way.
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wwe, in particular, has almost a grudge against highlighting wrestling as part of their whole deal and frequently treats it as the least important thing on the show. it might be representative of what 'mainstream modern US wrestling' has been for the last decade or two, but there's a lot more to what's happening with modern wrestling around the world. even in the US there's been a renaissance with AEW, which is pretty much the first significant competitor WWE/F has had since WCW was a thing and showcases a variety of modern wrestling styles on the regular if you want people to throw links at you at stuff to check out i'd head over to the general wrestling question thread for overall suggestions + the pinned AEW primer thread for stuff about that promotion specifically (or the current AEW discussion thread)
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I’ve never really eaten food, but I ate an old McDonald’s burger out of a dumpster. Is all of modern food like this?
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Mr Hootington posted:I've never really watched modern wrestling, but I watched the first match of summerslam between Jake Paul the Maverick and Ricochet. Is all of modern wrestling like this? There wasn't a lot of submission holding, chops, or stomps. It would be hiptoss then mug at the camera for 10 seconds. Not even a lot of crowd work. I didn't watch that match or even much of the build but from my understanding their goal was to make gifs more than anything. The feud was mostly based on the two of them jumping into each other at the Royal Rumble, you can find the spot if you search it on youtube. In a more macro sense, modern wrestling is a lot more about high spots but you can definitely find wrestlers who specialize in the stuff you're talking about in mainstream promotions. I'm not gonna do the cliche bit where I just instantly recommend AEW to you and instead first I'm going to ask 1) Who are some of your favorite wrestlers and matches? And 2) Do you even want some examples of that kind of stuff in modern wrestling or were you just curious?
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Logan Paul and Ricochet are guys who do big moves and not much else. Later in the show there was a match with submissions and chops between Drew and Gunther. Gunther's matches are different than most WWE matches though.
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Gunther (as WALTER) VS druganov was an amazing match that was extremely hard hitting and old-school with minimal mugging for the camera, just an insanely good knock down drag out fight.
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is pepsi ok posted:It varies greatly by promotion and wrestler, but what you described is very much the WWE house style. They force most of their wrestlers to work that way. Ok. That is a shame. flatluigi posted:wwe, in particular, has almost a grudge against highlighting wrestling as part of their whole deal and frequently treats it as the least important thing on the show. it might be representative of what 'mainstream modern US wrestling' has been for the last decade or two, but there's a lot more to what's happening with modern wrestling around the world. even in the US there's been a renaissance with AEW, which is pretty much the first significant competitor WWE/F has had since WCW was a thing and showcases a variety of modern wrestling styles on the regular I've looked at AEW before when people recommend it, but I balk at having to purchase another subscription. MJeff posted:I'm not gonna do the cliche bit where I just instantly recommend AEW to you and instead first I'm going to ask 1) Who are some of your favorite wrestlers and matches? And 2) Do you even want some examples of that kind of stuff in modern wrestling or were you just curious? I've only watched 3 full years of wrestling 1985-1987 NWA. I have seen some clips of later stuff running into the attitude era and some John Cena or randy Orton. Again just clips. My favs would be guys or matches from the JCP NWA era at the moment since that is all I've watched. I have been posting about all this in the wcw history thread since it seemed the most appropriate. I was more just curious about what modern wrestling was like compared to that old stuff I've been watching. They are completely different and I don't know if I like it. Maybe as I watch more and approach the modern era it will grow on me. I just couldn't believe the ring even sounded different.
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Mr Hootington posted:Ok. That is a shame. Honestly, modern wrestling is all over the place (although it always has been. Go from watching JCP to the same week's WWF TV & instantly feel bad). WWE is very...WWE. The old rapist in charge is deeply embarrassed to be in the wrestling business, despite it having made him grotesquely wealthy, so that plays into a lot of it. It's very much not old school wrasslin', Vince McMahon loathes wrasslin'. AEW meanwhile is very much the opposite, Tony Khan is a wrestling nerd who used to post on the Death Valley Driver forums, which was/is a very nerdy place for talking about wrestling, he adores early '80s Mid South/UWF & ECW & Japanese stuff he'd watch on tapes & so on. So while it's very much a contemporary product, there's I think more elements that would feel familiar in the structure of the programming. Somewhat. Obviously it's 35+ years later & the industry is wildly different, in the '80s the house show business was where the money was & TV was about getting fans to go to the arenas, then gradually it became a PPV business & weekly TV through the '90s is about getting you to buy the PPVs, especially once they go monthly. And now all the money is in the TV rights themselves, so you get many more big matches on television than you would expect to see on TBS at 6:05pm in 1988. And then the US indies are all their own thing, closer stylistically to AEW generally but usually rougher round the edges & often different because it's not made for TV so the format is different. And there's wrestling from other countries, often with their own feel & way of doing things like in Mexico & Japan. If you want an actual grasp of the best of in-ring action from 2023, we've got the 2023's Best and Worst Pro-Wrestling Matches of the Year thread where people post their recommendations. Sometimes including links to view the match on Russian or Chinese social media sites because god bless their lack of interest in copyright law. I'd also add that every single episode of AEW TV is up on archive.org if that's something you want to try out at some point. Not the Pay Per Views, but they are up on VKontakte I'll link directly to my own post from the start of July which has my top 10 matches of the year to date, all with timestamped links. It's all from Japan because that's what I watch at the moment but hey, it's a starting point
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forkboy84 posted:Honestly, modern wrestling is all over the place (although it always has been. Go from watching JCP to the same week's WWF TV & instantly feel bad). WWE is very...WWE. The old rapist in charge is deeply embarrassed to be in the wrestling business, despite it having made him grotesquely wealthy, so that plays into a lot of it. It's very much not old school wrasslin', Vince McMahon loathes wrasslin'. AEW meanwhile is very much the opposite, Tony Khan is a wrestling nerd who used to post on the Death Valley Driver forums, which was/is a very nerdy place for talking about wrestling, he adores early '80s Mid South/UWF & ECW & Japanese stuff he'd watch on tapes & so on. So while it's very much a contemporary product, there's I think more elements that would feel familiar in the structure of the programming. Somewhat. Obviously it's 35+ years later & the industry is wildly different, in the '80s the house show business was where the money was & TV was about getting fans to go to the arenas, then gradually it became a PPV business & weekly TV through the '90s is about getting you to buy the PPVs, especially once they go monthly. And now all the money is in the TV rights themselves, so you get many more big matches on television than you would expect to see on TBS at 6:05pm in 1988. Thanks for the informative post. I'm always interested in spoiler free behind the scenes stuff. I will check out archive.org for aew stuff. Had no idea everything was on there and that really peaked my interest. Really appreciate that tip a lot.
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Loved that Cody and Brock feud. Can’t think of a guy who got put over by Brock as much, even Roman didn’t go three matches in a row and win 2 of them, and no one has gotten his hand raised by arguably the most dominantly booked guy of the modern era. Pinned him clean too, I can ride on this high for a month.
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Mr Hootington posted:Ok. That is a shame. If you want some guidance on the quality stuff that you might have missed in the decades between NWA and now, and why it's influential/good, I can't recommend enough Joseph Monticello's channel on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@JosephMontecilloYT/videos
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History Comes Inside! posted:Do we know what the LA stands for It's La, as in the French word, they just keep capitalizing the A because otherwise Vince will confuse him with La Résistance
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I'd say that with modern wrestling you get a lot of different styles of matches, not only between companies but inside them as well. Most WWE matches have the same feeling or formula, but there are exceptions. And depending on the wrestlers involved, they can elevate the material. So I'd say to look out for wrestlers you like who might fit with the style you prefer. They could be on WWE or AEW or wherever.
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JUNGLE BOY posted:WWE proved short form content was worthless when Tout was not the success it should have been https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7G4izIc9XQ
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