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Dr. Eldarion
Mar 21, 2001

Deal Dispatcher

Name Change posted:

how to optimize that sweet spot of DPS and survivability.

I feel like this is a hard balance to hit, just because the allure of ALL DAMAGE ALL THE TIME is so strong.

Like I was able to roll some chest armor with 4 different useful +damage affixes and nothing defensive and immediately switched without a thought. Guess I'm just more fragile now! (if anything survives)

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crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

EC posted:

We hit 60 and decided to the capstone and basically walked through Elias. Then WT4 proceeded to completely murder us. Can't decide if I should try to stick it out and hopefully get better gear (WT3 hasn't dropped real upgrades for us in awhile) or knock the difficulty down to finish renown in between doing nightmare dungeons.

your best options are:
-do WT3 helltides, ride to the mystery chest and switch to WT4 to open.
-leach off WT4 legion events
-leach off WT4 world bosses

you can farm WT4 strongholds for XP but they can't drop sacreds or ancestrals.

Substandard
Oct 16, 2007

3rd street for life

mentalcontempt posted:

Got into Tier III and my Flurry / Poison build is feeling anemic. Am I stuck doing TB? I don’t really enjoy the play style, although the death trap version might be more fun. Tried switching to a Barrage build and couldn’t survive.

I'm running flurry and shadow with the heart that applies all your imbuements and it's extremely good in WT4 although I'm only in my 70s running NM 30ish stuff right now.

I don't know how high it can push, but it can melt +10 dungeons into WT4 at least

harrygomm
Oct 19, 2004

can u run n jump?
alright i got T100 at 98. still not getting the procs i need to push lillith down in P1 quickly enough though

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1688398144260718593

harrygomm
Oct 19, 2004

can u run n jump?
oh uh, time to pack it up

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
remember when he was into elden ring and his character was a fatrolling dude with a normal katana and all his points in int

Jaytan
Dec 14, 2003

Childhood enlistment means fewer birthdays to remember

Dr. Eldarion posted:

I feel like this is a hard balance to hit, just because the allure of ALL DAMAGE ALL THE TIME is so strong.

Like I was able to roll some chest armor with 4 different useful +damage affixes and nothing defensive and immediately switched without a thought. Guess I'm just more fragile now! (if anything survives)

Fwiw as you get further along the paragon board damage affixes on chest armor are increasingly a noob trap/indicator of how bad this game communicates what anything does. Having +1230% damage instead of +1200% is a lot less impactful than having 50% damage reduction instead of 30%.

It’s part of why the itemization is bad in the end game: every build wants the same stuff from items because most damage affixes are additive with each other and there’s a lot of them available on the paragon boards. Meanwhile while there aren’t nearly as many damage reduction options. Losing 1/3 of one’s potential effective HP to do 3% more damage is not a trade off anyone would choose to make if they understood that’s what was happening.

Realistically the only damage affix you should consider on chest armor/pants for late game is +skill ranks to your primary damage dealer. Everything else is going to have a very small impact once your paragon board is half filled out.

Jaytan fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Aug 7, 2023

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

mentalcontempt posted:

I tried looking this up but didn’t find many links… would you happen to have one? Thanks.

This is what I’m using

https://app.mobalytics.gg/diablo-4/builds/rogue/poison-tank?q_tab=skills

GokuGoesSSj69
Apr 15, 2017
Weak people spend 10 dollars to gift titles about world leaders they dislike. The strong spend 10 dollars to gift titles telling everyone to play Deus Ex again

Shrimp or Shrimps posted:

I'm a flurry rapid fire rogue and barber definitely speeds up mob killing and elites, but for bosses I switch out to the imbue one because I want my lucky hit procs to keep vuln, energy regen via rapid fire, and self heal up.

On another note, leveling up an alt druid has been surprisingly breezy. The first 25 levels or so were boring and slow, but then I started imprinting, enchanting, and upgrading everything because I don't have to worry about resources, and 25 to 45 have just blown by and this pulverize build is singing. Gonna try the capstone though I've found single target damage to be weak.

Umbral + quicksand aspects is when pulverize really takes off. I'm a werewolf throwing tornados with a barber heart now though. Eat that several million damage Varshan.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
is barber still considered the best option for infimist necro? ive seen much smarter players than me say it still is best in slot despite the counter synergies but the damage over time wrathful is super powerful when you get the lidless well into the build. ive been trying to get a rogue to 60 to get a few exploit barbers before the patch to experiment with just because my luck has been awful trying to farm them without it but im not even sure its worth it

e: I'm starting to get annoyed at this weird nightmare dungeon bug where the glyph pedestal doesn't appear. Its happened a few times today and it doesn't seem like I get the item drops either? I really hope they fix this

Jezza of OZPOS fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Aug 7, 2023

GokuGoesSSj69
Apr 15, 2017
Weak people spend 10 dollars to gift titles about world leaders they dislike. The strong spend 10 dollars to gift titles telling everyone to play Deus Ex again

Jezza of OZPOS posted:

is barber still considered the best option for infimist necro? ive seen much smarter players than me say it still is best in slot despite the counter synergies but the damage over time wrathful is super powerful when you get the lidless well into the build. ive been trying to get a rogue to 60 to get a few exploit barbers before the patch to experiment with just because my luck has been awful trying to farm them without it but im not even sure its worth it

e: I'm starting to get annoyed at this weird nightmare dungeon bug where the glyph pedestal doesn't appear. Its happened a few times today and it doesn't seem like I get the item drops either? I really hope they fix this

It's the best for anything unless it doesn't interact with a skill for weird reasons like the druid earthen might key passive. It's another (x) damage multiplier. I killed t4 varshan at 70 with a friend who was level 50 so he had more hp than normal and my friend did nothing, the last half of his life went down in a few seconds with several huge numbers.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

jesus I was already feeling bad for all the poo poo diablo devs are having heaped on them and then this

harrygomm
Oct 19, 2004

can u run n jump?
level 100. 5 level 21 glyphs. 6 level 15 glyphs. no wrathful invoker. no natural barber heart drops

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺

harrygomm posted:

level 100. 5 level 21 glyphs. 6 level 15 glyphs. no wrathful invoker. no natural barber heart drops

reading this is extremely cathartic for me like when i came into work in the liquour store with my arm in a sling for a minor fracture in my wrist from skateboarding and one of the old bastards i see every other day told me he has a head injury from falling off a skateboard without a helmet and he poo poo his pants in the ambulance. we share the same pain but you have it even worse than i do and i appreciate that

GokuGoesSSj69
Apr 15, 2017
Weak people spend 10 dollars to gift titles about world leaders they dislike. The strong spend 10 dollars to gift titles telling everyone to play Deus Ex again
I threw on my first barber then thought I should go get a backup and got it in I think the third tunnel from just a random spawn.

harrygomm
Oct 19, 2004

can u run n jump?
idgi. i have better gear than any bone spear necro i can find. i have the same spec and potions, use the same abilities, and stand in the same place and like. nothing. i can’t get uber below 50% in phase one. everyone else is barber glitching her ho down to like 5% with like 6 bone spear casts. skill issue i guess but i legitimately have no idea what’s going on

harrygomm
Oct 19, 2004

can u run n jump?
oh lmao there’s no skill or anything, just video editing. sometimes she blows up for 490 million damage, sometimes she takes 900K. very cool

The Little Kielbasa
Mar 29, 2001

and another thing: im not mad. please dont put in the newspaper that i got mad.

Herstory Begins Now posted:

jesus I was already feeling bad for all the poo poo diablo devs are having heaped on them and then this

My guess is that the median Blizzard developer worships Musk as a god.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


The Little Kielbasa posted:

My guess is that the median Blizzard developer worships Musk as a god.

That may have been the case before Musk developed a social media humiliation kink

coelomate
Oct 21, 2020


just over 24 hours left to exploit quest varshan for barbers. Got my Necro up to 51 and wt3, let’s see how this goes! From this thread seems like clvl 60 is required or at least makes the drop much more likely.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

coelomate posted:

just over 24 hours left to exploit quest varshan for barbers. Got my Necro up to 51 and wt3, let’s see how this goes! From this thread seems like clvl 60 is required or at least makes the drop much more likely.

what's the exploit? I haven't been following online poo poo too much.

That said, I'm also only lvl 54 so . . . womp womp

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Cyrano4747 posted:

what's the exploit? I haven't been following online poo poo too much.

That said, I'm also only lvl 54 so . . . womp womp

-kill varshan in the course of the quest
-loot the guaranteed wrathful heart
-reset dungeon
-repeat

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

coelomate posted:

just over 24 hours left to exploit quest varshan for barbers. Got my Necro up to 51 and wt3, let’s see how this goes! From this thread seems like clvl 60 is required or at least makes the drop much more likely.

Was it in the patch notes or are we just assuming it's going to be changed ?

flashman
Dec 16, 2003

Imagine nerfing and buffing skills by 3 percent "for balance" and then putting the barber in the game lol nothing about this development team makes any sense.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺

flashman posted:

Imagine nerfing and buffing skills by 3 percent "for balance" and then putting the barber in the game lol nothing about this development team makes any sense.

if theres anything i learned from playing hearthstone its that the best way to make sure a game is balanced is to give every class insanely overpowered neutral things so that nothing specific is actually strong

coelomate
Oct 21, 2020


Tarnop posted:

Was it in the patch notes or are we just assuming it's going to be changed ?

Notes say: "Fixed an issue where players could repeatedly fight Varshan during the final Seasonal quest by resetting the Dungeon where he spawns."

Kaysette
Jan 5, 2009

~*Boston makes me*~
~*feel good*~

:wrongcity:
i went back to my bone spear necro on eternal last night for a goof. i think i actually like infinimist more now. i forgot how squishy i was and how annoying suppressors are. blood misting around while everything slowly chokes to death is way more chill.

i might mix it up and try that echohack speedy mist build with the blood golem and bone prison.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you

The Little Kielbasa posted:

My guess is that the median Blizzard developer worships Musk as a god.

You'd be surprised

flashman
Dec 16, 2003

Jezza of OZPOS posted:

if theres anything i learned from playing hearthstone its that the best way to make sure a game is balanced is to give every class insanely overpowered neutral things so that nothing specific is actually strong

Shaking with trepidation as I buff the mana regen from flame skills aspect, nonchalantly adding 1000% damage on a jewel

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."



Kiss of death.

Dr. Eldarion
Mar 21, 2001

Deal Dispatcher

Jaytan posted:

Fwiw as you get further along the paragon board damage affixes on chest armor are increasingly a noob trap/indicator of how bad this game communicates what anything does. Having +1230% damage instead of +1200% is a lot less impactful than having 50% damage reduction instead of 30%.

It’s part of why the itemization is bad in the end game: every build wants the same stuff from items because most damage affixes are additive with each other and there’s a lot of them available on the paragon boards. Meanwhile while there aren’t nearly as many damage reduction options. Losing 1/3 of one’s potential effective HP to do 3% more damage is not a trade off anyone would choose to make if they understood that’s what was happening.

Realistically the only damage affix you should consider on chest armor/pants for late game is +skill ranks to your primary damage dealer. Everything else is going to have a very small impact once your paragon board is half filled out.

Good to know, thanks! I did keep my old chest around in case the new one didn't work out. Since I'm primarily ranged I'm still surviving pretty well (some good DR pants are likely helping here), but I imagine that will change as I level higher and higher. (78 now)

E: The fact that I kill most things while they're off screen helps a lot, I'm sure.

Dr. Eldarion fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Aug 7, 2023

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

coelomate posted:

Notes say: "Fixed an issue where players could repeatedly fight Varshan during the final Seasonal quest by resetting the Dungeon where he spawns."

poo poo. I wanted to play BG3 today, oh well back to the barber mines

Doomykins
Jun 28, 2008

Didn't you mean to ask about flowers?

Jezza of OZPOS posted:

if theres anything i learned from playing hearthstone its that the best way to make sure a game is balanced is to give every class insanely overpowered neutral things so that nothing specific is actually strong

If there's anything I learned from playing hearthstone it's that Blizzard will put something in the game that is visibly overpowered the first time you play it and then ride that poo poo out for 6 months to "gather data."

"So we want to very carefully balance classes, and then there's a casino heart that plays the game for you."
"Ship it."

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010
The simplest explanation is there's a bunch of teams working on stuff and they don't have time to talk to each other.

E.g. the team that worked on The Butcher is not the one that worked on corpse bows. That's why I'm 6/6 killing butcher at NM60 but a corpse bow one shots me every fuckin' time.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


I had the butcher show up 5 times yesterday during various NM dungeon runs. Went 3/5 with him. Fucker picks the worst god damned times to show up.

Sorbus
Apr 1, 2010
I am level 75 and haven’t seen Butcher in T4 yet.

I would stomp his red rear end and he knows it.

Substandard
Oct 16, 2007

3rd street for life
He showed up in 3 dungeons in a row for me yesterday at one point. It was nice because I changed gear between the first 2 and then changed back when I saw the performance against butcher was worse.

heated game moment
Oct 30, 2003

Lipstick Apathy
I did not get my druid up to 60 fast enough to do the Varshan farm but I am having fun taking a break from necro and working on my tornado build

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Fistful of Silence
Aug 22, 2003

Science fiction writers, I am sorry to say, really do not know anything. We can't talk about science, because our knowledge of it is limited and unofficial, and usually our fiction is dreadful.

Grimey Drawer
Thanks everyone for the Barber farming tip. Got five over the last two days with like 5 hours of farming and it was totally worth it. Bone spear just melts everything with it equipped at least in WT3

EDIT: Is it even worth using all the Varshan invokers I got from farming?

Fistful of Silence fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Aug 7, 2023

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