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Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Plutonis posted:

Le me supporting a right wing military putsch anti imperialistically like a baus


What makes this coup right wing? Is that any more right wing than being closely allied to the USA?


That's mostly all Nigeria.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/us-military-drone-missions-niger-halted/

Lol, no wonder the US has been putting so much pressure on them, they lost a base in Africa.

I've seen current reporting of 3, but as of a year or two ago it was 5 or 6.

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Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna
the party in power who the coup leader was affiliated with anyway was theoretically the leftist one but lol

this is really just kind of infighting between the songhai elite about foreign policy and trade (and personal ambitions), and the coup guys are firmly in the right on that front

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

PawParole posted:

Abyssinia is the dark orange region also known as Habeshas (ie. Amhara, Tigray,). The eastern, central, and southern regions of Ethiopia are Cushitic (ie. Somali, Oromo, Afar, Sidamo, etc). The western and southwestern regions belong to Nilotic Ethiopians.

Most of this territory was gained during or after the Scramble for Africa, when the Habeshas forcefully invaded, dominated and colonized the lands to the south, west, and east. It took the name “Ethiopia” from the biblical name for Sudan.



Wait, when was the British punitive expedition to Ethiopia? Weren't the Ethiopians bounded by the Red Sea as a British lake, the Sudan and Kenya?

I'm not doubting it, I'm just surprised that they were expanding, since the expedition to Abyssinia that destroyed Magdala made it sound very similar to Tibet. The accounts of it read like the expedition to Tibet too, in terms of geography, remoteness, resistance encountered etc. It seemed far flung and not particularly threatening.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 02:04 on Aug 8, 2023

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Zedhe Khoja posted:

the party in power who the coup leader was affiliated with anyway was theoretically the leftist one but lol

this is really just kind of infighting between the songhai elite about foreign policy and trade (and personal ambitions), and the coup guys are firmly in the right on that front

yeah barzoum's party was on the socialist internationale (granted so is the loving ANC lol)

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
tbf those parties really can't do anything because they came into power and were told that their economic transformation policies would have to be ditched.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Frosted Flake posted:

Wait, when was the British punitive expedition to Ethiopia? Weren't the Ethiopians bounded by the Red Sea as a British lake, the Sudan and Kenya?

I'm not doubting it, I'm just surprised that they were expanding, since the expedition to Abyssinia that destroyed Magdala made it sound very similar to Tibet. The accounts of it read like the expedition to Tibet too, in terms of geography, remoteness, resistance encountered etc. It seemed far flung and not particularly threatening.

that was under Emperor Theodorus,. Menelik (the founder of Ethiopia and but then the king of shewa ) used the weapons the British left him as payment to start expanding southwards.

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PawParole has issued a correction as of 02:26 on Aug 8, 2023

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Plutonis posted:

yeah barzoum's party was on the socialist internationale (granted so is the loving ANC lol)

ANC was left-wing in recent memory; the most egregious member is mexico's PRI

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


i say swears online posted:

ANC was left-wing in recent memory; the most egregious member is mexico's PRI

also in living memory, depending on how old you wanna benchmark off

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Isn't Guadio a member of the socialist internationale lol

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

really queer Christmas posted:

Isn't Guadio a member of the socialist internationale lol

yeah the national socialist internationale

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

madame secretary episode five the opening is that iran is continuing to do construction work on a heavy water site that looks indistinguishable from a walmart the chief negotiator in vienna suggests we bomb it since iran promised to stop doing construction on it

madame secretary wisely and sagely asks what iran was supposed to get in exchange for this and is told they were supposed to get aviation imports none of which theyve received yet madame secretary suggests we give them aviation imports in exchange for their stopping construction this is immediately criticized as appeasement and noone seems to notice that the sequence of events appears to imply that we simply never bothered to attempt to hold up our end of the original deal

im just noting with some irony that this whole plot was written years before the collapse of the real world iran deal for nearly identical reasons and that the hardline position in madame secretary (which to be clear isnt what prevails in the show) is actually an escalation over what trump did because it involved bombing raids

lol her argument for negotiating is literally they could get a bomb any day now been awhile since ive seen that trope and definitely not in the service of that particular argument

Some Guy TT has issued a correction as of 05:15 on Aug 8, 2023

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

PawParole posted:

that was under Emperor Theodorus,. Menelik (the founder of Ethiopia and but then the king of shewa ) used the weapons the British left him as payment to start expanding southwards.



I really should read up on this, it sounds interesting.

I support whichever group are the Orthodox Christians that inspired the story of Prester John, and whichever ones the Byzantines were in contact with, Christianizing Arabia before the advent of Islam as part of Red Sea politics.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
yeah that's what kinda sucks about these shows: they try to present the US as this peaceful, reasoned state that will come to the table, and that any extremist, militarist elements will get outfoxed by the smart guys before the balloon goes up, but what reality tells us is that it's the militarists that win pretty much all the time

like, the closest we've got to a Sum of All Fears scenario where a war-triggering strike is prevented at the last minute is Tucker Carlson calling up Donald Trump to tell him to stop the retaliation for Iran taking out a drone, and Trump not only listens, he cites the principle of a proportional response in doing so.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Do you seriously pay to read the NYT

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

Frosted Flake posted:

I really should read up on this, it sounds interesting.

I support whichever group are the Orthodox Christians that inspired the story of Prester John, and whichever ones the Byzantines were in contact with, Christianizing Arabia before the advent of Islam as part of Red Sea politics.

You should ask PawParole who the good guys were.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Does paw patrol have a creation of ethiopia episode? id watch

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

Menelik, played by Chase - the cop dog

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You should ask PawParole who the good guys were.

There are no such thing as good guys or bad guys. When the Shewans were in charge they looted the country, when the TPLF were in charge they looted the country, now PP is looting and burning down the country as well. Ultimately either the country splits up or less likely Arat Kilo learns to not rule by the gun.


Frosted Flake posted:

I really should read up on this, it sounds interesting.

I support whichever group are the Orthodox Christians that inspired the story of Prester John, and whichever ones the Byzantines were in contact with, Christianizing Arabia before the advent of Islam as part of Red Sea politics.

That’s very religiously chauvinistic of you, but that would be the Tigray-Tigrinya, before they split. also 1. John was basses on a Nestorian Mongol king, 2. Axum only controlled Yemen for like 5 years before Abraha rebelled and set up an independent kingdom 3. They never Christianized Arabia.

PawParole has issued a correction as of 06:21 on Aug 8, 2023

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

history is a struggle between good guys and bad guys.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

history is a struggle between good guys and bad guys.

Marvel Hegelism

PawParole has issued a correction as of 06:26 on Aug 8, 2023

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

PawParole posted:

Marvel Hegelism



oh I’m saving this one. lol.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

PawParole posted:

Marvel Hegelism



lol

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

really queer Christmas posted:

Isn't Guadio a member of the socialist internationale lol

the republican people's party of turkey (chp) is a member of socialist international. who cares!!

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

PawParole posted:

Marvel Hegelism


ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


PawParole posted:

Marvel Hegelism


Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66424858

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/top-us-official-traveled-niger-held-difficult-talks-with-junta-officials-2023-08-07/

America sent an envoy to talk with the niger military face to face, from what it reads it seems like america was threatening them or shaking them down to try and get them to back down but it looks like it didnt work.

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

really queer Christmas posted:

Isn't Guadio a member of the socialist internationale lol

he is, or was at least
didnt his party kick him out or something?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Juan gladio

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Al-Saqr posted:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66424858

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/top-us-official-traveled-niger-held-difficult-talks-with-junta-officials-2023-08-07/

America sent an envoy to talk with the niger military face to face, from what it reads it seems like america was threatening them or shaking them down to try and get them to back down but it looks like it didnt work.

unipolar america would be all guns blazing by now instead of harsh words

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Slavvy posted:

Juan gladio

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

PawParole posted:

Marvel Hegelism



lmao

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

really queer Christmas posted:

Isn't Guadio a member of the socialist internationale lol

IIRC the socialist internationale also endorsed the fascist coup in Bolivia

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

VoicesCanBe posted:

IIRC the socialist internationale also endorsed the fascist coup in Bolivia

Does China have a version of this thats worth a drat?

DiscountDildos
Nov 8, 2017

https://twitter.com/LarryMadowo/status/1688905648841297920?s=20

"I wouldn't come here if I were you" lmao

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

https://twitter.com/african_stream/status/1688938706210623488?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
didn’t even know ecowas existed until this week ngl

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Al-Saqr posted:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66424858

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/top-us-official-traveled-niger-held-difficult-talks-with-junta-officials-2023-08-07/

America sent an envoy to talk with the niger military face to face, from what it reads it seems like america was threatening them or shaking them down to try and get them to back down but it looks like it didnt work.

for people who don't know the background of Victoria Nuland

quote:

Ms. Nuland, a well regarded 29-year veteran of the Foreign Service, once served as deputy national security adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney and as ambassador to NATO under President George W. Bush. She is married to Robert Kagan, a neoconservative historian and commentator who advised Mitt Romney during the 2012 campaign.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/us/politics/2-diplomats-treated-differently-in-benghazi-uproar.html

She was the point person for the US in arranging the post-Maidan coup government
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk38Jk_JL0g


Nuland also gave out cookies during the Maidan protests that led to the coup

uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011

Centrist Committee posted:

didn’t even know ecowas existed until this week ngl

still waiting for eco(w)as to roll in w a bunch of these.

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Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

KomradeX posted:

Does China have a version of this thats worth a drat?

the International Meeting of Communist and Workers Parties is the closest equivalent but it only meets once a year and doesn't really exist as a permanent standing body, and also China didn't attend the 2021 or 2022 meetings for unclear reasons despite being a regular participant prior to that (neither did the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, another regular participant)

Mister Bates has issued a correction as of 18:49 on Aug 8, 2023

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