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AndyElusive posted:I don't think Midwinter is concerned with tutorials anymore, usually when a Hobby YouTuber gets long in the tooth they start to deviate. Being a mini painting content creator right now must be weird. Most of the questions people seem to ask them are things along the lines of "how do I blend" or "how do I paint NMM", when dozens of great videos on these topics already exist, and if you've been at it for more than few months you've already made your own. I guess it's all about being a personality/cultivating that parasocial relationship.
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Electric Hobo posted:I might be living under a rock, but I have no idea what Skibidi is. I could google it, but I'll go to sleep instead.
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Electric Hobo posted:I might be living under a rock, but I have no idea what Skibidi is. I could google it, but I'll go to sleep instead. A series of YouTube videos depicting a surprisingly violent conflict between heads in toilets (skibidi toilets) and men with cameras and televisions for heads (camera men).
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The Moon Monster posted:Being a mini painting content creator right now must be weird. Most of the questions people seem to ask them are things along the lines of "how do I blend" or "how do I paint NMM", when dozens of great videos on these topics already exist, and if you've been at it for more than few months you've already made your own. I guess it's all about being a personality/cultivating that parasocial relationship. Keep in mind those people are likely very new to painting, and new painters tend to interpret painting techniques as strict recipes to follow, where deviation means failure, and they don't have a broad enough knowledge base yet to be able to riff on techniques. Like how citadel teaches their base -> wash -> layer -> highlight techniques as recipes with specific paints, and new painters often walk away from that with the idea that they are strict recipes to follow, not understanding you can mix your own colours on the fly. Also whose NMN or blending videos do you watch and listen to? There are heaps of them, some of them are quite old, maybe the creator would do things differently now? They also might just want to know how this person executes those techniques, because they like the style of the presenter and how how they teach, or they want something that they feel will be consistent with what they're learning now.
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The Moon Monster posted:Being a mini painting content creator right now must be weird. Most of the questions people seem to ask them are things along the lines of "how do I blend" or "how do I paint NMM", when dozens of great videos on these topics already exist, and if you've been at it for more than few months you've already made your own. I guess it's all about being a personality/cultivating that parasocial relationship. The problem comes when they try to make a living off of it As soon as your income relies on how many people view/subscribe/"hit that bell icon" it's no longer about making useful content it's about making the kind of content that the algorithm will get eyes on, and that means doing stupid poo poo and having an obnoxious on-screen persona.
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Bucnasti posted:The problem comes when they try to make a living off of it I've been making videos about building my live steam large scale railway locomotive for about a year with a core group of viewers and not much growth, but a recent video went (proportionally) viral with 30k+ views within a week or so and I definitely felt this bizarre urge to cater to that feedback loop. I imagine it's easily done, moreso if you hit on something that grabs people's attention and then it's just a vicious cycle of who can be the most attention grabbing, the most extreme, the most ridicolous.
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Southern Heel posted:I've been making videos about building my live steam large scale railway locomotive for about a year with a core group of viewers and not much growth, but a recent video went (proportionally) viral with 30k+ views within a week or so and I definitely felt this bizarre urge to cater to that feedback loop. I imagine it's easily done, moreso if you hit on something that grabs people's attention and then it's just a vicious cycle of who can be the most attention grabbing, the most extreme, the most ridicolous. Make sure you have a thumbnail with obnoxious capitalisation and your best "having a terminal stroke/suffering from severe developmental delays" face on it.
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Yes, combined with the current flame: when various contrast paint ranges appeared, or the zenithal/slapchop thing, blanchitsu, Leviathan-related content, etc. - it's all just so tiring. I think my pet hate is something like 'THEY didn't want you to know THIS!', or 'SECRET method for BEST paintjobs' - it's maddening. I actually enjoyed MWM's stuff because he just used normal paint names (i.e. 'warm red', not 'soulblood hexwraith incarmine') and showed his progression of highlights typically adding white or yellow to the colours. His paintjobs were achievable and the result nice, and his audio and visual quality was pretty good too. It's the natural cycle of things like this to fall apart, though!
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Southern Heel posted:Yes, combined with the current flame: when various contrast paint ranges appeared, or the zenithal/slapchop thing, blanchitsu, Leviathan-related content, etc. - it's all just so tiring. I think my pet hate is something like 'THEY didn't want you to know THIS!', or 'SECRET method for BEST paintjobs' - it's maddening. To be fair to MWM he did have some great content to start but as the years went by it started to get very samey. He's not good enough to just sit there and deliver a lecture on best painting practices like Vince and there's only so many simple painting hacks you can do before it all melds together like youtube diarrhoea. Other great seizure/stroke face havers - EonsOfBattle, Mediocre Painting (how apt) and Luke APS. I don't understand why Miscast felt an urgent need to put his face on the screen either. If your video is 80% you talking to the screen and 20% actually painting/building, you should maybe just do a podcast.
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Southern Heel posted:Yes, combined with the current flame: when various contrast paint ranges appeared, or the zenithal/slapchop thing, blanchitsu, Leviathan-related content, etc. - it's all just so tiring. I think my pet hate is something like 'THEY didn't want you to know THIS!', or 'SECRET method for BEST paintjobs' - it's maddening. Whoever coined "slapchop" should be banished from the internet.
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The joke is that it's supposed to be a dumb name
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Crackbone posted:Whoever coined "slapchop" should be banished from the internet. 
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if they wanted to have an obnoxious name it would have been better to shorten en grisaille down to grizzy
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jesus WEP posted:if they wanted to have an obnoxious name it would have been better to shorten en grisaille down to grizzy Engrish is right there. Wasn't the whole viral slapchop thing a marketing gimmick by Army Painter anyway. Guy who coined the term was a paid shill?
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Uhhh no? He was just a lazy dude who didn't like painting and preferred going to tournaments
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Z the IVth posted:To be fair to MWM he did have some great content to start but as the years went by it started to get very samey. He's not good enough to just sit there and deliver a lecture on best painting practices like Vince and there's only so many simple painting hacks you can do before it all melds together like youtube diarrhoea. Putting a human face in the thumbnail gets poo poo loads more clicks than not. At the moment youtube rewards viewer retention, not good videos, so make that dopamine flow with ~editing~ to keep the viewer from drifting away. Z the IVth posted:Engrish is right there. No.
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Spanish Manlove posted:The joke is that it's supposed to be a dumb name I understand, that doesn't make me think it's funny. At least that makes sense for the product name!
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Crackbone posted:I understand, that doesn't make me think it's funny. It's not supposed to be funny
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Eediot Jedi posted:Putting a human face in the thumbnail gets poo poo loads more clicks than not. Yup, I once saw a video of a youtuber who went in depth on it and showed the numbers. Having a face with an exaggerated expreasion in the thumbnail makes enough of a difference that not doing it is effectively leaving (a lot of) money on the table. Veritasium also has a video explaining how much of a difference different titles and thumbnails can make. It sucks but it's just the way it is, unfortunately. Then again how much of a bother is it really?
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Taeke posted:Yup, I once saw a video of a youtuber who went in depth on it and showed the numbers. Having a face with an exaggerated expreasion in the thumbnail makes enough of a difference that not doing it is effectively leaving (a lot of) money on the table. Veritasium also has a video explaining how much of a difference different titles and thumbnails can make. It repels me and makes me feel bad about how I spend my time
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Taeke posted:Yup, I once saw a video of a youtuber who went in depth on it and showed the numbers. Having a face with an exaggerated expreasion in the thumbnail makes enough of a difference that not doing it is effectively leaving (a lot of) money on the table. Veritasium also has a video explaining how much of a difference different titles and thumbnails can make. Would it be generalisable across all genres of videos though? There are plenty of successful painting and craft channels that don't resort to having an intellectually impaired face on the thumbnails. I would imagine it makes a lot of sense for outrage or reaction videos, but tutorial videos? Taeke posted:It sucks but it's just the way it is, unfortunately. Then again how much of a bother is it really? I do find it helpful because it's an auto-block for me. Now if only I could block these idiots from my search results rather than having to wait for them to pop up on the main page.
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Z the IVth posted:Would it be generalisable across all genres of videos though? There are plenty of successful painting and craft channels that don't resort to having an intellectually impaired face on the thumbnails.
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It's supposedly universal, because the people tracking those metrics closely are the people who are making their living from it, they are in turn the biggest accounts, and the feedback loop is real.
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Z the IVth posted:Would it be generalisable across all genres of videos though? There are plenty of successful painting and craft channels that don't resort to having an intellectually impaired face on the thumbnails. You are not the target audience, they are not catering to you.
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Taeke posted:Yup, I once saw a video of a youtuber who went in depth on it and showed the numbers. Having a face with an exaggerated expreasion in the thumbnail makes enough of a difference that not doing it is effectively leaving (a lot of) money on the table. Veritasium also has a video explaining how much of a difference different titles and thumbnails can make. I used to work for a mobile game company, and they would do extensive user testing on their game icons. The ones that always got the best responses were the icons that were close ups of a character's face yelling. Didn't matter what type of game it was or what the IP was, so all our games had these stupid loving icons of a random character from the game with their mouth open.
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goatface posted:It's supposedly universal, because the people tracking those metrics closely are the people who are making their living from it, they are in turn the biggest accounts, and the feedback loop is real. I do wonder about bias which will be inherent in any attempt to track the metrics since the channels that would do it (and publish their findings) are a particular "type" of channel in of themselves. They make up a majority of the content but their results may not generalise into the more niche audiences. Has any hobby youtuber come out to say it applies to them as well? I wonder how closely the average content creator looks at or understands their metrics despite making their living off them. Most people can't even understand progressive tax so I am sceptical Joe Minipainter is actively gaming the algorithm vs just following "youtuber best practices" as he's learned via another video. It may have some effect but it's not an evidence based decision.
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There's a whole industry thread for discussing this crap, guys. This is the only thread forScreaming Idiot posted:a Tyranid with titties 
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That poor woman is stuck in a horse collar.
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Spanish Manlove posted:It's not supposed to be funny Not sure what dog you have in this fight, just let me hate the stupid name.
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goatface posted:It's supposedly universal, because the people tracking those metrics closely are the people who are making their living from it, they are in turn the biggest accounts, and the feedback loop is real. My personal opinion is that it's a combination of confirmation bias and youtube's search algorithm being loving trash
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youtube search is so bad lol. it's like 5 reasonably relevant results, and then just whatever random stuff would show up on your homepage anyway
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the whole thumbnail face thing is dependent on target audience and doesn't exist for the absolutely niche topics or boomer poo poo like vintage guitar repair videos. A video on how to set up an 8 string or making a guitar out of a shovel to play modern metal would get the Algo face but a StewMac video where a soft-spoken old man talks about how he maintains Willy Nelson's guitar doesn't need a special thumbnail with a red arrow pointing to the worn out spots on Trigger. Likewise, a video on how to SpeedPaint an army using expo markers and hairspray would of course get red arrows and an AI Henry Cavill pogchamp face while that wouldnt work for a taciturn Slovenian man showing how he uses pva glue and old newspapers to make a diorama of some 18th century naval ship
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Silkscreen it onto a warlord titan
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This was on display at GenCon and I thought it was breathtaking. If you can't read the little information sheet underneath, the entire thing is scratch-built.
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Scratch built as in “hand carved” or “built from a number of 3D printed parts” I wonder
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CapnAndy posted:This was on display at GenCon and I thought it was breathtaking. That's from Ben Kantor and it looks way more stunning with good lighting https://www.instagram.com/p/CqORxnzOe-0/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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