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Cooked Auto posted:Wouldn't surprise me if there was a designer at GW who really likes mechs and pushed hard for that side to continue. Lets be real theres a ton of players who like mechs, theyre cool and i bet like 80% of tau players bought in because crisis suits are dope
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Cooked Auto posted:The Covenant was right there you know. Never played Halo
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radlum posted:I got the Cadia Stands box, two chimeras and a Castellan. What should I buy next to start an imperial guard army? You could pick up a couple units of 'veteran guardsmen' (IE Death Korps) squads. A few heavy weapons teams (you could buy the mortars from a 3rd party and then model some extra guardsmen from tank kits on the bases) You'll want a few leman russ tanks, maybe a rogal dorn. Really depends on what you want to do? Do you want to eventually have a good mix of all units in the range so you can play multiple combinations of units for a 2000pt game?
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The Deleter posted:The fact that Stormsurges and Riptides sold in any amount is a crime imo. Ugly rear end models. I think the Riptide is fine, I guess, but I definitely preferred the Tau when they were characterized as not using any superheavies other than the Manta. They were fun as a very modern, smart faction dropped into the gonzo bizarro world of 40k and trying to deal with its absurdities with technology and good tactics. They were a nice contrast to the Imperium, and giving them giant logistically wasteful robots clashes a little bit with that characterization.
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OctaMurk posted:Lets be real theres a ton of players who like mechs, theyre cool and i bet like 80% of tau players bought in because crisis suits are dope Sure, but I'd figure the shift towards a mech heavier Tau might've just come from a push by one of the designers than just pure salesfigures. Hard to tell obviously. Professor Shark posted:Never played Halo Ah. 
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FishFood posted:I think the Riptide is fine, I guess, but I definitely preferred the Tau when they were characterized as not using any superheavies other than the Manta. They were fun as a very modern, smart faction dropped into the gonzo bizarro world of 40k and trying to deal with its absurdities with technology and good tactics. They were a nice contrast to the Imperium, and giving them giant logistically wasteful robots clashes a little bit with that characterization. I loved this part about Tau, it was like you asked some US army officer after Desert Storm to design an army for 40k, with markerlights and net centric warfare being a defining feature rather than the Suits. The Taros Campaign was a really cool book.
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Aug 8, 2023 16:40
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Spanish Manlove posted:Depends on how you want to play them: I liked the idea of taking a list full of Scout/Armored walkers and making extensive use of the reinforcements stratagem. Use up hunter killer missiles and kamikaze enemy units, respawn, repeat.
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Aug 8, 2023 16:51
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The Deleter posted:Everything with the Tau in the lore feels like an overcorrection due to their bad reception when they came out. We coulda had psychic polar bears, human auxilleries, all sorts of models, and we just get more and more battlesuits instead.
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Aug 8, 2023 18:09
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I remember that I bought some Italian metal Fishmen that are reproductions of some weird aliens from the RT days. For some reason I really wanted them
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OctaMurk posted:Lets be real theres a ton of players who like mechs, theyre cool and i bet like 80% of tau players bought in because crisis suits are dope I know I bought in with the initial 3rd edition premier because of the Chris Foss style adjacent artwork for everything. That really made an impression in a game otherwise dominated by grimdark gothic aesthetics. Edit: I still love Kroot but IIRC the issue with vespids was that they were a short ranged, relatively fragile jump-troop that could wound mEq type models well enough but weren't any more accurate or lethal than what battle suits could do so no one ever really felt compelled to use them. Dr. Red Ranger fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Aug 8, 2023 |
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Aug 8, 2023 18:14
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I played against a full squad of armored sentinels and they were tough! Especially since you can order them to take cover, etc. Plus they re-roll wounds when they shoot, very dangerous to my tanks.
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Aug 8, 2023 18:19
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OctaMurk posted:Lets be real theres a ton of players who like mechs, theyre cool and i bet like 80% of tau players bought in because crisis suits are dope Don't doxx me like this
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Aug 8, 2023 18:48
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Maybe we should email GW Edit: about aliens
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:Edit: I still love Kroot but IIRC the issue with vespids was that they were a short ranged, relatively fragile jump-troop that could wound mEq type models well enough but weren't any more accurate or lethal than what battle suits could do so no one ever really felt compelled to use them. also they were topheavy metal models that looked like dogshit the kroot kt is a cool set and fun in kt
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Other than Goonhammer, are there any websites that write stuff about 40k or is it pretty much all scattered throughout YouTube (and overwhelmed by battle reports of wildly varying quality)?
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rantmo posted:Other than Goonhammer, are there any websites that write stuff about 40k or is it pretty much all scattered throughout YouTube (and overwhelmed by battle reports of wildly varying quality)? warphammer is intermittent and chaos-focused but interesting. woehammer has list rundowns with some sparse commentary, although they're a bit more AOS-focused. tale of painters has good advice on hobby products and paints (but with a slant to stuff in EU/UK). can you roll a crit has KT meta commentary (and some interesting winrate data that should be taken with an enormous grain of salt), but it's a supplement to a stream of consciousness YT vlog that has the bulk of the detail. BOLS and spiky bits exist but are garbage.
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Yeah, that's about what I'd figured.
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Cease to Hope posted:also they were topheavy metal models that looked like dogshit Yea, being released in metal did them no favors, and the design was really dull. I recall that they were also not priced (either in $$$ or points) to make much sense - you were paying a premium for something that was better done by a suit, which would also be in plastic and much nicer to work with.
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Ashcans posted:Yea, being released in metal did them no favors, and the design was really dull. I recall that they were also not priced (either in $$$ or points) to make much sense - you were paying a premium for something that was better done by a suit, which would also be in plastic and much nicer to work with. most of the alien auxiliaries had this problem, yeah. kroot hounds were even worse, since they were pure harassment chaff that you wanted 20 of but they came in blisters of like 2. krootoxen weren't cheap points-wise but they were expensive, heavy models that were a terrific pain to assemble securely. hell, the metal kroot stuff was even good looking, but fabulously expensive and a bad fit for the army.
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Professor Shark posted:I remember that I bought some Italian metal Fishmen that are reproductions of some weird aliens from the RT days. For some reason I really wanted them Professor Shark is into Pisceans? Really? I'm shocked. (LOL, I think I have those figs too and I spent way too much on Stephen May's Piscean Kickstarter)
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Aug 8, 2023 20:51
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Ashcans posted:Yea, being released in metal did them no favors, and the design was really dull. I recall that they were also not priced (either in $$$ or points) to make much sense - you were paying a premium for something that was better done by a suit, which would also be in plastic and much nicer to work with. They should have been a kit more like the AdMech Pteraxii. Those are pretty neat looking winged models. (They're also like 15 years more modern, but hey.) I always liked the design of the Tau troops and (smaller) battlesuits, but I've never been a fan of Kroot, Vespids or even the Ethereals for that matter. It doesn't feel like the same army, really.
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I looked those ones up and they look really cool- they would be great in an alien army- but the ones I have are basically recasts of the old RT ones. I should really pull them out and paint them as a palette cleanser sometime.
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Vespid look really squat and goofy, and when I snag a squad I'll definitly go for a 3d printed option. Kroot could use a refresh but I kinda wnana see everything get off of that finecast as well, which includs stuff like the Firesight team and a bunch of Ethereal special characters iirc,
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The Deleter posted:Vespid look really squat and goofy, and when I snag a squad I'll definitly go for a 3d printed option. Kroot could use a refresh but I kinda wnana see everything get off of that finecast as well, which includs stuff like the Firesight team and a bunch of Ethereal special characters iirc, kroot got a brand new boxed set last december for KT. the models look great, especially if you like dudes who make a cloak look good, and they're fun (if generally very conservative) in KT. only downside is that the unit is weirdly pointless in 10e, but you could use them as regular kroot
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When they first came out weren’t they the Tau’s answer for close combat? Cheap and devastating if you let them close in
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I know they were supposed to be their close combat troops, and I also recall playing against Eldar that souped in a unit or two of Kroot mercenaries but it was amongst friends so no idea if that was legal or not in 3rd - I think it was probably a white dwarf thing? Can't remember if they were any good though TBF I was playing Blood Angels at the time so the blender bois versus "the best Tau CC" isn't really a fair matchup.
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Professor Shark posted:When they first came out weren’t they the Tau’s answer for close combat? Cheap and devastating if you let them close in They were dogshit at the time in melee, but at various times they were better than firewarriors for shooting per point you spent on them.
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tangy yet delightful posted:I know they were supposed to be their close combat troops, and I also recall playing against Eldar that souped in a unit or two of Kroot mercenaries but it was amongst friends so no idea if that was legal or not in 3rd - I think it was probably a white dwarf thing? There was a Kroot Mercenary army you could run via Chapter Approved in 3rd. No idea if you could ally them in though.
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tangy yet delightful posted:I know they were supposed to be their close combat troops, and I also recall playing against Eldar that souped in a unit or two of Kroot mercenaries but it was amongst friends so no idea if that was legal or not in 3rd - I think it was probably a white dwarf thing? It was in a WD, I had a guy in my old group who also ran kroot mercs. Edit: beaten haha
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Professor Shark posted:When they first came out weren’t they the Tau’s answer for close combat? Cheap and devastating if you let them close in kroot were were not devastating, no. they punched about as hard as tactical marines at half the cost, but they were paper-thin, had a lower initiative, and had a chance to fail to sweeping advance when they did win a melee. (this was an annoying but not gamebreaking weakness, and it would occasionally get them killed.) the hounds were cheaper and better in melee (twice the attacks, standard init 4), but you needed a kroot squad to add them to, and they were sold two to a blister when a full unit was eight.
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Kroot had effectively a bolter and two S4 attacks in CC but a guardsman statline, a 6+ save you paid extra for, and a bonus to cover saves + an increase in the distance they could see through cover to shoot. They were good as cheap weight of fire and annoying to dislodge objective holders but the fragility and low initiative meant 99% of the time they were better off shooting instead of punching.
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Combat Patrol is working well. My partner has been enjoying the hobby so much she bought another kit. When she bought the combat patrol she swore she was only going to buy that one set.
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The Deleter posted:Vespid look really squat and goofy, and when I snag a squad I'll definitly go for a 3d printed option. Kroot could use a refresh but I kinda wnana see everything get off of that finecast as well, which includs stuff like the Firesight team and a bunch of Ethereal special characters iirc, I would love a Vespid kill team that look like Brundleflies or something
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Improbable Lobster posted:I would love a Vespid kill team that look like Brundleflies or something a team of baxter stockmans
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Just because I have to rave about it somewhere, I've been listening to The Infinite and The Divine and I should be finishing it this weekend. It's been FANTASTIC.  Spoiler: Realizing why the planet is going to be destroyed and watching all of the pieces fall into place has been beautiful.
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Spanish Manlove posted:the kill team kroot box looks sick as hell though Can confirm they look super cool, easily some of my favourite minis looks wise super hyped to paint them
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Pinwiz11 posted:Just because I have to rave about it somewhere, I've been listening to The Infinite and The Divine and I should be finishing it this weekend. I finished it yesterday and despite a few flaws it's a really really fun read/listen. The author has a lot of fun, especially when he gets to do Orks. Spoiler: I could hear the Always Sunny theme start playing when the planetary governess got popped in the back of the head. "Trazyn Starts a Genestealer Cult."
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What am I not seeing about the Falcon and the Wave Serpent? The WS seems to have better guns and more transport capacity but is cheaper?
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