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For the record I think everything else about bg3 is amazing I just weep for what it could have been if they used a ruleset that isn't garbage.
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You've obviously never read the PS5 thread
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Zokari posted:it never fails to make me laugh that this is one of the angriest and most hostile threads on SA A big tent holds a big circus! Posting in a game thread about how you don't like the game is a little weird, but since there are lots of different RPGs, it makes sense that we'd have different tastes about them.
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DNE posted:A big tent holds a big circus! And we are all clowns
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Ibram Gaunt posted:For the record I think everything else about bg3 is amazing I just weep for what it could have been if they used a ruleset that isn't garbage. it truly is the new Witcher 3
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I think overfocusing on the ruleset over the inventiveness of the encounters in BG3 kind of limits your ability to be creative. You have so many ways to manipulate the environments and build your party that reward you for thinking laterally, whereas most CRPGs are just variants of “wail on boss using numbers system until dead.” There are just so many cool experimental things you can do that other games don’t touch.
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Zokari posted:it never fails to make me laugh that this is one of the angriest and most hostile threads on SA i don't think that's even remotely true
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Some Lufia music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV_fI8DgAbc
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if you think this thread is hostile i think your skin would melt off if you read the POE or Diablo threads
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I'm not really sure where that comment even comes from, this discussion doesn't seem that heated to me
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Sakurazuka posted:You've obviously never read the PS5 thread or the board game thread
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Arivia posted:Ah, I missed your post before that since you didn't quote anyone. My bad. Still, it feels like you're shifting your target. I really am not! I was responding to Ibram who said they felt like they had no choices leveling up. To be honest (and *this* may be moving the goalposts a bit) I wonder how much of this is tied to strong feelings about D&D as a system and the dislike between various editions. I don't really play D&D so I'm mostly judging it off the various games I play as opposed to a tabletop system. (My general experiences with D&D as a tabletop system were negative regardless of the edition TBH.)
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MockingQuantum posted:or the board game thread or the MTG thread
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Feels Villeneuve posted:if you think this thread is hostile i think your skin would melt off if you read the POE or Diablo threads the poe thread has become much, much better. it got a bit cranky with the recent poe2 news but it'll be fine.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:For the record I think everything else about bg3 is amazing I just weep for what it could have been if they used a ruleset that isn't garbage. Same but Pathfinder 1e. The thing is that Larian has spruced up D&D 5e no end while Owlcat really exercised PF1's worst excesses that are short of full on wizard supremacy. Some of that is down to the relative weaknesses of the respective systems specifically - for instance, adapting it to a video game with heavy freedom to make use of setpieces and contextual in-combat actions is one of the situations where I actually believe the line that 5e's bare-bonesness is good actually because it frees your GM to make up mechanics without getting into a huge tangle where PF's scaling systems are all opaquely interconnected and it's easy to break entire class mechanics with an exception, which is why Owlcat doesn't really try, it just builds tactical encounters for you to throw the correct spells at in between narrative segments. Pathfinder may be more engaging as a system out of the box (I'm well out of love with PF1 but I still remember what the building bug felt like) but BG3's content takes a lot of advantage of the open gaps in 5e's system. Caphi fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Aug 8, 2023 |
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Here are some fun things I’ve done so far in Baldur’s Gate 3, about 30 hours in: - The aforementioned alley ooping my Halfling Bard up to a platform to thunderwave the bad guys to their deaths. - Burning a web bridge with fire grenades to make the spider boss on top take huge fall damage. - Started a combat encounter early into a cutscene to jump a boss when they were still isolated from the rest of their crew. - Using a psionic mage hand to shove an enemy off a tower into my melee line. - Using a big mechanical lever to crush a scary boss into paste - Collapsing a bridge onto a bunch of goblins, killing them all. - Releasing a bunch of caged spiders from their pens so that they would fight the boss for me. And I’m sure there are many other approaches people more creative than me have invented. At no point have I thought “oh dear oh me, the limitations of 5E.” I can’t think of another CRPG that even attempts this level of environmental manipulation besides DOS2.
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Looper posted:I'm not really sure where that comment even comes from, this discussion doesn't seem that heated to me someone who used to post in here said it elsewhere and i guess it got circulated as forums knowledge, and i feel like that person took me being abrasive on an internet forum as threatening his life cause he also kept getting taken aback at me when he did post here and i didn't understand why then either
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I love Baldur's Gate 3, and I have already finished my first campaign, with two more in the works, but am just looking forward to the game being a bit more polished. Not even the rules of 5e bothered me, but how buggy and glitchy the game is, especially after Act 2, really got to me at points.
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my only baldur's gate 3 word is that it seems fine but i'm not into those kinds of rpgs anymore
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exquisite tea posted:Here are some fun things I’ve done so far in Baldur’s Gate 3, about 30 hours in: My favorite fight was one where two separate factions got into a battle next to a lava pit and the combat strategy for both sides, as well as my party, was instantly just 'toss people into lava' to the point I had to kill a specific dude real quick because I needed his head and getting his head out of lava would be hard.
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The Colonel posted:played a bit of black/matrix cross, the ps1 port of the famous sega saturn srpg with a gay cheat code. this game opens with your gay twink husband telling you how important you are to him and how he feels at peace just being with you, and he would do anything to be with you, even if society says it's wrong. then you go into the fields and play mario party minigames that level up your stats to create your main character build You're playing all of the cool RPGs right now that I wish I could have time for.
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ImpAtom posted:My favorite fight was one where two separate factions got into a battle next to a lava pit and the combat strategy for both sides, as well as my party, was instantly just 'toss people into lava' to the point I had to kill a specific dude real quick because I needed his head and getting his head out of lava would be hard. This is the single most tabletop campaign story I've heard about a CRPG, ever.
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Assuming I've finished Trails to Reverie by then.
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If you can't stack multiple damage modifiers for touch of death combos is it really an rpg
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its not an RPG unless i can break the game by getting crit percentage to 100
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Zokari posted:it never fails to make me laugh that this is one of the angriest and most hostile threads on SA shut up b*tch, i'll cut you with my demon knife. cackle cackle, no rules only wastledland!
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bewilderment posted:Owlcat who made the Pathfinder CRPGs has moved on to other projects, which is kind of a shame because Pathfinder 2e is in a really good state right now (or will be after its 'remaster' late this year) making it prime for a computer adaptation. There is a game coming for it but it's an action RPG. they are making a rogue trader game next which is like, way cooler than just another video game adaption of dnd system. which yes i am lumping pathfinder into that umbrella.
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Snooze Cruise posted:they are making a rogue trader game next which is like, way cooler than just another video game adaption of dnd system. which yes i am lumping pathfinder into that umbrella. looked at the steam page for this and i agree that it looks cool.
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Snooze Cruise posted:they are making a rogue trader game next which is like, way cooler than just another video game adaption of dnd system. which yes i am lumping pathfinder into that umbrella. Didn't Pathfinder start as an offshoot of dnd anyways because of an open source license that is available?
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Snooze Cruise posted:they are making a rogue trader game next which is like, way cooler than just another video game adaption of dnd system. which yes i am lumping pathfinder into that umbrella. Shame it's 40k and thus bad. Edit: aren't Rogue Trader's ruleset and numbers impressively broken, too? Not seeing how this is a step up
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I said come in! posted:Didn't Pathfinder start as an offshoot of dnd anyways because of an open source license that is available? Technically yes. The company that makes Pathfinder used to make the official magazines for D&D but were cut off with basically no notice, so they pivoted to making compatible adventures under the Open Gaming License as a way to try and salvage something. The actual roleplaying game came later when it became obvious there was a market for a game to fit the adventures.
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I found the environment stuff and the armor system in dos2 kinda tedious. I guess BG3 is more of the same?
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Arivia posted:The standard BG3's character creation rules is being compared to isn't console games, it's other PC RPGs, especially D&D ones, where the 5e base has dramatically less decision points and customization options than people have become expected to in the years since Baldur's Gate 2. So, I may actually enjoy the game if I get it without spending half a year studying a ruleset?
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Prism posted:Shame it's 40k and thus bad. rogue trader is in a subsection of 40k that is actually interesting. basically its about privateers that get to act outside the normal bounds of the space empire or whatever, going from planet to planet trying to find new avenues of profit. its an area of 40k where humans can have interactions with xenos that isn't just kill on sight, and can even potentially join the crew. Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Aug 8, 2023 |
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OddObserver posted:So, I may actually enjoy the game if I get it without spending half a year studying a ruleset? Didn't need that for the other games either.
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exquisite tea posted:Here are some fun things I’ve done so far in Baldur’s Gate 3, about 30 hours in: I hit that spider baddie with an eldritch blast and sent it flying off the web bridge into a chasm before I was noticed. So glad it worked, because it was 2 levels higher than me. In another fight three enemies were bunched in a small room, so I hit them all with a grease spell, threw a candle, and booked it as the explosions began since they were apparently next to a powder barrel. Having an absolute blast in combat so far. Even when a party member came down from their rage high and started automatically destroying every breakable object in sight with their fire sword while screaming "gently caress YOU!" without a care in the world for collateral damage. It hurt my team quite a bit, but it was absolutely incredible.
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I keep seeing memes about BG3 dice, is it really that RNG heavy? Is it like Disco Elysium where failing (outside of combat) is cool or is it just save-scum fodder?
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lunar detritus posted:I keep seeing memes about BG3 dice, is it really that RNG heavy? You use dice for every check in the game basically. Definitely not as interesting as DE's failures though. Typically just stuff like [deception] You don't want to hurt me, i have powerful friends! SUCCEED: avoid a fight FAILURE: fight
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