RDM posted:

The largest American producer of 155mm shells during WW1 was the American Car and Foundry Company, and there were something like 50 different companies contracted to produce shells spread over the northeast and midwest

RDM posted:

Do you think visas are an American right wing conspiracy?

OctaMurk posted:

In 1917, the US produced 17,000 155mm shells per day with vastly inferior technology. During the Vietnam War, the US lost literally 5,000 helicopters and it was fine because we just made more. If the political willpower existed to simply order industry to make poo poo then Ukraine wouldnt have any shortages. The increase in shells is promising for the Ukrainian Army but small in historical terms. You have to wonder, if this war is really that important then why are European countries and the US not doing more to just take control of their industrial capacities to actually make some poo poo? They either dont really care that much, or are way too bought into the free market for something that should really be under heavy government control

ishikabibble posted:

Most immigrants I know don't have many positive things to say about being in the US on a visa

Hell, a friend of mine is an immigrant from the Netherlands and was advised by two different immigration lawyers that the best way for them to settle in the US with their partner is some ridiculous scheme of overstaying a travel visa and then marrying. The marriage was the plan anyways, but it is kind of absurd that's the only path forward that won't take literal years to make happen.

Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:

It’s absolutely worth the cost to equip Ukraine for the US than it would be to give Russia some more targets to aim at by building/amping up war factories while open hostilities are taking place.

The US supplying Ukraine is not the same as the US fighting for Ukraine to avoid direct head to head conflict and as long as Russia is willing to let it slide then it makes sense to wait until the war is over to start building up their war machine.

As I recall, wasn’t the Azov fortress a major soviet tank factory? The Russians blasted that place to the point of no return.

pro starcraft loser posted:

I like the idea that Russia believed enough of it's own propaganda it feeds to the right wing here about how our military is all 'woke' and all the soldiers are trans and all our factories make are flowers or whatever poo poo you hear on Fox News and forgot we barely touched the dial to supply Ukraine so far.

Dwesa posted:

"They said, ‘Guys, this isn't right, we're making concessions, but you're not conceding anything!' And in response, we said to them, 'Well, what's the problem? We are a great power, and you are just Switzerland!' Almost in those exact words. That's [Russian] diplomacy for you," says Bondarev.

Tai posted:

Yeah I love reading hot takes from people saying ''that what's going on in Ukraine this just shows NATO couldn't win a conventional war against Russia'' or bangers like ''lol NATO sucks and doesn't have as much artilery shells as Russia''. Just casually ignoring that dumb shell artillery is not the main doctrine of NATO.

HonorableTB posted:

The Army is also currently under contract to build another facility with a Canadian company, and is building yet another factory in Texas with General Dynamics. The Army put 2.5 billion into modernizing shell production and increasing production capacity and the Iowa filling and fuzing facility is being expanded along with a new production facility being constructed in Kansas.

Tigey posted:

Problem with that approach to foreign policy, is when your country is no longer a superpower.

Then you have to concede everything to the actual superpowers.

pro starcraft loser posted:

I like the idea that Russia believed enough of it's own propaganda it feeds to the right wing here about how our military is all 'woke' and all the soldiers are trans and all our factories make are flowers or whatever poo poo you hear on Fox News and forgot we barely touched the dial to supply Ukraine so far.

HonorableTB posted:

Gonzalo lira's arrest photo should be the new probation avatar

Toxic Mental posted:

Remind me again what law Russia just passed about... something... I can't quite remember. All these Gonzalo Lira videos have affected my memory.

HonorableTB posted:

Gonzalo lira's arrest photo should be the new probation avatar

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1688978775202029569

HonorableTB posted:

Whats the over-under on Russia firing a missile into that statue, +-2 weeks

steinrokkan posted:

They didn't think they could outproduce Americans, that's why they wanted to capture Kyiv and murder the government on day one. If the world has been presented with a fait accompli and no central power to support, it would have been a Russian victory. Now they hope they can outlast the Americans politically.

ishikabibble posted:

There isn't the money on the table, that's the biggest issue.

The 'billions' in aid that have been given to Ukraine so far has been mostly in already existing equipment sitting unused in US stores that was determined to not detrimentally affect US military readiness if passed on to Ukraine. The only 'value' it had was more for accountability than anything actually monetary - if it didn't go to Ukraine, then it would've just kept sitting for decades more before being cut up and sold as scrap.

It's an entirely different matter to actually spend to spin up new production, as that's suddenly now taking money out of the US budget and allocating it towards that.

zone posted:

I suppose it would work in GiP, if nothing else.

also:
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1688978775202029569

bad_fmr posted:

https://i.imgur.com/e3JTimA.mp4

Western homonazi brigades that Russia has been warning us about fabulously marching towards the front.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Mainly talking about Japan as a whole. I mean the entire society at that time was under total mobilization culturally and Industrially. Ready to die at a moments notice for the empire/emperor. Even if there were divisions. They were not divided on dying just how to die when and why.

This isnt meant to be some racist caricature or anything. Japan in WW2 has the fiercest warriors of the war.

Russia would Love To have the culture that Japan did at this time. Because they wouldn't have to nab people off the street. They'd be lining up in droves To fight.

My whole point is they call out Japans culture whole also wanting the exaxt thing they call out.

Mistle posted:

Americans are getting to see Uncle Sam's Toys™ kicking commie rear end with none of the downsides, like "American soldiers doing war crimes" or "American soldiers accidentally friendly fired a whole squad of soldiers" or "American soldiers coming home in body bags for a Very Presidential Pmurt to mock them," so good luck convincing them their tax monies that buy hella guns are doing something wrong. No way Americans are going to get tired of third parties having an armed conflict; hell, Americans can't even bother to remember the Canadian and Mexican prime ministers unless it's big news in the U.S., they're so geocentric..

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Nah, now that there's space, the MIC needs to "replenish the inventory" and that means either resupplying with similar, or buying into the new hot materiel, and both options are MIC-backed with Uncle Sam cutting the fattest check.

Mistle posted:

; hell, Americans can't even bother to remember the Canadian and Mexican prime ministers unless it's big news in the U.S., they're so geocentric.

HonorableTB posted:

The American system is a nightmare that nobody should have to deal with it but also has nothing to do with the Latvian immigration requirements

Tunicate posted:

To be fair to us Americans, Mexico doesn't have a prime minister.

Toxic Mental posted:

HonorableTB posted:

The reason the US wants the 6.8 is to make sure a bullet can penetrate ballistic armor vests that are now becoming popular with Russian forces as well as Russian allies, and the 5.56 was not as effective at penetrating the armored vests.

The 6.8 was also chosen after considering going back to the 7.62, but the 7.62 was even heavier than the 6.8, so the 6.8 was a good compromise between weight, range, and armor penetration.

So there is a lot more that was considered than just weight and number of rounds that can be carried. 38 rounds of 5.56 weigh a pound, while 28 rounds of 6.8 weigh a pound, so 10 rounds seem like a lot, but due to the terminal velocity of the 6.8 will significantly increase the chances of incapacitation with a first-round hit, thus the need for more rounds will not be necessary like it would for the 5.56.

But the 5.56 is not going away, because it is a good round for fast close quarters fighting within 100 meters like in urban fighting.

Tldr: bigger bullet brings better boom

Ronwayne posted:

Isn't the changeover to 6.5 cartridge a naked cashgrab or does it actually have ballistic properties not covered by either 5.56 or 7.62?

Bearcreekarsenal.com posted:

Cutting to the chase, the (purple line) .308 shows a final drop at 900 yards of about 25 feet, while the (green line) .277 Fury drops about 16 feet at that distance. Given the fact that the Fury’s bullet started at around 3,000 fps, it isn’t rocket science to figure that the bullet from that rifle would retain energy and show less drop than any of the other calibers shown here. The ballistic coefficient of .277 Fury's 140-grain bullet is higher than that of the .308 so it will hang on to velocity at longer ranges.