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Doom's been a menace ever since they gave him armor
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Techies escaped more nerfs which is nice. And being able to self detonate the taser is a nice buff to suicide > spam mines during the stun, as you can pre cast taser and not have to rely on getting the timing right. The witch doctor ult being pure damage is scary. It's got lower numbers, but armor probably had a bigger reduction effect than the new numbers do. Also seems illusion heroes copped a bit of a battering with a lot of the changes.
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Aug 9, 2023 02:58
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RealityWarCriminal posted:Doom's been a menace ever since they gave him armor taking literally no damage
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Aug 9, 2023 04:00
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Original_Z posted:I'm not sure what to think of PA's new ulti, it seems way better now but also seems annoying to have to constantly be pressing the skill when in the middle of a fight. It's annoying it's also objectively worse because it's affected by break and it's also dispellable so nullifier ruins her, this was on a hero that was already kinda bad
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Aug 9, 2023 07:46
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NtotheTC posted:that midas change, god its going to be everywhere It's nearly HoN's Alchemist Bones now with the 2 charges.
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Aug 9, 2023 09:26
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Pretty sure PA ult is still a passive? 20% on hit or 40% on a dagger for your next attack to be the crit, a buff (if not nullified) for sustained fights but now it's literally impossible to 1 shot someone with a rando first hit crit or dagger, so makes playing support slightly less miserable vs her.
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Aug 9, 2023 09:40
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Tiger Millionaire posted:Pretty sure PA ult is still a passive? 20% on hit or 40% on a dagger for your next attack to be the crit, a buff (if not nullified) for sustained fights but now it's literally impossible to 1 shot someone with a rando first hit crit or dagger, so makes playing support slightly less miserable vs her.
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Aug 9, 2023 09:58
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The necro aura change looks pretty mean. The ghost walk regen is pretty nuts too.
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Aug 9, 2023 11:01
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Glory to Italia!
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Troll changes are good, too. A lot of small buffs to his kit. Omni’s Heavenly Grace turning into a pocket BKB feels kinda bad. I much preferred him as a brawler than a pure support, but this will definitely put him in a unique support spot.
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Aug 9, 2023 11:24
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Yea bringing Repel back like they did doesn't seem better. Not sure what I think of the CM changes either. I guess having a Force Staff + free Shard from Tormentor was too strong 
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Aug 9, 2023 11:56
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Original_Z posted:I'm not sure what to think of PA's new ulti, it seems way better now but also seems annoying to have to constantly be pressing the skill when in the middle of a fight.
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Aug 9, 2023 12:19
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e; ehh never mind
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Aug 9, 2023 13:50
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ILL Machina posted:The necro aura change looks pretty mean. Yeah the sceptre change means he's more vulnerable to physical carries late game, but he'll also be doing ridiculous AOE damage with a few scythe kills and radiance. Bloodstone and heart are now damage items on him
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Aug 9, 2023 14:02
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Willow being able to cast bedlam on allies should be fun
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Aug 9, 2023 14:09
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Played a few games last night. Razor's new shard is fun, spent an entire game taking the other team for walkies. Still want to mess around with the Willow change and I'm interested in how the Venge change makes the hero feel, she used to be one of my more played heroes but fell off kinda hard. IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Aug 9, 2023 |
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Aug 9, 2023 14:20
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CM's new Shard is bugged; when it Frostbites creeps, it applies the 4.25s Hero Duration and not the 10s Creep Duration. So you can't really use it to farm now lol.
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Aug 9, 2023 14:25
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anilEhilated posted:What I don't like is that it seems to make daggers no longer crit? I think they still crit, just no longer on the first hit. If you have the buff, your next attack (dagger included) is a guaranteed crit, and still has the same chance to apply the buff for your next attack. It's just that if you haven't attacked anyone in 6 seconds, you won't get a crit on the first hit
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Aug 9, 2023 14:42
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I've been saying they should make Treant vines count as trees since they added that spell in and I'm very happy to see it finally come to pass
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Plank Walker posted:I think they still crit, just no longer on the first hit. If you have the buff, your next attack (dagger included) is a guaranteed crit, and still has the same chance to apply the buff for your next attack. It's just that if you haven't attacked anyone in 6 seconds, you won't get a crit on the first hit It is interesting in post-6 lane. You can either play around the crits for last hitting, or only throw crit daggers. That is if you don't get pushed out by then.
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Man, I honestly prefer when riki is a bad option for carry. He is pretty miserable to play against as a support if he does well in a game.
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2 games in and support venomancer still feels good, probably even better than before since spirit vessel now gives all stats and veil has been buffed. I still like going solar crest/force staff first items when you don't need a vessel but I'm better at being a backline support than earning urn charges
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Aug 10, 2023 01:18
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Sab669 posted:<winchart> Sand King is absolutely nuts right now with his Aghs change. No one can fight in the storm and melee carries are just hosed.
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Aug 10, 2023 01:37
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I wonder how many of these ogre losers are buying multiple midas and a refresher before any real items
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Aug 10, 2023 01:41
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Yeah overall the changes struck me as an Ogre buff. The Midas change makes a good item on him even better, and the Aghs scaling with strength seems like it should be a buff late game. I guess it’s a nurf if you were rushing Aghs with no other strength items?
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Aug 10, 2023 02:16
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I don't understand all the Midas hype. You still start with one charge, the only real change is that now if you forget to use the midas off cooldown it'll start with a second charge, but I think most people who use it off cooldown will see no change.
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Aug 10, 2023 02:23
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The guy who posted the chart did say Ogre's pick rate skyrocketd, so I'm sure that number is skewed by dummies who don't know how to Ogre
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Aug 10, 2023 02:29
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It can be difficult to always use it off cooldown. Maybe you’re dead, maybe you’re about to start a teamfight, maybe you’re Roshing. Now you have a 100 second window to use it without losing gold efficiency.
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Aug 10, 2023 02:30
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bawfuls posted:It can be difficult to always use it off cooldown. Maybe you’re dead, maybe you’re about to start a teamfight, maybe you’re Roshing. Now you have a 100 second window to use it without losing gold efficiency. yeah it's this, even doing my damndest to use it off cooldown I probably lose at least two and possibly three uses of a midas just in turbo, can't imagine how bad it would be in a real game.
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Aug 10, 2023 02:57
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Original_Z posted:I don't understand all the Midas hype. You still start with one charge, the only real change is that now if you forget to use the midas off cooldown it'll start with a second charge, but I think most people who use it off cooldown will see no change. multiple midas' also had separate cooldowns so ogres were going 3-4 midas + refresher orb (and then losing the game because that's utterly moronic). looks like it's patched now so they share cooldowns though
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Midas change is exciting because two is better than one, as evidenced by Ogre Magi and Jakiro
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bawfuls posted:Yeah overall the changes struck me as an Ogre buff. The Midas change makes a good item on him even better, and the Aghs scaling with strength seems like it should be a buff late game. I guess it’s a nurf if you were rushing Aghs with no other strength items?
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Aug 10, 2023 09:50
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Even a support ogre will gain enough strength just from getting 4.2 per level that he'll eventually deal more damage with the new unrefined blast, not counting attribute boosts, the +30 strength talent at 20, and the strength from various support items you're buying.
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But Midas doesn't have any Strength 
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I've been buying midas even on support ogre in my low bracket games. The synergy with multicast is too insane to pass up, and lower skill games tend to last longer anyway.Geight posted:Even a support ogre will gain enough strength just from getting 4.2 per level that he'll eventually deal more damage with the new unrefined blast, not counting attribute boosts, the +30 strength talent at 20, and the strength from various support items you're buying. Old version was 275 damage, new one is 150 + 1.5xSTR. So you need 83.333 STR to do more than 275 damage. Ogre has 23 base strength and 4.2 per level, which means level 15 if you had NO other strength on items. If you have nothing but Aghs, then you need level 12 to be at 275 damage on unrefined fireblast. How often did you get an Aghs before level 12 on Ogre? Gonna guess that's pretty rare, so this is a buff in nearly all cases. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Aug 10, 2023 |
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Best use of ogre is still pos3 vanguard Midas into as-needed auras into sheepstick Some pros were trying him pos1 in 7.33 but no one’s been brave enough so far in .34
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bawfuls posted:I've been buying midas even on support ogre in my low bracket games. The synergy with multicast is too insane to pass up, and lower skill games tend to last longer anyway. Oh man I was doing all my math where it was 150+STR, I just didn't realize the 1.5 modifier. Yeah that's a buff in any practical case, honestly.
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Aug 10, 2023 21:51
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Geight posted:Oh man I was doing all my math where it was 150+STR, I just didn't realize the 1.5 modifier. Yeah that's a buff in any practical case, honestly.  That is pretty nice.
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Played a game as ogre earlier and yeah people just do not respect the damage from unrefined fireblast yet
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They sent NP even farther into 'We'll probably win but it's going to be extremely annoying' because now he's a pain to lane against with the sprout changes. If you don't break out you take damage, if you use a tango to break out you don't get healing from the tree.
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