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Phanatic posted:How's that scale? Mostly he’s just been using a little bit of planning ahead using charging apps to find hotels with chargers, or committing to an overnight charge at an RV site or a friend’s house with an available plug. It hasn’t been difficult, just requires a bit of planning. Certainly that’s more scalable than equipping every car with its own solar array
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Anecdotally, there's an electric car charging station on a rural section of interstate near me. Last time I was there, there was 6 cars in line waiting for the two operable chargers (there's two that have been broken for months). Even with rapid charging, that's a long-rear end wait. Mass adoption of electric cars probably won't help this situation.
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Kaal posted:Mostly he’s just been using a little bit of planning ahead using charging apps to find hotels with chargers, or committing to an overnight charge at an RV site or a friend’s house with an available plug. It hasn’t been difficult, just requires a bit of planning. Certainly that’s more scalable than equipping every car with its own solar array Right, but when it's more than just your friend driving in the backwoods with an EV, finding a charger becomes more of an issue. That means it doesn't scale.
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Aug 9, 2023 01:36
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Most people don't drive cross country. And most people statistically live in urban areas.
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Seems like a pretty hypothetical concern. Right now, it’s not a significant barrier - particularly for the average user who drives 20 miles per day in a familiar area. As the demand increases, more chargers will be installed. Certainly there’s no shortage of gas stations and parking lots available.
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Kaal posted:Seems like a pretty hypothetical concern. Right now, it’s not a significant barrier - particularly for the average user who drives 20 miles per day in a familiar area. As the demand increases, more chargers will be installed. Certainly there’s no shortage of gas stations and parking lots available. It takes 5 minutes to gas up a car, so the throughput on a given gas pump is a lot higher than the throughput on a given car charger. And hypothetical concerns like "what happens if a lot more people buy one of these"? are things that people consider before spending $40,000+ on a vehicle which they expect to last them 10 years.
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Aug 9, 2023 01:48
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there's an ev thread if you want to complain about electric cars for thread-related content: lets spin up more nukes to power these electric cars tia i will take my responses off the air
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Knowing where you will usually charge your vehicle is a reasonable thing to consider, but for most people it is their house or apartment complex. These sorts of things will become less scary to people as they are normalized. Edit: Speaking of nuclear power and gas stations, what are the possibilities of converting old gas station sites to power generation? Are they typically hooked up with high energy infrastructure? I know they are generally considered to be significant waste liability concerns that have been dumped onto the public. Digging them out and installing a micro reactor sounds like an appealing fix. Kaal fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Aug 9, 2023 |
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Kaal posted:Edit: Speaking of nuclear power and gas stations, what are the possibilities of converting old gas station sites to power generation? "lol, lmao"
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M_Gargantua posted:"lol, lmao" this is definitely happening though. most of the gas stations we hit when we drive to the coast for example, have charging stations installed. as more electric cars get sold, that is going to increase
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Aug 9, 2023 03:31
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Converting gas stations to electric charging stations has nothing to do with power generation.
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M_Gargantua posted:Converting gas stations to electric charging stations has nothing to do with power generation. i completely agree but since the thread wants to discuss electric cars for some reason i gave up
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The difficulties of electric cars really drives home how important transit and walkability/cyclability is. Ubiquitous personal cars are not sustainable.
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unfortunately it seems like 90% of people disagree personally i think we should popularize cheap electric motorbikes too
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California is stopping the sale of gasoline cars in 2035
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M_Gargantua posted:Converting gas stations to electric charging stations has nothing to do with power generation. I did a little bit of reading, and it certainly seems like gas stations are avidly embracing solar panels at least. There’s apparently an average of 120 m^2 of open roof space at each station, and several of the big corporations like BP and Total have embarked on building sprees taking advantage of the existing power infrastructure and equipping them with 10-20 kw solar arrays and EV vehicle stations. These sorts of businesses are already adept at navigating environmental impact statements, building codes, and other issues that NIMBYs can attack projects with.
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M_Gargantua posted:Converting gas stations to electric charging stations has nothing to do with power generation. Not true, you can run generators with the fossil fuels! Also lol at the Aptera derail, oops!
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TheMuffinMan posted:California is stopping the sale of gasoline cars in 2035 California passed a law that takes effect then. California will change that law well before 2035.
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The Aptera's back? I thought that died years ago.
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Concordat posted:The Aptera's back? I thought that died years ago. it did, i think the original founder rebought the equity after it failed and relaunched it
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Oddly optimistic article from the Times, 1 of 3 incoming on the subject. The Clean Energy Future Is Arriving Faster Than You Think
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Is there a tl;don't have a nyt subscription summary for people who can't read that paywalled article?
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aniviron posted:Is there a tl;don't have a nyt subscription summary for people who can't read that paywalled article? It showed fine for me, maybe try private mode? Otherwise there's a snapshot here: https://archive.is/xiVmg
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aniviron posted:Is there a tl;don't have a nyt subscription summary for people who can't read that paywalled article? Archive.is and slam the url in
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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aniviron posted:Is there a tl;don't have a nyt subscription summary for people who can't read that paywalled article? Enabling reader view bypasses it for me
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https://progress.institute/nuclear-power-plant-construction-costs/quote:Why Does Nuclear Power Plant Construction Cost So Much?   Fundamentally, we need much better management in these massive construction projects, and much more predictable regulation. That means much more warning for any nuclear related regulatory changes and more consistency when it comes to new regulations. There's a good argument that the US Navy's nuclear program's secret sauce for keeping nuclear costs down is NOT changing design requirements in the middle of construction and NOT starting construction with an incomplete design and NOT making a new design with each new nuclear reactor.
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Ok can we cross post that to graph crimes. $ / kW is a sensible Y Scale, but why use Cumulative global GW rather than just year.... Yes I understand that it does somewhat take into account plant retirements.
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I think it is far more simply explained by when effective permitting and time based activism really took off. Wind is going up in cost in Germany now, right when NIMBY efforts are biting, pushing out approvals and timelines and consequently a heap of knock on effects that don't look like they are all down to getting a project stuck in consultation/protest challenge limbo.
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A really great and obvious idea for energy production is to cover the water canals with solar panels. This helps less water evaporate and uses up very little added space.
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"A study by the University of California, Merced gives a boost to the idea, estimating that 63 billion gallons of water could be saved by covering California’s 4,000 miles of canals with solar panels that could also generate 13 gigawatts of power. That’s enough for the entire city of Los Angeles from January through early October."
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Part of the problem there is transmission, avoiding environmentally hazardous materials falling into the river, and possibly blocking sunlight to organisms that need it?
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Raenir Salazar posted:Part of the problem there is transmission, avoiding environmentally hazardous materials falling into the river, and possibly blocking sunlight to organisms that need it? to hell with the organisms
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Raenir Salazar posted:Part of the problem there is transmission, avoiding environmentally hazardous materials falling into the river, and possibly blocking sunlight to organisms that need it? maybe there is a good way to filter pure H2O out of the stream of water
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though i kind of like the taste of certain minerals in water
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Farm irrigation canals are not a protected ecosystem, and the entire system in the southwest loses an insane amount of water from evaporation from uncovered canals. Might as well complain about solar farms on parking lots interfering with the native ecosystems and blocking free car heating.
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It may not be protected but it can still be ecologically valuable. It's not a bad thing to think about stuff like that and it's a good point to make, whether or not it ends up affecting the final decision.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Part of the problem there is transmission, avoiding environmentally hazardous materials falling into the river, and possibly blocking sunlight to organisms that need it? I doubt this idea has legs though. Maintenance seems like it would be a PITA.
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cat botherer posted:Preventing algae growth would be a plus I'd think. Big canals have pretty fast flowing water, so I don't think it's normally an issue, but a lot of golf course ponds and stuff go through a lot of effort on algae mitigation (e.g. the weird blue dye). It can cause toxicity issues and crash oxygen levels. wonder if they use copper sulphate (which can be crazy toxic to fish so probably lol) anyway farm runoff is also bad for pushing nutrients and antibiotics into the waterways
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i saw a video over 10 years ago about how orange country in California recycled their water. I think it was greywater. one of the last steps was blasting the water with UV Radiation to help kill the bad stuff. they said the final result was drinkable water.
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mediaphage posted:wonder if they use copper sulphate (which can be crazy toxic to fish so probably lol)
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