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Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

AnEdgelord posted:

It doesn't help that apparently Gav Thorpe gets jealous if other people try to write Eldar novels

It weirds me out how some of the longterm authors have these little fiefdoms where no one else is "allowed" to write eldar or tau or salamanders or whathaveyou

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Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
Reading between the lines the eldar path system seems like extreme trauma induced OCD.

Gotta get these pots just right or Slanesh will eat my soul.

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

Telsa Cola posted:

Reading between the lines the eldar path system seems like extreme trauma induced OCD.

Gotta get these pots just right or Slanesh will eat my soul.

It's a very vulcan thing, but you can replace logic with whatever one task you feel like doing at the time to keep your focus and emotions in check.

There's lots of eldar that keep getting bored and bouncing back and forth from path to path, but as long as they're on some kind of path each time its okay. I like that the true horror isn't losing control of your emotions and falling to slaanesh on the path, it's getting so stuck on a path that you can never change it again. You are pots now. Only pots. You are rightfully respected for your mastery of pot creation and rightfully feared for what you had to give up to attain this level of mastery. You have fallen, but you have fallen to yourself.

I like the path of the dreamer, wherein you become a professional sleepy-person whos job is to sleep a lot, for days at a time. The vibe of a craftworld I get from what little fiction has explored them a lot is a wandering commune of weird artists where everybody's needs are taken care of but they're still sad all the time, and I think that's neat.

Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Aug 9, 2023

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

drat theyre just like me

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Just make a book about an Iyanden Farseer losing brain cells dealing with the batshit insanity of the Biel-Tan, Saim Hann and Ulthwé petitioners arguing over who gets to use the Infinity Circuit next. Iyanden Only Sane Craftworld.

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
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Telsa Cola posted:

Reading between the lines the eldar path system seems like extreme trauma induced OCD.

Gotta get these pots just right or Slanesh will eat my soul.
IMO the Eldar are kind of inspired by a lot asian philosophy, but in a really boring way where that doesn't get all that much explored.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

AnEdgelord posted:

It doesn't help that apparently Gav Thorpe gets jealous if other people try to write Eldar novels

Which is a shame, because he can't write them for poo poo while Farrer definitely can.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

BL should forcibly retire some of the old guard imo.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

They probably have too much sway to really be threatened. Despite the air they want to put up as changed it's still a bit of a old boys club.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/09/the-end-and-the-death-volume-iii-the-final-cover-reveal/
Ah yeah, they revealed the cover for TEATD Vol 3.



Which makes it the fourth iteration of the iconic showdown. As kind of highlighted by GW Twitter;
https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1689290567753048064

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
Is Sanguinius taller than the Emperor in that last one

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Canonically, big E can be a little guy if he so chooses.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Cooked Auto posted:

They probably have too much sway to really be threatened. Despite the air they want to put up as changed it's still a bit of a old boys club.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/09/the-end-and-the-death-volume-iii-the-final-cover-reveal/
Ah yeah, they revealed the cover for TEATD Vol 3.



Which makes it the fourth iteration of the iconic showdown. As kind of highlighted by GW Twitter;
https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1689290567753048064

drat, Terra not looking so good in that one.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Eddy Gonz did a pretty good one:


https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YKLVqb

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
Well, since it's come up, this was on display at GenCon:



It's scratch-built, the mad bastard who made it digitally sculpted the whole thing and then 3d printed it.

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Edit: that's incredible too


That's incredible, yeah. The official one looks a bit goofy and very comic-y

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Sharkopath posted:

I think eldar are unfortunately just one of the least popular factions for the fiction. It's a shame because I think culture wise they have a pretty interesting one with a lot of facets that make it more than just a mashup of other pop culture. Honestly being craftworld seems like one of the more chill ways to live your life in a universe of nightmares, at least until they find you.

I would read a whole book about a craftsman getting lost on the path of pottery.

Seems like Exodite would also be not terrible so long as you weren't getting invaded. Very much a RETVRN type society, though.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

I have always found it interesting that Horus is a lefty

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
The top right will always be THE picture of the showdown.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

CapnAndy posted:

Well, since it's come up, this was on display at GenCon:



It's scratch-built, the mad bastard who made it digitally sculpted the whole thing and then 3d printed it.

Whoah.

The iconic art has always lowkey bothered me because Emp's stance and especially sword grip are kinda hosed. This piece fixes both.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Horus is going to win

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Cooked Auto posted:

They probably have too much sway to really be threatened. Despite the air they want to put up as changed it's still a bit of a old boys club.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/09/the-end-and-the-death-volume-iii-the-final-cover-reveal/
Ah yeah, they revealed the cover for TEATD Vol 3.



Which makes it the fourth iteration of the iconic showdown. As kind of highlighted by GW Twitter;
https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1689290567753048064

I'm a big fan of Neil Roberts. He's illustrated some of my all-time favorite Horus Heresy cover images.

But it baffles me that this image of the Emperor vs Horus moment he did for Visions of Heresy seems to have been wiped out/forgotten because when they reprinted it they used his second illustration of it (the one to the left of the diorama in the Twitter post).



I've always really liked Emps leaping to the side to avoid the terrible downward talon strike from Horus and the incredible surge of energy being expelled, his cloak being torn by Horus's claws and the river of blood and feathers from the recently slain Blood Angels Primarch. Horus's energy field discharging from the Emperors own retaliatory attack.

But I guess the Emperor just looks too nimble or something and they needed another cover.

AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Aug 9, 2023

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I think they wanted Horus to look like he’s winning

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

But they're just facing off in the reprint, which is Zzzzzzz.

vs

Anyway, I'm very glad I have a copy of the first one because it looks rad as heck.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Horus is not hosed up enough. abnett was writing it like the guy was not even recognizable anymore as a human (or super human )

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

AndyElusive posted:

I'm a big fan of Neil Roberts. He's illustrated some of my all-time favorite Horus Heresy cover images.

But it baffles me that this image of the Emperor vs Horus moment he did for Visions of Heresy seems to have been wiped out/forgotten because when they reprinted it they used his second illustration of it (the one to the left of the diorama in the Twitter post).



I've always really liked Emps leaping to the side to avoid the terrible downward talon strike from Horus and the incredible surge of energy being expelled, his cloak being torn by Horus's claws and the river of blood and feathers from the recently slain Blood Angels Primarch.

But I guess the Emperor just looks too nimble or something and they needed another cover.
I love whatever's happening with Horus' armor; he's got a miniature cathedral on top of it for no good reason whatsoever. It helps to drive home how Chaos-ridden he is, that even his armor is turning itself into a place of worship, and I like that it foreshadows what Imperial architecture is going to become.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


euphronius posted:

Horus is not hosed up enough. abnett was writing it like the guy was not even recognizable anymore as a human (or super human )

He's like a black hole with something human-like stretched across it.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I mean I guess they are keen on selling the models so i guess he has to be represented as Euclidean

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


euphronius posted:

I mean I guess they are keen on selling the models so i guess he has to be represented as Euclidean

skill issue

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

GW are too cowardly to make a Horus model that will make my eyes bleed as I scream in terror.

Genghis Cohen
Jun 29, 2013

Sharkopath posted:

I think eldar are unfortunately just one of the least popular factions for the fiction. It's a shame because I think culture wise they have a pretty interesting one with a lot of facets that make it more than just a mashup of other pop culture. Honestly being craftworld seems like one of the more chill ways to live your life in a universe of nightmares, at least until they find you.

I would read a whole book about a craftsman getting lost on the path of pottery.

I think there are a lot of snippets about Craftworld Eldar society that could be cool, but no (good author) has ever filled in the gaps. It sounds interesting that they're kind of post-scarcity, any Eldar can choose to do whatever they want, with some boundaries like the society needs a certain amount of warriors, seers, craftsmen of various types. However all their 'tone', in the absence of any strong vision tying together all the codex snippets, is a really bland and boring 'elves in space' melange. Kind of airy-fairy, lot of contemplating poetry in artificial craftworld meadows. Bit of melancholy aristocracy, last heirs of ancient houses. A dash of pacifistic poets having to become soldiers. It needs some work to imagine how their society and government actually functions, rather than a nebulous socialism with Farseers making strategic decisions and Autarchs appointed for campaigns.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Thunderclaws are loving stupid and I hate them

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

but Lightening Hammers are ok.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

It would be great if Horus won and they started an alternate story line.

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
I think part of the problem with Eldar protagonists is that, even by the standards of grimark, the Eldar are the race of utter loving bastards. It's really hard to root for the guys for whom "geez, I'm on track to be mildly inconvenienced in two hundred years, or... I could condemn billions of innocents to a horrible death" is both a no-brainer to choose the latter option and also a fairly common occurrence.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

CapnAndy posted:

I think part of the problem with Eldar protagonists is that, even by the standards of grimark, the Eldar are the race of utter loving bastards. It's really hard to root for the guys for whom "geez, I'm on track to be mildly inconvenienced in two hundred years, or... I could condemn billions of innocents to a horrible death" is both a no-brainer to choose the latter option and also a fairly common occurrence.

You'd think they're capitalists!

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Aren’t the exodites Chill?

Amish Elves

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE


euphronius posted:

Aren’t the exodites Chill?

Amish Elves

Right up until you try to loot the heart of their World Spirit, just ask Trazyn.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Fearless posted:

Right up until you try to loot the heart of their World Spirit, just ask Trazyn.

Let's be fair. Looting that set off a catastrophic chain of events that killed the planet.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


OPAONI posted:

Let's be fair. Looting that set off a catastrophic chain of events that killed the planet.

a butterfly flapping its wings can set up a chain of consequences that kill an arbitrary number of eldar

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notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

AndyElusive posted:

but Lightening Hammers are ok.

So loving cool

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