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bawfuls posted:which was the last Cy Young decided by W-L record? No I mean it is still given significance even though it has absolutely no significance.
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zoux posted:No I mean it is still given significance even though it has absolutely no significance. I think by 2018 it was pretty much done and dusted, when deGrom had a 1.70 ERA with a 10-9 record, because the Mets *just refused to score runs during his starts*, but he was obviously the best pitcher in the NL by a stretch.
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zoux posted:No I mean it is still given significance even though it has absolutely no significance. I think Arrieta in 2015 and Porcello in 2016 are maybe the last ones to win with a ~Winz~ boost, with the latter being more egregious
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It's always the first listed stat They should also replace ERA if we're being real but that's just because there are better metrics, ERA actually has some probative value.
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Aug 10, 2023 20:01
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anyone got that pic handy of the gm saying they would take the wins?
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bawfuls posted:which was the last Cy Young decided by W-L record? They tend to be WAR and/or ERA leaders now Clemens in 05 for sure, but that's just me being Astros-centric  Also he's a shitbag so whatever gently caress 'im e: I should say Carp, not Clemens, because Carp was the actual winner and Willis had a legit case right there with Clemens
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he's hitting .305 with a .930 OPS is that good?
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bawfuls posted:ah the golden era of bad awards voting! Sutcliffe did have quite a run there after the trade, putting up 3.9 bWAR in 150 IP and 20 starts with the Cubs (he was traded on June 13th). But the 19 year old rookie Dwight Gooden threw 218 IP, posted a lower 2.60 ERA, struck out an MLB-best 276, and ended up with 5.5 bWAR on the year. My favorite thing about Gooden's rookie year is that he set the single-season record for K/9 at the time.
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Gooden's 1990 is an odd duck, he went 19-7 but with a 3.83 ERA (only a 98 ERA+). However, his FIP was a league-leading 2.44. He finished fourth in the CYA voting. An incredibly strange route towards both the Wins guys and the stats dorks agreeing that he was really good.
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https://twitter.com/CodifyBaseball/status/1689701150218665984 https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1689727461330673664 fuckin lmao
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/CodifyBaseball/status/1689701150218665984 
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Overall very happy with how the Astros played the Orioles this series. A drat good road trip against two solid teams. We've just past the hardest part of the schedule.
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Jays are king edgers. Just continuously edging offense nearly every game. Fack.
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Kirios posted:Overall very happy with how the Astros played the Orioles this series. A drat good road trip against two solid teams. (proceeds to get swept by OAK and KC)
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Incitatus posted:(proceeds to get swept by OAK and KC) Wouldn't be the first time that sort of thing has happened Hell we got swept by the Tigers earlier this season
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Intruder posted:Wouldn't be the first time that sort of thing has happened Don't worry - be happy. Im going to the game Sunday with (some of) my kids - I am going to stalk Orbit until he gives the oldest one a hug.
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Intruder posted:Wouldn't be the first time that sort of thing has happened The 2016 Cubs got swept by the 68-94 Padres. That's baseball, Suzyn
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more falafel please posted:The 2016 Cubs got swept by the 68-94 Padres. That's baseball, Suzyn The 2017 Astros got swept by the 67-95 White Sox so I'm familiar
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Intruder posted:The 2017 Astros got swept by the 67-95 White Sox so I'm familiar hmm i wonder if that's the only time the astros have been swept by the white sox
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DuhSal posted:Jays are king edgers. Just continuously edging offense nearly every game. Fack. at least we split the series. but insanely frustrating, to be sure
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/CodifyBaseball/status/1689701150218665984 God I'm glad the Cubs traded Javy. He's magic everywhere but at the plate.
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more falafel please posted:hmm i wonder if that's the only time the astros have been swept by the white sox rude
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/CodifyBaseball/status/1689701150218665984 The amazing thing is he's actually striking out less this year than in the past - 22.7% vs a career 28% rate.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_2Z6MWtNHU
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Incitatus posted:anyone got that pic handy of the gm saying they would take the wins? I know who said it (Bill Smith, former Minnesota Twins GM), and I know the exact context (Livan Hernandez was a fixture in the rotation with an abysmal ERA, while a post-TJS Liriano lit up AAA), but I cannot find the direct quote anywhere. Also, when Hernandez was released, he was apparently shocked. I read some quote from him acknowledging his terrible ERA, but defending himself on wins. He legitimately believed he was helping the Twins win games. Wins poison the mind.
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Milovan Drecun posted:I know who said it (Bill Smith, former Minnesota Twins GM), and I know the exact context (Livan Hernandez was a fixture in the rotation with an abysmal ERA, while a post-TJS Liriano lit up AAA), but I cannot find the direct quote anywhere. Good memories of Livan. I was at that playoff game where he struck out a crazy number of Braves, like 15 or something. (thanks for reminding me of that  )
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Happy to! You reminded me of Livan too, which was just the kick in the shin I needed
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I hate the fact that I still care about pitcher wins. And to be honest it's like a zeroth-order guess at how good they are. Like James Kaprielian isn't winning ten games even if he doesn't play for Oakland.
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Can someone tell if my memory of this is true or if I have just created it for some reason. I remember Brett Lawrie's 2012 season being nearly worth 8-10 bWAR. Obviously, they have since fixed this. My memory is that this was due to an error in how defensive WAR was being calculated because of the shift, so he was getting credited for making outstanding plays because he wasn't where he "should" be. I can't find anything about this on Google, and now I am wondering what's wrong with my brain.
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Incitatus posted:Good memories of Livan. I was at that playoff game where he struck out a crazy number of Braves, like 15 or something. Kevin Gregg with the strike zone wider than he was
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Twin Cinema posted:Can someone tell if my memory of this is true or if I have just created it for some reason. If i remember correctly he was worth 3 dwar at the all star break and breaking all the models cause of the shift. At some point that season they eliminated shifted defensive plays altogether until they could fix the model.
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mdemone posted:I hate the fact that I still care about pitcher wins. Cristian Javier is 8-2 and has been dogshit for like 2 months  In his last 11 starts he's gone 2-1 e: has anyone tried those dugout mug things? Where they make a cup out of a baseball bat (or rather a cup that looks like one and was never a bat I'm sure) Those look like they're just begging to get knocked over and spilled Intruder fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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Bird in a Blender posted:God I'm glad the Cubs traded Javy. He's magic everywhere but at the plate. IMO be glad he had his peak with the Cubs and got the ring. Your boy got paid for his decline and the Cubs aren't on the hook.
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Kirios posted:IMO be glad he had his peak with the Cubs and got the ring. Your boy got paid for his decline and the Cubs aren't on the hook. It feels bad, man. The Tigers are absolutely going to be stuck with that deal for the duration, but it's not like they have any SS prospects coming through the pipeline (they do have lovely fielding 3B and possible 2B for days though!)
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/CodifyBaseball/status/1689701150218665984 Javy's just totally lost and his only solution when that happens has ever been to swing his way out of it. It sucks to see particularly given how much of a joy he was when he was playing at his peak.
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Javy Baez is a good and honorable player who never cheated and I watched him hit a home run at Wrigley in 2019 which is like 100x better than Fenway so he's good in my book.
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mdemone posted:I hate the fact that I still care about pitcher wins. paul abbot went 17-4 for the m's in 2001 with an ERA of 4.25, FIP of 6.15 and ERA+ of 97
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Sydin posted:Javy's just totally lost and his only solution when that happens has ever been to swing his way out of it. It sucks to see particularly given how much of a joy he was when he was playing at his peak. I bet it was, but it's hardly surprising to see a player who almost entirely relied on his incredible bat speed hit a brick wall as soon as he lost a small step.
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Mr. Fix It posted:paul abbot went 17-4 for the m's in 2001 with an ERA of 4.25, FIP of 6.15 and ERA+ of 97 pfffftttt hahahaha okay I know On the other hand that doesn't happen often. That is pretty insane though.
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There have been multiple 20 game winners with an ERA over 4 Jack Morris did it in '92 with Toronto, finished 5th in Cy Young, had a whip of 1.25, a FIP of 4.51, an ERA of 70. Rick Helling did it with an ERA of 4.41, FIP of 4.34, ERA+ of 109, didn't place. Although he did get mvp votes.
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