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toggle posted:lots of posts overnight He's a drunk with PTSD. So an average veteran
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Aug 10, 2023 22:39
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what has happened to our sweet baby grusch?
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This is a scandal for some reason
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Aug 10, 2023 22:39
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https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1689751776453435393?s=46&t=kgTaX1tYWghEHRRIv1TWCg e: oops I got trolled https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1689752066162372609?s=46&t=kgTaX1tYWghEHRRIv1TWCg
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Aug 10, 2023 22:40
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Whoops! e: i got got ill admit it
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Aug 10, 2023 22:40
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Rorobb posted:https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1689751776453435393?s=46&t=kgTaX1tYWghEHRRIv1TWCg 
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Aug 10, 2023 22:41
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aaaahahahaha
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Aug 10, 2023 22:41
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ken go on system update
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Aug 10, 2023 22:42
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ah well nevertheless
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Aug 10, 2023 22:42
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no!! read the replies!! before it's too late for more of you!!!
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Aug 10, 2023 22:42
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Aug 10, 2023 22:43
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We have all been epically owned, I say with tears in my eyes
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Aug 10, 2023 22:50
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Winkle-Daddy posted:my dad was a kid living on a military base when he saw a ufo with his dad. the base commander(? I don't know military) went door to door that night telling everyone they didn't see anything, and if they think they might have, well, you could be discharged or worse for saying you saw something like that! it's been a few years since I've been able to see my granddad, next time I do I was going to try to get a compete story from him to post here...I don't even know which base he was on. Tell him to fuckin whistle blow!
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Aug 10, 2023 22:54
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Rorobb posted:https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1689751776453435393?s=46&t=kgTaX1tYWghEHRRIv1TWCg It's his smugness in his tweets but his *decorum* in the interviews that really piss me off. He knows exactly what he is doing and is fully on board with his intel daddies using him as they please
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Aug 10, 2023 22:55
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Rorobb posted:https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1689751776453435393?s=46&t=kgTaX1tYWghEHRRIv1TWCg truly something awful
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Aug 10, 2023 23:23
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When you p'nutted but Danger still suckin' [babydicked ego edition]
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Aug 10, 2023 23:48
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sharknado slashfic posted:I think it's most of the country at this point. I'd be more sus if Grusch wasn't an alcoholic.
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Aug 10, 2023 23:51
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if nothing else I’m a kind lover
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Aug 10, 2023 23:51
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I've always been pretty skeptical of people who claim that various agencies are running disinfo campaigns on social media But for the last couple days r/ufos has been having multiple thousand-karma upvoted back-and-forth arguments about a "orbs abduct an airliner" video that is both completely worthless and obviously fake, and then the news is awash again in stories about a peruvian village or whatever the gently caress being attacked by blurry ten foot tall aliens or some poo poo Just like when Grusch initially came forward, all anyone heard about was the las vegas alien story
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Aug 11, 2023 00:02
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Disinfo is like THE name of the game though. It's cheap, it's easy, it works.
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Aug 11, 2023 00:09
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Engorged Pedipalps has issued a correction as of 00:17 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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Aug 11, 2023 00:13
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The govt absolutely goes hard on disinfo and a wacky shitcoat, attempts to discredit certain voices, astroturfed deama, always belies some kind of underlying truth that is desired to be marginalized and obscure Probably are are crash retrievals, the specifics of their nature are ontology breaking in some kind of lovely somehow uninteresting way, but there is enough vested interest in keeping it locked down that some groups are dpubling down on the same gaslighting playbook of the last 3/4 of a century and it sucks + its boring
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Aug 11, 2023 00:15
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The Demilich posted:Disinfo is like THE name of the game though. It's cheap, it's easy, it works. also 4chan larper said thats what space force is for, so it all adds up if you ask me
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Aug 11, 2023 00:17
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Cactus posted:I don't understand why a US intelligence agency would put out such a ham-fisted and obviously desperate attack on Grusch that is of course backfiring. I mean, manipulating people and managing public perception is one of the core things they do. They've either mostly successfully contained the biggest secret humanity has ever had kept from it for seven decades, or they've successfully organised the biggest psy-op in human history for whatever reason - either way it points to the fact they know what they're doing with this stuff, they're good at it. Presumably they have access to more information about human psychology, historical record etc than any other group of humans in history along with a well of resources to match. Presumably they know about things like how the Barbara Streisand effect works, and presumably they are aware of how when you attack someone who is doing something they believe is right that only makes them more determined. I also find it very difficult to believe that they wouldn't be aware of the fact that attacking a military vet for having treatment for PTSD and substance abuse only makes them more sympathetic in the eyes of most of the public, as we're seeing with the reaction to the attack. Intelligence guys aren't smart or clever. They succeed because they have a bottomless budget and there's literally nobody to push back
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Aug 11, 2023 00:20
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The Demilich posted:When you p'nutted but Danger still suckin' [babydicked ego edition] When you already PT but she still SD
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Aug 11, 2023 00:24
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Aug 11, 2023 00:33
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Riot Bimbo posted:The govt absolutely goes hard on disinfo and a wacky shitcoat, attempts to discredit certain voices, astroturfed deama, always belies some kind of underlying truth that is desired to be marginalized and obscure
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Aug 11, 2023 00:36
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What if the government and the aliens are the same
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Aug 11, 2023 00:44
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Riot Bimbo posted:
aliens are real but they can’t gently caress or suck like pfft why bother
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Aug 11, 2023 00:44
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Brain Curry posted:aliens are real but they can’t gently caress or suck like pfft why bother The only virtue is novelty and if this avenue cant provide it, it's not worth going down
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Aug 11, 2023 00:46
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Human.Frank posted:I don't think we can contribute everything we see to the government. It would be easier to run something like this from within a corporation. What we are seeing may well be a power struggle between old school nationalism and new school corporate dystopia
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Aug 11, 2023 00:49
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and, to be clear, we’re rooting for old school nationalism here
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Aug 11, 2023 00:50
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Police state corporate dystopia worst of both worlds bullshit
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Aug 11, 2023 00:51
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Brain Curry posted:aliens are real but they can’t gently caress or suck like pfft why bother they don't need holes cause they mind gently caress each other with telepathy. it's like caligula's throne room in there. just absolute non stop debauchery.
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Aug 11, 2023 00:53
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it was a link to Ken's collaborator's blog but it's so off-topic and personal it felt like I was doxxing a private person rather than linking to the professional work of a journalist tbh
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Aug 11, 2023 01:16
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StrugglingHoneybun posted:When you already PT but she still SD this would be a good addition to the "my girlfriend's husband fights for your freedom" bumper sticker "you're PTin, she's SDin"
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Aug 11, 2023 01:35
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papersack posted:they don't need holes cause they mind gently caress each other with telepathy. it's like caligula's throne room in there. just absolute non stop debauchery. https://www.mentalfloss.com/posts/william-butler-yeats-aleister-crowley-magic-duel
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Aug 11, 2023 01:47
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It's being taken as a given in this thread and elsewhere that this is definitely "just" a smear job by somebody (you suggest maybe not a grand conspiracy going back decades, which is more restrained than some). But there are multiple other angles here. Firstly, it's not actually clear that this information he found was precisely what people were tipping him off about. His description is a little bit rambly, but he mentions that he actually got told a lot of different things about the man, most of them negative, but that something he also got told was to look into ruins with law enforcement. He did not do FOlA requests on every police station in the world, and says he only checked this one because he knew people in the area. But this also implies two possibilities - one that somebody suggesting he looked into police records was speaking generally not that they had specific knowledge, and two that if they did have specific knowledge it's also possible it was for something else and this is just what Klippenstein found. But moving onto the next possibility in the chain, if we take it that this information was known to one or more people, who did know that he might find it and wanted him to, it's not even guaranteed this is "a smear" as in, a deliberate act designed to discredit unjustly. It's also possible that they believed that he should not have kept his security clearance after these incidents, and that it was worth being made public. That's the thrust of the article's thesis statement, so it's worth at least considering this journalist believes it and so too could therefore people he was talking to. The incident reports not just "he has PTSD" or "he got suicidal" (which seems to be the focus of what people want to talk about), but also that he was violent and that it's implied he got drunk a lot / had a substance abuse problem. His ex-wife said he was violent during the first incident. The second incident occurred after his (new wife told him he was an alcoholic and that he needed to seek help for it. Forgetting whether or not you or I think one specific thing or another is worth being on the public record, it's definitely not beyond hard to believe somebody thought it was relevant, and that this could have been a motivating factor. Especially somebody who knew Grusch and maybe had insights into his private behaviour that we do not. Grusch was in the air force and was part of the IC himself, so when we say something like "members of the IC gave information about him", it can just as easily translate to "his former coworkers said X", or "people he interacted a lot with as part of his investigation said Y". But a lot of people are flattening it down and only want to describe it in terms that sound as nefarious as possible.
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Aug 11, 2023 01:59
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Not only was it not a hit job, it was actually correct and good
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Aug 11, 2023 01:59
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The well-known association between drinking a lot and psychotic delusions, and so on
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Aug 11, 2023 02:01
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... nobody gives a poo poo about any of this because the ICIG found his complaint urgent and credible after speaking to firsthand witnesses. those witnesses are not influenced by Mr. Grusch's struggles with ptsd. that's why this is a hit piece. you've completely taken the bait by trying to ascertain what this could mean for credibility when we already have the answer: nothing. if Grusch's testimony was not accompanied by legislation and ICIG investigations we wouldn't be talking about Grusch except to lump him in with folks like Greer who talk crazy with nothing to show.
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