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caelxii
Jun 20, 2003

i am harry posted:

https://apnews.com/article/kentucky-school-bus-delays-jefferson-louisville-8a8e37aa62012c4f53d8d3ddf06dcac9

New school bus routes a ‘disaster,’ Kentucky superintendent admits. Rest of the week cancelled, last kids got home at 10 pm

I hope to god that it comes out that AI was involved in creating the routes.

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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

There are still waves of layoffs happening, it's all public, anyone can see if they look it up, how are the bootlickers getting these rosy figures

Monkey Fracas
Sep 11, 2010

...but then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you!
Grimey Drawer
poo poo jobs up, tolerable jobs down


Lowest unemployment in years!!!!

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
remember in 2009 when they talked about a jobless recovery? well it's like that

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

loquacius posted:

Question for the thread: I've been having a rough time dealing with all the political messaging around the economy being unstoppable right now, due to my personal experience of being unemployed for months and having the hardest job search of my career because the market is flooded with tens of thousands of people who got very publicly laid off this year. Like, it's very obviously not true that unemployment is at its lowest value in decades, because if it was, I wouldn't be struggling to get a job with ten years of experience in my field, and being told by recruiters that it's because there are so many strong applicants in a very competitive market, and seeing nothing but similar stories from other people.

So where the gently caress is this unemployment figure coming from? What book is being cooked here? Something's fishy and I don't have enough education to define it.

The recent reports have shown a ton of part-time jobs being created, while full-time roles were down or stagnant.

Also, the covid pandemic fundamentally altered the workforce. It forced a ton of older workers out (whether due to death, disability, or more often people just deciding it was time to stop working and enter de facto retirement). The impact was much greater on places like meat processing plants, whereas a lot of white color workers just went remote rather than quitting or dying. Anyway, the point is that those old or disabled people don't count as unemployed even if they would prefer to be able to work unless they are actively seeking work.

On top of all that, unemployment has always been defined narrowly to keep the Bad Number as small as possible. It's a cooked figure. Not necessarily in a "new" way, it's just been like that for ages now. You don't count as unemployed if you are scraping by on gig work and part-time scraps, which is a huge sector of the economy.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Xaris posted:

I talked about the ideology of 90s movies before but this is basically a very 90s thing. basically a ton of well-to-do middle class insurance adjusters or w/e having existential crises about "what is life, is this what i'm supposed to be doing?" there's so many

then the 2000s hit and everything took a poo poo with declining material conditions and now no one has time to have existential crises because they don't have money.

Ah yes, the 1999 Middle Class Angst Quadrilogy: Fight Club, American Beauty, The Matrix, and Office Space

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"

skooma512 posted:

Ah yes, the 1999 Middle Class Angst Quadrilogy: Fight Club, American Beauty, The Matrix, and Office Space

only one of those movies holds up.

also you just inadvertently quoted like 35 million millenial dudes okcupid profile lol

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
idk i think office space makes fun of the angst

you can just read graeber instead now though

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

loquacius posted:

Question for the thread: I've been having a rough time dealing with all the political messaging around the economy being unstoppable right now, due to my personal experience of being unemployed for months and having the hardest job search of my career because the market is flooded with tens of thousands of people who got very publicly laid off this year. Like, it's very obviously not true that unemployment is at its lowest value in decades, because if it was, I wouldn't be struggling to get a job with ten years of experience in my field, and being told by recruiters that it's because there are so many strong applicants in a very competitive market, and seeing nothing but similar stories from other people.

So where the gently caress is this unemployment figure coming from? What book is being cooked here? Something's fishy and I don't have enough education to define it.

Prof Wolff has the breakdown. First 6 minutes or so.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZqyx7YpsKQ

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

Ammanas posted:

only one of those movies holds up.

also you just inadvertently quoted like 35 million millenial dudes okcupid profile lol

fight club is still a good movie if you completely separate it from the ensuing decades of cringe


shoulda adapated Guts instead

netizen
Jun 25, 2023
I unironically still like all those movies lol.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Thanks guys. This all helps a lot :tipshat:

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

fight club is still a good movie if you completely separate it from the ensuing decades of cringe


shoulda adapated Guts instead

I still hope that one day they’ll do Survivor but a protagonist who hijacks a plane is probably an eternal no no.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Here's what the DoL says about who's getting the new jobs:

quote:

In July, health care added 63,000 jobs, compared with the average monthly gain of
51,000 in the prior 12 months. Over the month, job growth occurred in ambulatory health
care services (+35,000), hospitals (+16,000), and nursing and residential care facilities
(+12,000).

Social assistance added 24,000 jobs in July, in line with the average monthly gain of
23,000 in the prior 12 months. Individual and family services added 19,000 jobs over
the month.

Employment in financial activities increased by 19,000 in July. The industry had added
an average of 16,000 jobs per month in the second quarter of the year, after employment
was essentially flat in the first quarter. Over the month, a job gain in real estate and
rental and leasing (+12,000) was partially offset by a loss in commercial banking (-3,000).

In July, employment in wholesale trade increased by 18,000, after showing little net
change in recent months.

Employment in the other services industry continued to trend up in July (+20,000), compared with the average monthly gain of 15,000 over the prior 12 months. Employment in personal and laundry services continued to trend up over the month (+11,000). Employment in other services remains below its pre-pandemic February 2020 level by 53,000, or 0.9 percent.

Construction employment continued to trend up in July (+19,000), in line with the average
monthly gain of 17,000 in the prior 12 months. Over the month, job growth occurred in
residential specialty trade contractors (+13,000) and in nonresidential building construction
(+11,000).

In July, employment in leisure and hospitality was little changed (+17,000). The industry
has shown little employment change in recent months, following average monthly gains of 67,000 in the first quarter of the year. Employment in leisure and hospitality remains
below its February 2020 level by 352,000, or 2.1 percent.

Employment in professional and business services changed little in July (-8,000). Monthly job growth in the industry had averaged 38,000 in the prior 12 months. Employment in temporary help services continued to trend down over the month (-22,000) and is down by 205,000 since its peak in March 2022. Employment in professional, scientific, and technical services continued to trend up in July (+24,000).

Employment showed little change over the month in other major industries, including mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction; manufacturing; retail trade; transportation and warehousing; information; and government.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

holefoods posted:

I still hope that one day they’ll do Survivor but a protagonist who hijacks a plane is probably an eternal no no.

Has anyone made the DB Cooper story into a movie?

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1689823988682280960?s=20

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

skooma512 posted:

Ah yes, the 1999 Middle Class Angst Quadrilogy: Fight Club, American Beauty, The Matrix, and Office Space

interesting that these prefigured the eventual lines of flight for a lot of dissatisfied people in response to the villain they all share (the anomie induced by algorithmic capital). in order, we have becoming a RETVRN groyper, becoming a FYGM grill-pilled suburban CHUD, becoming a queer militant, and coming to the realization that being a computer touching seat filler is vastly inferior on a moral and psychic level to actually being materially productive and learning useful capital L Labor skills.

AloePieceOfShit
Jan 26, 2020
This popped up in my google feed:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/rural-montana-housing-crisis-supply/674950/

quote:

In 2015, a physical therapist named Nathan Dugan moved to Whitefish, Montana, and fell in love with the place. How could you not? The glaciers, the pine air, the small-town feel. Whitefish was always expensive: When he first got there, Dugan camped on and off for a month before he found an affordable home. But it got far more expensive during the pandemic, when wealthy retirees and digital nomads flooded the tiny town’s tiny housing market. Out-of-staters were making cash offers on homes, sight unseen. Airbnbs started going for Bay Area prices. Rentals dried up. This has become a familiar story across America, where the housing crisis has gotten so severe that even rural communities in northern Montana are feeling the pinch.

Here’s another familiar story: Seeking to capitalize on the real-estate gold rush, a developer proposed building a handsome 318-unit community just north of downtown, on Whitefish Lake. The property would include a series of low-slung apartment buildings and townhomes, including units reserved for low-income families. Whitefish’s residents freaked. Hundreds submitted letters to the town’s planning committee. Local philanthropists, some billionaires, reportedly threatened to pull their support from local nonprofits if city officials did not nix the proposal. Nearly 200 people showed up at a marathon public meeting, one of several, to argue about, and mostly against, the project: It would look too tall, pollute the lake, pollute the night sky with light, change the neighborhood’s character, stress the community’s schools and medical services, destroy wildlife habitats, and increase traffic, which would interrupt snow plows and endanger families fleeing from forest fires. The town rejected the proposal.

Dugan was at that meeting and left incensed. “There’s a gut reaction in places like this: All development is bad, and we need to stop any development to maintain what we have,” he told me. “But the people who showed up to that meeting were all older and generally very wealthy.” They made it sound like the new development would ruin their lives, he said. But those people were doing fine. They already had a home in Whitefish.

Here’s where things get different. NIMBYs have throttled the supply of homes across the country. In Montana, the state government was not just paying attention but primed to do something about it. At the same time that Dugan was steaming over his neighbors in Whitefish, analysts in Helena were worrying about the displacement of middle-class families, and politicians in Bozeman were hearing complaints about long commutes. “I can’t do a town hall in any community in Montana and not have the affordability of housing come up,” Governor Greg Gianforte told me. “Housing prices have just been out of control.”

Last July, Gianforte created a housing task force, bringing together homebuilders, politicians, experts, and advocates, including Dugan, who had gone on to found a housing nonprofit called Shelter WF. In October, the group delivered a series of proposals to state officials; in December, to local officials. Montana’s legislature debated a set of bills based on those recommendations. Then it passed them this spring. The state transformed its land-use policies. It set itself up for dense development. It did this on a bipartisan basis and at warp speed.

Montana’s just one state. But it did something—and maybe enough—to fix its housing crisis.

Over the past decade and change, the country’s housing shortage has spread from coastal cities to suburbs and satellite cities to rural communities and small towns in the Mountain West, the plains, the interior South. Fannie Mae estimates that the country needs 4.4 million more homes. The National Association of Realtors puts the number at 5.5 million. But the country is not building enough homes to close the gap, or even keep up with population growth.

Millions of families are stuck in apartments they do not want to live in, paying prices they cannot afford. Eventually, many decamp for low-cost, low-wage regions of the country. “Even before the pandemic, there was an increasing trend of people leaving expensive coastal areas like San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York for more affordable places,” Daryl Fairweather, the chief economist at Redfin, told me. “Then the pandemic hit, and the trend accelerated.”

In recent years, that migration has buoyed or battered Montana, depending on how you look at it. The state’s population surged 1.6 percent from mid-2020 to mid-2021, faster than that of 47 other states. Montana added nearly 20,000 residents while it permitted just 3,000 new single-unit homes. Home prices climbed by nearly 50 percent in a matter of months.

When the pandemic hit, Montana already had a housing shortage; in fact, it had a few of them. First, a dilapidation problem. Building new housing in Montana’s rural reaches is expensive, which leaves many residents occupying decaying and at times dangerous units. (This is a particular problem on Montana’s American Indian reservations.) “If you look at population numbers and counts of housing units in these rural places, it doesn’t look that bad,” Andrew Aurand of the National Low Income Housing Coalition told me. “But when you look at the quality of the housing, the safety of the housing, and the extent to which families are doubling up, the housing crisis is severe.”

Second, the tight market in resort, gateway, and second-home communities. Coastal-city billionaires and rich retirees keep buying up ranches and lodges in Montana. Their shmancy consumer spending creates jobs. But the people working those jobs end up living in campers close by or in homes far, far away, because there is just not enough housing.

Third, a shortage of affordable homes in Montana’s population centers, such as Billings and Missoula. “The math does not work” for homebuilders to create low-income housing anywhere in the country absent government subsidies, Jeffrey Lubell, the director of housing and community initiatives for Abt Associates, told me. The math especially does not work in Montana, where frozen ground shortens the construction season, and where a lack of skilled tradespeople drives up costs.

These problems collided with the state’s pandemic-era population surge. “I started looking around and thinking, Holy cow, prices are going up,” Christopher Dorrington, the director of the Montana Department of Environmental Quality and the chair of Gianforte’s housing task force, told me. The state suddenly had a noticeable homeless population; town squares and vacant lots filled with tents in the summertime. All but the very wealthiest families started feeling strained. “You couldn’t move, because supply was so short,” Adam Hertz, a real-estate developer and former member of Montana’s house, told me.

Gianforte said that the answer was obvious to him: Montana had a supply crisis. It needed a supply solution. His task force soon figured out how to get Montana more housing: Make it possible for folks to build housing units by right, rather than having every development go through a miserable, expensive process of negotiation. Encourage dense development in already dense areas. Cut red tape. Indeed, Montana already had pretty loose building regulations, and legislators loosened them even further—functionally banning single-family zoning and preventing towns and cities from adding onerous zoning policies, among many other changes and investments.

“We obviously did not anticipate being able to get the big wins we did,” Kendall Cotton, the founder of the local think tank the Frontier Institute and a driving force behind the housing bills, told me. “We thought maybe there might be one bill that passed. We ended up getting almost everything that we were asking for.”

Montana’s policies aren’t perfect. There still isn’t enough incentive for developers to create low-income housing units, experts told me. Housing costs won’t decline immediately, because building takes time (and because high interest rates have frozen the development pipeline). Montana has weak tenant protections and too few resources for struggling renters, antipoverty advocates said.

Still, housing experts around the country are cheering. Montana now arguably has the most pro-development, pro-housing set of policies of any state. How did this policy phenomenon happen, and so fast?

The explanation has something to do with the nature of Montana’s housing crisis, and something to do with the nature of Montana itself. The fact that so many people in such a small state found themselves affected at once pushed legislators to act. “We were victims of our own success,” Hertz, the developer and former state representative, told me. “We’ve been having all of these discussions about how to get people to move to Montana and start a business here: How do we get more tourism in Montana? How do we get tech businesses here? We got the demand, and wow, we got caught totally flat-footed on the supply side.”

Politics, for once, helped too. Montana had lower housing prices and fewer roadblocks to development than other states to begin with. Republicans with a strong libertarian streak, like Gianforte himself, are a powerful bloc, and happen to be the kind of folks thrilled to slash red tape. Joining them were anti-sprawl environmentalists, student activists, urban-density advocates, real-estate developers, and antipoverty liberals, creating a coalition spanning from the far left to the far right. The fact that Gianforte pushed so hard on the issue and that Montana’s legislature meets only once every two years put more pressure on those elected officials to get something big done.

Yet perhaps the biggest motivating factor—one mentioned by nearly every Montanan I spoke with—was California. Montana did not want sprawl ruining its wildlands, as happened in the Central Valley and along the Pacific Coast. Montana did not want San Francisco’s sky-high inequality and huge homeless population. Montana did not want middle-class families squeezed out, as they were in Oakland and San Diego. Montana did not want to throttle its own economy, as the Bay Area did.

“If you have single-family zoning and bury your head, you will eventually face San Francisco’s problems. It’s not just the high cost of housing. It’s a high cost of living, wealth inequality, homelessness, and crime,” Fairweather of Redfin said. “All cities should look at San Francisco as an example of what happens when you do nothing.” Montana did, benefiting from California’s missteps and learning from its YIMBY advocates.

Many other communities are doing the same. Washington and Maine are banning single-family zoning, as Oregon did in 2019. A number of cities are allowing single-room-occupancy buildings, getting rid of parking minimums, and letting homeowners build second properties on their lots. YIMBY groups are blanketing the country, pushing for denser development. Dugan’s is one of them. He’s hopeful that the state’s new policies will increase the housing supply in Whitefish, where he and his partner just—finally—bought a home.

I hope this isn't a preview of the "solution" for the housing crisis. Not having single-family zoning is a fine starting point, but it seems like nothing is gonna be done about standards for the eventual units or Airbnb/wealthy out of staters from buying everything that isn't an apartment

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

loquacius posted:

Question for the thread: I've been having a rough time dealing with all the political messaging around the economy being unstoppable right now, due to my personal experience of being unemployed for months and having the hardest job search of my career because the market is flooded with tens of thousands of people who got very publicly laid off this year. Like, it's very obviously not true that unemployment is at its lowest value in decades, because if it was, I wouldn't be struggling to get a job with ten years of experience in my field, and being told by recruiters that it's because there are so many strong applicants in a very competitive market, and seeing nothing but similar stories from other people.

So where the gently caress is this unemployment figure coming from? What book is being cooked here? Something's fishy and I don't have enough education to define it.

Source: They made it the gently caress up


THEY ALL DO

Penisaurus Sex
Feb 3, 2009

asdfghjklpoiuyt
Hope?

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
why even have online applications at this point jesus loving christ


Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




there are a lot of jobs where folks can’t afford to live off those jobs.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
offer somebody with an Associates Degree in IT a Custodial job



because this is georgia

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

AloePieceOfShit posted:

This popped up in my google feed:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/rural-montana-housing-crisis-supply/674950/

I hope this isn't a preview of the "solution" for the housing crisis. Not having single-family zoning is a fine starting point, but it seems like nothing is gonna be done about standards for the eventual units or Airbnb/wealthy out of staters from buying everything that isn't an apartment

i like it

treating "building our way out of a housing shortage" as a bad thing is weird asf

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




one can get a 20 an hour job here, but one cannot live or commute on 20 an hour here.

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Has anyone made the DB Cooper story into a movie?

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

skooma512 posted:

Ah yes, the 1999 Middle Class Angst Quadrilogy: Fight Club, American Beauty, The Matrix, and Office Space
not exclusively 1999 but in addition to the quadrilogy i also loop in groundhog day, being john malkovich, trainspotting, the burbs, office space, the game, maybe 13th floor, etc all in that 90s "life is good but im unsatisfied?!!? is this all there is?" hollow success existentialism

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


the 90s were building towards the peak of the dotcom bubble so it's not terribly surprising

there's a lot more cynicism about the 2019-2021 zirp meme bubbles so, again, not terribly surprising that we're not seeing a comparable cultural output here. instead it's all mutant apes and bitcoin and GME

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

AloePieceOfShit posted:

Politics, for once, helped too. Montana had lower housing prices and fewer roadblocks to development than other states to begin with. Republicans with a strong libertarian streak, like Gianforte himself, are a powerful bloc, and happen to be the kind of folks thrilled to slash red tape. Joining them were anti-sprawl environmentalists, student activists, urban-density advocates, real-estate developers, and antipoverty liberals, creating a coalition spanning from the far left to the far right. The fact that Gianforte pushed so hard on the issue and that Montana’s legislature meets only once every two years put more pressure on those elected officials to get something big done.

Love 2 see cross-partisan alliances. :swoon:

sleep with the vicious
Apr 2, 2010

loquacius posted:

Question for the thread: I've been having a rough time dealing with all the political messaging around the economy being unstoppable right now, due to my personal experience of being unemployed for months and having the hardest job search of my career because the market is flooded with tens of thousands of people who got very publicly laid off this year. Like, it's very obviously not true that unemployment is at its lowest value in decades, because if it was, I wouldn't be struggling to get a job with ten years of experience in my field, and being told by recruiters that it's because there are so many strong applicants in a very competitive market, and seeing nothing but similar stories from other people.

So where the gently caress is this unemployment figure coming from? What book is being cooked here? Something's fishy and I don't have enough education to define it.

The numbers are all obvious bullshit and political propaganda for the rich, op, hth

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

:raise:

quote:

The average monthly rent in Manhattan rose to a record $5,588 in the month of July as inflation and higher interest rates push rental prices to new record levels, according to a report from Miller Samuel and Douglas Elliman.

Manhattan’s new average monthly rent of $5,588 is up more than 9 percent from last year, when rent was $5,113, according to the report. The median rental price also reached a new high of nearly $4,400, up more than 6 percent from last year, marking the fourth time in five months Manhattan has hit a record. The report found the average rental price per square foot also increased 4.3 percent over the past year to a new high of $84.74.

The new average rental price is $3,278 for a studio, $4,443 for a one-bedroom, $6,084 for a two-bedroom, and $10,673 for a three-bedroom, the report found.


New lease signings slipped by 6 percent, excluding renewals, as the market approaches its seasonal summer peak, according to the report. The vacancy rate was 2.63 percent, just below the 2.78 percent average.

The increases follow a survey from the Economist Intelligence Unit at the end of last year that found New York City tied as the world’s most expensive city to live in, sharing the top spot with Singapore.

The report broke down the median rental prices across Manhattan and found prices were highest in downtown Manhattan with a median rental price of $4,950, compared to the lowest prices in northern Manhattan with a median price of $2,925. The median rental price for the Eastside was $4,120 while the Westside was $4,400. All four sections edged higher compared to last year’s prices, the report said.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1689799260685094912?s=20

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014




has this dude ever seen what the inside of the colosseum actually looks like

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022


I am now convinced this world is a simulation of the dumbest possible reality and I must do everything I can to escape from it

meanolmrcloud
Apr 5, 2004

rock out with your stock out

holefoods posted:

I am now convinced this world is a simulation of the dumbest possible reality and I must do everything I can to escape from it

yea



it sucks

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003



mama mia

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


triple sulk posted:

has this dude ever seen what the inside of the colosseum actually looks like

I thought half the floor was restored to as it was in ancient times at least

zucc, its in the colloseum, that means you have carte blanche my friend

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNwaeUI4IRw

Doug reviews a Chinese luxury car and is shocked that it looks as nice as anything Germany or Japan can make

I'm excited to see more and more of this over the next decade

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Xaris posted:

not exclusively 1999 but in addition to the quadrilogy i also loop in groundhog day, being john malkovich, trainspotting, the burbs, office space, the game, maybe 13th floor, etc all in that 90s "life is good but im unsatisfied?!!? is this all there is?" hollow success existentialism

Trainspotting has that in the opening and closing monologues, but I feel Trainspotting differs from the others in that other than the 2 monologues and voiceovers alluding to the boredom that drove them to do it, the film depicts the drug addicts and their lives aren't exactly great. They live in Scotland and it's shite, so they turns to drugs. Many of the other such movies are about people who actually do have it pretty good already and have that hollow success, which I suppose Trainspotting is an aspirational version of.

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Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

ty for proof that the p r e m i u m consumer remains healthy

honestly dont know why they dont just charge like 10k a month for manhattan, rioch people will pay no matter what to live there apparently

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