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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i don't even think they have the logistics to pull off "standby"

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Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/detroitrbg/status/1689306247881695234?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA

dunno if that’s what the guy is saying because I don’t speak Frank.
"We don't fully know what happened yet but we talked with some western countries and apparently France unilaterally attacked a prison and freed 16 terrorist leaders we spent the last months arresting." He also makes the whole operation to attack the prison sounds extremely cool and efficient, describing an army commando in an airbus flying with its flight tracker off at low altitude straight to the prison to liberate anti-government terrorists. So honestly, it make me half doubt my country could manage to have done it so well but hey, maybe it's true. It's basically "french ninjas are destroying our country."

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Votskomit posted:

God dammit, I have to watch this, because I saw some of it happen myself.

I got Phumzile Van Damme (former member of the opposition party) to follow me on twitter. She seemed to respond well to anti-colonial and anti-racist takes, despite her strong lib tendency. Then she founded this "anti-misinformation" think tank.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...n-on-fake-news/

A bit later in 2022/23, she suddenly started focusing heavily on Russian influence and misinformation in Africa. I would prod her about the the fact that she doesn't seem to do the same for European and American Imperialism in Africa. Shortly thereafter, she went to Washington and got an award from Anthony Blinken and attended an event with Hillary. I made a tweet about how disappointed I was, that her sudden focus on Russia made a lot of sense now, and she blocked me immediately.

I gotta say, it sucks to see the USA scoop up your local influential people and dig their claws in. It feels suddenly very real, and very surreal, and scary. Colour revolutions happen "over there", not in my own country.

But of course, eventually that's no longer true.

drat, that's a depressing story.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

mawarannahr posted:

this is interesting. has the world bank cited its values while dealing with a country before?
World Bank Halts New Lending to Uganda Over Anti-LGBTQ Law

https://twitter.com/homoluigi/status/1689724278864793600?t=TSjFfx2EBs0xKkhyEUzRKw&s=19

Gettin real tired of this "agency" poo poo

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

you're deplatforming lived experiences sweaty

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Votskomit posted:

A bit later in 2022/23, she suddenly started focusing heavily on Russian influence and misinformation in Africa. I would prod her about the the fact that she doesn't seem to do the same for European and American Imperialism in Africa. Shortly thereafter, she went to Washington and got an award from Anthony Blinken and attended an event with Hillary. I made a tweet about how disappointed I was, that her sudden focus on Russia made a lot of sense now, and she blocked me immediately.

Look on the bright side, you can say you knew your country's Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya personally, before she started got on the cover of TIME for leading street protests against the regime.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

HallelujahLee posted:

that moron that leads nigeria couldnt even get his own party to support a war lol theres on-going strikes massive economic issues and who knows what else in nigeria at the moment

I’ve seen the #EndNigeria hashtag a lot, I wonder if it’s only a modern day Biafra thing or are there any other groups who are sick of the federal government. Previously I saw it in conjunction with #EndSARS, did they ever do that yet I wonder

https://twitter.com/jboy02675747/status/1687549849732792321
https://twitter.com/muchtalksblog1/status/1689701183860973568

No idea what’s going on here

https://twitter.com/koikimedia/status/1339090029381967872

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Proxies in motion, tinder lit, stacks of hay dry.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
hoping for a quick and decisive french/us L

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/10/west-african-leaders-activate-standby-force-to-put-pressure-on-junta-in-niger

quote:

After Tinubu spoke, an official communique was read out, which included a resolution asking the bloc’s defence officials to “activate the Ecowas standby force with all its elements immediately”.

Another resolution spoke of ordering “the deployment of the Ecowas standby force to restore constitutional order in the Republic of Niger”, immediately followed by another that spoke of restoring such order “through peaceful means”.

yeah, not really sure what's going on

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Centrist Committee posted:

hoping for a quick and decisive french/us L

Depends on who makes life difficult for whom. I suspect. NATO & USA materials are already spent or reserved for other conflicts. Light infantry, commando raids, maybe.

I can see the supply of gold & uranium being disrupted for some time, since this is all just a resource grab.

Niger is less a factor than say, Algeria.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Maximo Roboto posted:

I’ve seen the #EndNigeria hashtag a lot, I wonder if it’s only a modern day Biafra thing or are there any other groups who are sick of the federal government. Previously I saw it in conjunction with #EndSARS, did they ever do that yet I wonder

https://twitter.com/jboy02675747/status/1687549849732792321
the anti-police movement didn't really go anywhere. it was mostly from the lagos and abuja intelligentsia that were on facebook. this is a pic from california
"bomb the pipeline project that will" etc, non-credible rhetoric. nigerian oil comes from igbo areas.
the poster here is an igbo nationalist. it's a biafra thing. look up #IPOB, they stir some poo poo nowadays but are based in london and only hit notes with edgy teens educated outside nigeria
insane poo poo. yoruba nationalism is basically nonexistant. nice tweet from three years ago i guess

i say swears online has issued a correction as of 05:48 on Aug 11, 2023

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

The ECOWAS standby force seems to be less than 3000 people so unless it's used to draw the Nigerian state into the conflict by getting a bunch of Nigerian troops killed I don't see how useful it will be. I guess it could be used under a NATO air umbrella.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️
so, nafo operator brains

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

it's a bluff

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
https://twitter.com/Africa_Archives/status/1685395470875873280?s=20

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

mawarannahr posted:

this is interesting. has the world bank cited its values while dealing with a country before?
World Bank Halts New Lending to Uganda Over Anti-LGBTQ Law

Par for the course as certain issue motivated individuals grow older and end up in certain decision making positions. It'll be just one of many vaguely similar in time.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to1ngiM-Y0g

Thank you Jimmys Dores. The USA is not yet calling Niger a coup. 15 hours ago.

France is bombing it though. Apparently.

Yellowcake and gold baby. Quite a motivator.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
If France can't keep getting cheap (below market rates) gold and more specifically, uranium (because corruption), they won't be able to fuel their nuclear energy grid for pennies on the dollar while also exporting energy to the rest of the EU at premium prices. In other words their GDP will be hosed, their credit rating will be hosed and their whole economy is fundamentally powered by colonial slavery & exploitation. So they are extremely motivated to put the... oh we don't say that word any more... back in their places.

I love it.

Cradle of western civilisation folks.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

DancingShade posted:

Yellowcake and gold baby. Quite a motivator.

if it gets to goldbelly, that's trouble

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

gradenko_2000 posted:

if it gets to goldbelly, that's trouble

Only the 7th largest producer. It's probably only France making GBS threads bricks while everyone else looks on and laughs.

Those silly snail eaters.

(no offense French ordinary people, you're great, but your leadership over history I make no comment)

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

Nigeria is basically a Greater Yorubaland geographically, so Yoruba secession would just kind of turn the country into a donut. Politically however, the rulership of the country is pretty mixed. It has a powerful faction of Hausa-Fulani people in the military due to the british designating them the local Martial People and using them as enforcers, and also being the largest ethnic group. So alot of Nigerias leaders, probably the majority, have been from the Muslim groups in the north. The bourgeois of Nigeria, who are largely Yoruba/Igbo, resent having to kowtow these people for a few reasons. One, not their group. Two, the north is extremely undeveloped, and the popular narrative in the south is that all the Muslim groups are parasites with a million children who live off the government teat, so Muh Taxes psychosis applies.

This is basically the Nigerian equivalent of some facebook boomer screaming that lazy mexicans are gonna establish the empire of Aztlan or something. Sokoto Caliphate 2, in this case.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

i say swears online posted:

insane poo poo. yoruba nationalism is basically nonexistant. nice tweet from three years ago i guess

I threw it in to illustrate that it’s a hashtag that’s existed for a while now. And that it’s been used by non-Igbos as well I guess

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

yeah afaik IPOB is the only active separatist movement nowadays and even then it's limited to edgy intelligentsia and expats

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Zedhe Khoja posted:

It has a powerful faction of Hausa-Fulani people in the military due to the british designating them the local Martial People and using them as enforcers

The Victorians were obsessed with them. Not to the same degree as the Sikhs, highland Scots and people of Northern India, but close. The reason why is interesting and you can see why it touched on everything the British liked to think about themselves at the hight of Victorian Medievalism: The African Knights

In the 19th century the eastern Savannah (now divided between the countries of Nigeria, Niger, Mali, and Cameroon) was one of the most neglected parts of the African continent, and yet at the same time one of the most culturally sophisticated. During this period warfare among the peoples of the eastern Savannah, and in particular the three most significant native states – the Sokoto Caliphate, the ancient kingdom of Bornu, and the somewhat less ancient state of Bagirmi – was largely dominated by cavalry, and a significant proportion of these mounted troops were armoured. This groundbreaking book covers the period that began with the Sokoto jihad in 1804 and ended with the extinction of the Savannah states by the European colonial powers at the turn of the 20th century. In addition to providing a brief outline history of the three states, it examines in detail the arms, equipment and methods of warfare used by their armoured ‘knights’ and infantry, and includes in addition sections on their horses, artillery, flags, fortifications, and clothing. It is illustrated throughout with contemporary photographs and engravings.




Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 15:11 on Aug 11, 2023

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

DancingShade posted:

Only the 7th largest producer. It's probably only France making GBS threads bricks while everyone else looks on and laughs.

Those silly snail eaters.

(no offense French ordinary people, you're great, but your leadership over history I make no comment)
Well none taken really, but i feel kinda bad for your over optimistic jerk feast because they will just go "how many of those central we were supposed to renovate at high cost can we turn into Thorium nuclear plant?" and only Africa is going to get gently caress over by that move. Yeah also if you tell Germany they won't get electricity anymore otherwise, they may even end up paying for it (as long as it's not in their country).

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

i say swears online posted:

insane poo poo. yoruba nationalism is basically nonexistant. nice tweet from three years ago i guess
Well, there are still border disputes between Cameroon and Nigeria over the oil rich region in Nigeria with anglophone ethnic Cameroonians. But yeah, that's poo poo is super silly.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i've always wanted to visit that border area, it's one of only two places in nigeria with decent elevation.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I have a copy of Algeria: Anger of the Dispossessed in the mail, but can anyone provide a quick explanation of the Algerian Civil War and how it relates to the Arab Spring and events in Sahel?

"After liberating itself from French colonial rule in one of the twentieth century’s most brutal wars of independence, Algeria became a standard-bearer for the non-aligned movement. By the 1990s, however, its revolutionary political model had collapsed, degenerating into a savage conflict between the military and Islamist guerillas that killed some 200,000 citizens. In this lucid and gripping account, Martin Evans and John Phillips explore Algeria’s recent and very bloody history, demonstrating how the high hopes of independence turned into anger as young Algerians grew increasingly alienated. Unemployed, frustrated by the corrupt military regime, and excluded by the West, the post-independence generation needed new heroes, and some found them in Osama bin Laden and the rising Islamist movement. Evans and Phillips trace the complex roots of this alienation, arguing that Algeria’s predicament—political instability, pressing economic and social problems, bad governance, a disenfranchised youth—is emblematic of an arc of insecurity stretching from Morocco to Indonesia. Looking back at the pre-colonial and colonial periods, they place Algeria’s complex present into historical context, demonstrating how successive governments have manipulated the past for their own ends. The result is a fractured society with a complicated and bitter relationship with the Western powers—and an increasing tendency to export terrorism to France, America, and beyond."

My understanding is that after 1991, Pan-Arabism and socialism faded away and the US started trying to pick off strong states in Africa, but I can't say I know much about it. For example, there's a passage in the preview I can't wrap my head around:

"By autumn 1997 the sheer scale of the violence in Algeria had become impossible for the international community to ignore. On 30 September Mary Robinson, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, made a public plea calling for an end to bloodshed. Two weeks later four human rights organizations – Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Fédération Internationale des Ligues des Droits de l’Homme and Reporters sans Frontières – called for a special UN session on Algeria and the establishment of an independent international inquiry into the massacres, a demand that was backed up by the United States on 5 January 1998. On 19 January a European Union delegation made a visit to see the situation on the ground."

"In the midst of all this international attention there was much that was puzzling. Why, for example, was the army incapable of intervening to protect its citizens even though some units were stationed in barracks just a few hundred yards away from the massacres? Why had kidnappers been able to abduct a group of mostly elderly Roman Catholic monks from their monastery at Tibhirine under the noses of soldiers deployed at a nearby post? Some began to ask if insiders within the military regime were manipulating the bloodshed in order to sabotage any attempts at dialogue with the Islamist guerrillas."

Who are the sides to these wars and why are they being fought? It's all pretty confusing to an outsider.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

all i know is that the army was pretty pissed off about the algerian war and successfully overthrew the 4th republic in '58, then failed to force de gaulle to keep the war going in '61

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1690044299004588039?s=20

DiscountDildos
Nov 8, 2017

https://twitter.com/pmillerinfo/status/1689886421467697152?s=20

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be


african guantanamo

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Megamissen posted:

african guantanamo

imagine how much peace might break out across africa without the west funding both sides of myriad ethnic and regional conflicts, you don’t want to risk it

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

watching a couple american streamers walk around riyadh for the first time and it looks like the most boring place on the planet. everyone just hangs out at the mall. they're at a loving cheesecake factory

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Frosted Flake posted:

The Victorians were obsessed with them. Not to the same degree as the Sikhs, highland Scots and people of Northern India, but close. The reason why is interesting and you can see why it touched on everything the British liked to think about themselves at the hight of Victorian Medievalism: The African Knights

In the 19th century the eastern Savannah (now divided between the countries of Nigeria, Niger, Mali, and Cameroon) was one of the most neglected parts of the African continent, and yet at the same time one of the most culturally sophisticated. During this period warfare among the peoples of the eastern Savannah, and in particular the three most significant native states – the Sokoto Caliphate, the ancient kingdom of Bornu, and the somewhat less ancient state of Bagirmi – was largely dominated by cavalry, and a significant proportion of these mounted troops were armoured. This groundbreaking book covers the period that began with the Sokoto jihad in 1804 and ended with the extinction of the Savannah states by the European colonial powers at the turn of the 20th century. In addition to providing a brief outline history of the three states, it examines in detail the arms, equipment and methods of warfare used by their armoured ‘knights’ and infantry, and includes in addition sections on their horses, artillery, flags, fortifications, and clothing. It is illustrated throughout with contemporary photographs and engravings.






Somali is incorrect, he’s missing the white turban (from where the word Dubat comes from) and the rosary of the Qadariya Order.

This from the dubat soldiers of WW2 but the uniform is close enough, given that both the Italians and British copied it.





Also the Sayyid did not preach jihad against the British, originally he started off by fighting the Abyssinians, the British got involved later because a corrupt British officer sold him weapons and claimed that he stole it and then 300,000 people died.

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002
On thing to remember, is about 2.5 million people, only 10% of the Niger (fixed) population came out to actively vote for the last president (even 20% had actively voted for Trump). His base of support was/is actually pretty thin.

Nigeria is actually pretty much the same as well. Elections happen, but there is serious fatigue with them. Also, Nigeria's elections are first pass the post without a run-off, their current president got 36% of the vote with a 26% turnout, closer to 5% of the population voted for him.

The one reason the coups are happening if the military is often the last institution that the public even vaguely trusts.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:07 on Aug 11, 2023

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Ardennes posted:

On thing to remember, is about 2.5 million people, only 10% of the Nigerian population came out to actively vote for the last president (even 20% had actively voted for Trump). His base of support was/is actually pretty thin.

their turnout always sucks but this recent one was the lowest ever





sorry for blurry, it was all i could find

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Frosted Flake posted:

I have a copy of Algeria: Anger of the Dispossessed in the mail, but can anyone provide a quick explanation of the Algerian Civil War and how it relates to the Arab Spring and events in Sahel?

"After liberating itself from French colonial rule in one of the twentieth century’s most brutal wars of independence, Algeria became a standard-bearer for the non-aligned movement. By the 1990s, however, its revolutionary political model had collapsed, degenerating into a savage conflict between the military and Islamist guerillas that killed some 200,000 citizens. In this lucid and gripping account, Martin Evans and John Phillips explore Algeria’s recent and very bloody history, demonstrating how the high hopes of independence turned into anger as young Algerians grew increasingly alienated. Unemployed, frustrated by the corrupt military regime, and excluded by the West, the post-independence generation needed new heroes, and some found them in Osama bin Laden and the rising Islamist movement. Evans and Phillips trace the complex roots of this alienation, arguing that Algeria’s predicament—political instability, pressing economic and social problems, bad governance, a disenfranchised youth—is emblematic of an arc of insecurity stretching from Morocco to Indonesia. Looking back at the pre-colonial and colonial periods, they place Algeria’s complex present into historical context, demonstrating how successive governments have manipulated the past for their own ends. The result is a fractured society with a complicated and bitter relationship with the Western powers—and an increasing tendency to export terrorism to France, America, and beyond."

My understanding is that after 1991, Pan-Arabism and socialism faded away and the US started trying to pick off strong states in Africa, but I can't say I know much about it. For example, there's a passage in the preview I can't wrap my head around:

"By autumn 1997 the sheer scale of the violence in Algeria had become impossible for the international community to ignore. On 30 September Mary Robinson, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, made a public plea calling for an end to bloodshed. Two weeks later four human rights organizations – Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Fédération Internationale des Ligues des Droits de l’Homme and Reporters sans Frontières – called for a special UN session on Algeria and the establishment of an independent international inquiry into the massacres, a demand that was backed up by the United States on 5 January 1998. On 19 January a European Union delegation made a visit to see the situation on the ground."

"In the midst of all this international attention there was much that was puzzling. Why, for example, was the army incapable of intervening to protect its citizens even though some units were stationed in barracks just a few hundred yards away from the massacres? Why had kidnappers been able to abduct a group of mostly elderly Roman Catholic monks from their monastery at Tibhirine under the noses of soldiers deployed at a nearby post? Some began to ask if insiders within the military regime were manipulating the bloodshed in order to sabotage any attempts at dialogue with the Islamist guerrillas."

Who are the sides to these wars and why are they being fought? It's all pretty confusing to an outsider.

The Army/Spy Agency created a fake Islamist group (GIA) that committed atrocities to turn people against the political islamists who won the 1996 election, over time GIA became more and more insane and filled with psychopaths that true believer lunatics won out.

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Jul 31, 2022

DancingShade posted:

If France can't keep getting cheap (below market rates) gold and more specifically, uranium (because corruption), they won't be able to fuel their nuclear energy grid for pennies on the dollar while also exporting energy to the rest of the EU at premium prices. In other words their GDP will be hosed, their credit rating will be hosed and their whole economy is fundamentally powered by colonial slavery & exploitation. So they are extremely motivated to put the... oh we don't say that word any more... back in their places.

I love it.

Cradle of western civilisation folks.

yup

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