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loquacius posted:Question for the thread: I've been having a rough time dealing with all the political messaging around the economy being unstoppable right now, due to my personal experience of being unemployed for months and having the hardest job search of my career because the market is flooded with tens of thousands of people who got very publicly laid off this year. Like, it's very obviously not true that unemployment is at its lowest value in decades, because if it was, I wouldn't be struggling to get a job with ten years of experience in my field, and being told by recruiters that it's because there are so many strong applicants in a very competitive market, and seeing nothing but similar stories from other people. I guess it depends. Most goons here appear to have college degrees and work in tech related fields. Where a bunch of layoffs have happened. Where I don't have a degree and have worked in general labor or manufacturing. The labor market is tight for blue-collar workers from my point of view. I reentered the labor force eight months ago handling cargo freight at an airport. $18 dollars an hour. Got bumped to $19, but the job sucked. Most of my coworkers sucked. My knees literally buckled one day from exhaustion. The churn was huge. Close to 200 got hired and quit over four months. When I put my application on Indeed, I got a reply the same day and started at the yogurt plant the next week for almost $22 an hour. A few weeks into the job they gave everyone a 12.5% rise due to the "conditions of the labor market." They're still hiring to as two more lines are being brought online.
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Aug 11, 2023 12:56
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I mean I am in film so uh no work for the forseeable future and will always be poor and freelance. Can't code sorry.
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Aug 11, 2023 13:07
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Techies have no union tradition and are regularly told they don't need unions and are privileged for considering it; tech jobs are only good because demand for tech workers exceeds supply. That's starting to change now (see: my life). I suspect all of the stuff about trying to make everybody learn 2 code is to help drive the great effort to make tech workers more affordable to employers.
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Aug 11, 2023 13:29
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The end of Gladiator but it's Commodus vs. Commodus
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Aug 11, 2023 13:34
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I’m in supply chain and since functioning infrastructure is a lost technology, teams who had deep sector knowledge were downsized during the Age of Plenty, the rest of the incompetents moved into middle management, and the Covid Years of non-stop crisis management were poo poo for training people into knowing How Things Actually Work there is a premium on logistics whisperers who know the right rituals and incantations to make your planes, trains and trucks arrive on time
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Aug 11, 2023 13:36
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If you mean, like IT/ systems / networks - techies have almost unionized a few times. A few unions like the CWA got real real close, but were fighting the general decline of unionization, and welp
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Aug 11, 2023 13:41
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Of course the Italians are facilitating this
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Aug 11, 2023 13:44
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The current Italian PM is a fascist iirc so I'm not too surprised
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Aug 11, 2023 13:45
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Oh and I guess the fact that like, a pipegreppers union would rival the teamsters in ability to gently caress up the US economy if it's demands weren't met. Who needs to cut undersea cables when you can drop routes or database tables? That probably gets lots of tax-payer funded activity organized against it.
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Aug 11, 2023 13:47
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loquacius posted:Techies have no union tradition and are regularly told they don't need unions and are privileged for considering it; tech jobs are only good because demand for tech workers exceeds supply. That's starting to change now (see: my life). I suspect all of the stuff about trying to make everybody learn 2 code is to help drive the great effort to make tech workers more affordable to employers. I'm seeing more tech people talk about unions, at a theoretical level at least. However for many of them it's more like "hey tech should probably unionize?"… instead of "hey would you like to build this union with me?"
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Aug 11, 2023 13:51
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Votskomit posted:I'm seeing more tech people talk about unions, at a theoretical level at least. However for many of them it's more like "hey tech should probably unionize?"… instead of "hey would you like to build this union with me?" None of us have the social skills to be union leaders
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Aug 11, 2023 13:52
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Buffer posted:a pipegreppers union lol
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Aug 11, 2023 13:53
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loquacius posted:Question for the thread: I've been having a rough time dealing with all the political messaging around the economy being unstoppable right now, due to my personal experience of being unemployed for months and having the hardest job search of my career because the market is flooded with tens of thousands of people who got very publicly laid off this year. Like, it's very obviously not true that unemployment is at its lowest value in decades, because if it was, I wouldn't be struggling to get a job with ten years of experience in my field, and being told by recruiters that it's because there are so many strong applicants in a very competitive market, and seeing nothing but similar stories from other people. the unemployment numbers they regularly put out dont include entire swathes of people, they do this deliberately to pretend unemployment isnt actually much higher for reference i believe last year they dropped around 10 million or so people off the rolls and just stopped counting them as unemployed
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Aug 11, 2023 13:54
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Abner Assington posted:The end of Gladiator but it's a commode and there's two turds that keep circling the bowl but won't flush down
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Aug 11, 2023 13:55
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > C-SPAM > [Doomsday Econ] a pipegreppers union
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Aug 11, 2023 13:56
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why did musk make his drat site the universal symbol of "close this window." Every time a tweet (I MEAN X POST) gets posted on the forums I see the X in the top right corner and want to close it.
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Aug 11, 2023 13:57
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i'm a cat operator
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Aug 11, 2023 13:57
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Zapf Dingbat posted:why did musk make his drat site the universal symbol of "close this window." Every time a tweet (I MEAN X POST) gets posted on the forums I see the X in the top right corner and want to close it. Drives a lot of traffic there
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Aug 11, 2023 13:57
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Xaris posted:yeah chinese make better poo poo but they're banned from selling it in america thanks to democrats. cant let americans get spoiled with premium consumer treats without paying the premium price We got the nightmare version of the future I was promised - most of the manual labor and manufacturing has been automated or outsourced, but we didn't get the cheap goods and extra free time that were supposed to come with it.
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Aug 11, 2023 13:59
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mawarannahr posted:i'm a cat operator I also WFH
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Aug 11, 2023 14:01
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HallelujahLee posted:the unemployment numbers they regularly put out dont include entire swathes of people, they do this deliberately to pretend unemployment isnt actually much higher Can someone get a source on this? I'm not doubting it, i just wanna see the details. What are the rolls? I thought it just counted people who are currently receiving unemployment (which you need to not have a part-time or gig job and also be actively searching for a new job to qualify for). Did they just like kick people off unemployment and if so why? Was it the expiration of a COVID benefit?
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Aug 11, 2023 14:01
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Zapf Dingbat posted:why did musk make his drat site the universal symbol of "close this window." Every time a tweet (I MEAN X POST) gets posted on the forums I see the X in the top right corner and want to close it. Because his entire purpose in purchasing Twitter, with MBS's financial backing, was to get rid of a public square where people like him could be criticized. Destroying it was deliberate.
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Aug 11, 2023 14:01
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loquacius posted:Can someone get a source on this? I'm not doubting it, i just wanna see the details. What are the rolls? I thought it just counted people who are currently receiving unemployment (which you need to not have a part-time or gig job and also be actively searching for a new job to qualify for). Did they just like kick people off unemployment and if so why? Was it the expiration of a COVID benefit? It's from surveys (idk exactly their methodology for sourcing the numbers) but if you are job seeking for more than 3 months iirc they just drop you out of the labor pool. They don't consider you a productive member of society anymore
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Aug 11, 2023 14:04
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Gorson posted:We got the nightmare version of the future I was promised - most of the manual labor and manufacturing has been automated or outsourced, but we didn't get the cheap goods and extra free time that were supposed to come with it. if they were honest about it beforehand nobody would fall for it
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Aug 11, 2023 14:04
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loquacius posted:Can someone get a source on this? I'm not doubting it, i just wanna see the details. What are the rolls? I thought it just counted people who are currently receiving unemployment (which you need to not have a part-time or gig job and also be actively searching for a new job to qualify for). Did they just like kick people off unemployment and if so why? Was it the expiration of a COVID benefit? U1: Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer. U2: Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work. U3: Official unemployment rate, per the ILO definition, occurs when people are without jobs and they have actively looked for work within the past four weeks.[60] U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them. U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers," or "loosely attached workers," or those who "would like" and are able to work but have not looked for work recently. U6: U5 + Part-time workers who want to work full-time, but cannot for economic reasons (underemployment)
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Aug 11, 2023 14:04
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Because his entire purpose in purchasing Twitter, with MBS's financial backing, was to get rid of a public square where people like him could be criticized. Destroying it was deliberate. or hear me out he's stupid
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Aug 11, 2023 14:05
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loquacius posted:Can someone get a source on this? I'm not doubting it, i just wanna see the details. What are the rolls? I thought it just counted people who are currently receiving unemployment (which you need to not have a part-time or gig job and also be actively searching for a new job to qualify for). Did they just like kick people off unemployment and if so why? Was it the expiration of a COVID benefit? to add to what in training said they dont include prison population as well and i believe u3 also doesnt include part-time workers either The following are a few examples of individuals who wouldn't be included in the U-3 rate: A stonemason who wants to work but became discouraged by a lack of opportunity in the midst of a deep economic recession A marketing executive who is laid off at age 57 and stops scheduling new job interviews due to their experience of age discrimination A person who only works one six-hour shift per week because no full-time jobs are available in their area
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Aug 11, 2023 14:05
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Acelerion posted:U1: Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer. Oh lol it's one month. Yeah everyone I know definitely expects to get a job within 4 weeks of looking . Edit nvm that's not the right timeframe. I should see what determines the "Discouraged workers" category
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Aug 11, 2023 14:06
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Mola Yam posted:he's stupid
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Aug 11, 2023 14:07
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Zapf Dingbat posted:why did musk make his drat site the universal symbol of "close this window." Every time a tweet (I MEAN X POST) gets posted on the forums I see the X in the top right corner and want to close it. Are people actually calling it that now? I kind of refuse to and still say Comisky Park and Phillip Morris.
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Aug 11, 2023 14:07
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Mola Yam posted:or He's stupid, but he absolutely purchased Twitter to ruin it.
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Aug 11, 2023 14:07
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Also, agencies habitually report 'good' numbers and then months later issue corrections when no one is looking or cares
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Aug 11, 2023 14:07
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Acelerion posted:Also, agencies habitually report 'good' numbers and then months later issue corrections when no one is looking or cares
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Aug 11, 2023 14:08
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:He's stupid, but he absolutely purchased Twitter to ruin it. He very aggressively tried to get out of the deal which almost certainly cost him millions in legal fees, and only purchased it when a court forced him to. It might be his plan now but he doesn't need any help retconning his history.
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Aug 11, 2023 14:10
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https://twitter.com/ReutersChina/status/1689984910889742336?s=20quote:Aug 11 (Reuters) - A patriotic call by China's bestselling automaker to band the industry together and "demolish the old legends" of the global market has gone viral, drawing both raves and a rebuke from a rival.
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Aug 11, 2023 14:11
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/244102395838230528 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/665739096694870017 once he got elected he stopped talking about real unemployment
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Aug 11, 2023 14:16
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That's right
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Aug 11, 2023 14:22
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AvesPKS posted:Are people actually calling it that now? I kind of refuse to and still say Comisky Park and Phillip Morris. I call it Xitter (pronounced with a 'sch' sound). In my head, Tweets are Xits, Tweeting is Xitting, and retweeting is now Xarting.
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Aug 11, 2023 14:27
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quote:"I believe the time has come for Chinese brands," BYD founder and chairman Wang Chuanfu said at the event, standing in front of an image of the logos of 12 major Chinese automakers. 
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elon attempting to force one of us to become more divorced than him by making us re-ex our exes for more engagement
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