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mediaphage posted:tbh i think the 24-inch imac gets as much or more care from apple than the 21-inch imac did and for the time being they replaced the larger model with the studio and display agreed I do think the 21 inch model had a brief couple of years at the end of its run where it was getting some love from Apple, and you could spec it with a six core CPU and an AMD dGPU if you wanted I'd love to see the M3 24" iMacs have an M3 Pro option and otherwise keep their existing colorful glory, but I think that's probably impossible
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American McGay posted:21” seemed like their university lab model. Didn’t get much marketing but probably sold billions. Yeah, even now I can go to my old university’s Surplus Store and always see several 21” iMacs for sale there at steep discounts. mediaphage posted:i have no idea how realistic their goals are but from the marketing it seems like apple wants to sell the m* imacs to small businesses too especially in customer-facing scenarios It often seemed like a lot of universities, libraries, etc., would have iMacs but run them with Windows via Bootcamp, a VM, etc., for software that I assume was only on Windows. So the switch to ASi probably disrupted that prior to Parallels coming out with an officially authorized option for Windows 11 ARM. I’d assume that things might pick up now in terms of adoption.
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Don't think I'd feel comfortable buying a 27" "new iMac pro" without a solid plan on having it shift to a dedicated display in 7-10 years. The screens on these things seem to stay relevant way longer than the computer. Also still mad at the 13" pro sticking around. Ugh. Just makes things confusing when someone mentions their "macbook pro" that doesn't seem to be working how they'd expect and you have ten minutes of miscommunication before you realize what they actually have.
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mediaphage posted:i have no idea how realistic their goals are but from the marketing it seems like apple wants to sell the m* imacs to small businesses too especially in customer-facing scenarios I mean they do look great on a counter in a shop
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The Grumbles posted:I mean they do look great on a counter in a shop absolutely
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zachol posted:Don't think I'd feel comfortable buying a 27" "new iMac pro" without a solid plan on having it shift to a dedicated display in 7-10 years. The screens on these things seem to stay relevant way longer than the computer. I'm still annoyed that they couldn't figure out a way to keep Target Display Mode around; I understand the technical reasons why they didn't, but it's still frustrating.
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i refuse to believe that they couldn’t put it in recent imacs if they wanted to. they just didn’t want to because it would cost them money for a feature that almost nobody uses given how activation lock puts ridiculous numbers of perfectly working devices into e-waste i don’t think having imac displays become paperweights is much of a cause for them
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Target display mode in iMacs would have cut Cinema Display sales by like 80%.
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American McGay posted:Target display mode in iMacs would have cut Cinema Display sales by like 80%. not sure i agree with this
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Ok Comboomer posted:sucks that the Samsung 5k studio display is also like $1500, but at least it has multiple inputs Also sucks that it has major problems with build quality, the OS/firmware, and QC
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SourKraut posted:Also sucks that it has major problems with build quality, the OS/firmware, and QC does it? Not surprised if so but also hadn’t heard anything. If it’s like the others it’ll get updated and iterated on in short enough order. If the base is like the M8 then it’s fine, but also definitely not nearly as nice as Apple’s. But with the $400 you save you could get a nice ergonomic arm so 
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Ok Comboomer posted:does it? Not surprised if so but also hadn’t heard anything. If it’s like the others it’ll get updated and iterated on in short enough order. Yeah, it might have just been the early units that I think were sent or sold to a select few in South Korea (and elsewhere?), but apparently it had issues when connected to Intel-based Macs (but ASi Macs were fine), it sometimes showed weird paneling/tiling (might have dependent on connection type?), the colors were rather washed out regardless of calibration (which was a surprise since it seemed like it would use the same display as in the ASD), and apparently the matte finish was unevenly applied in places.
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I have one, the bezel cracked in both bottom corners - apparently this is really common. Stand is also pretty wobbly. Also not sure what you mean about multiple inputs, it does not.
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BlackMK4 posted:Also not sure what you mean about multiple inputs, it does not. It has TB4, USB-C, and miniDP. You sure you’re talking about the ViewFinity S9 5K and not another Samsung monitor?
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Canadian (specifically GTA) MacBros: Is MacDoc still all it's cracked up to be, or are there better/cheaper options for refurbished machines? I've used their service in the past and they are definitely thorough, but I feel like I might be able to save some ducats elsewhere, and honestly I've been waiting to hear back from their 'photography specialist' about specific models for more than a week now. I might be in the market for a 'new' laptop, primarily for on-the-go photo editing in Lightroom but also some audio work (Ableton and Rekordbox and some other little utilities), wondering if the thread has any recommendations for the $1k-$1500 range or if I'm delusional with that price point? Thanks in advance.
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Mister Speaker posted:Canadian (specifically GTA) MacBros: Is MacDoc still all it's cracked up to be, or are there better/cheaper options for refurbished machines? I've used their service in the past and they are definitely thorough, but I feel like I might be able to save some ducats elsewhere, and honestly I've been waiting to hear back from their 'photography specialist' about specific models for more than a week now. you can buy a new laptop straight from apple for that budget. an m1 13-inch air is $1299. a refurb is $1099 (from apple). if you are willing to buy on the educational store subsite (they never check ime) a new m1 air is $1169 and an m2 air is $1299 (otherwise $1449). plus if you buy from the education store you'll get a $200 apple gift card. you'll want to add some cash for ram, but it still hits your budget.
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If you were in the US I would suggest the $1399 M1 Pro 16 from woot.
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MarcusSA posted:If you were in the US I would suggest the $1399 M1 Pro 16 from woot. unfortunately $1900 cad lol
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mediaphage posted:you can buy a new laptop straight from apple for that budget. Yeah even the lowest end Apple stuff is great these days unless you absolutely need more ram. M1/M2 chips are insanely good.
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Thanks for the quick responses, I'll check out some of that on the Apple store. Is it worth going with a MBP over an Air? How are the screens, good for photography? I don't even know if an M1 is necessary, I know they're stupid fast but it might be overkill? Thanks again.
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Mister Speaker posted:Thanks for the quick responses, I'll check out some of that on the Apple store. Is it worth going with a MBP over an Air? How are the screens, good for photography? I don't even know if an M1 is necessary, I know they're stupid fast but it might be overkill? Thanks again. if you do a lot of photography the mbp screen (14" or 16") is probably worth the upgrade cost on its own, especially because it also comes with an upgrade to 16gb of ram
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Mister Speaker posted:Thanks for the quick responses, I'll check out some of that on the Apple store. Is it worth going with a MBP over an Air? How are the screens, good for photography? I don't even know if an M1 is necessary, I know they're stupid fast but it might be overkill? Thanks again. If you can get an M1P or M2P 14" or 16" MBP in the $1400-2200 range you'll be very happy with it for a long time I think the higher quality and higher refresh rate display, better speakers, additional ports, SDXC slot, ability to run more than one external display (dependent on what chip you get, if you want to run more than 2), and much more powerful (and more future-proof/longer-legged) GPU make it a no-brainer over a similarly outfitted Air for ~$200 more. It'll provide you with more functionality (having the onboard SD slot and capability to run two external screens alone would do it for me if I'm doing tons of photo or video work) and age more gracefully years from now.
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Mister Speaker posted:I don't even know if an M1 is necessary, I know they're stupid fast but it might be overkill? Were I you, a M1 Air would be the minimum I'd consider. Intel Airs will not age well. In fact, they already have not aged well, just because the M1 Air is here to make them look so bad. With a $1000-1500 CAD budget you should be able to get a nice M1 or M2 Air that will last lots longer and be far more capable in every regard save driving multiple external displays. (M1/M2 Airs can only drive one external.) Basically, if you find some incredible deal on an Intel MacBook Air/Pro, then maybe. Just keep in mind that they're all obsolete due to how much better their Apple Silicon replacements are (no joke, the low end MacBook Air trades blows with late model 8-core 16" Intel MBPs in benchmarks), and insist on savings commensurate with that.
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Mister Speaker posted:Thanks for the quick responses, I'll check out some of that on the Apple store. Is it worth going with a MBP over an Air? How are the screens, good for photography? I don't even know if an M1 is necessary, I know they're stupid fast but it might be overkill? Thanks again. Apple Silicon also absolutely spanks Intel in battery life.
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Cold on a Cob posted:Yeah even the lowest end Apple stuff is great these days unless you absolutely need more ram. M1/M2 chips are insanely good. Just to add I bought a base level M2 air because it’s where my budget landed and I’ve never seen any kind of out of memory error. I’m sure it swaps to the hard drive a lot but this is such a fast and well designed machine I never notice unless I decide to punish myself by staring at the task manager. The only thing that I think might start to drag it down is future macOS updates, but they’ve been pretty well behaved about keeping things fast and lightweight across all their tech these last few generations. It’s not like the old days where one wrong iPad update would make your device unusable. So I’m optimistic. If you have a use case where you know you’ll need more RAM - or you just have the money for it - bumping up to 16gb won’t hurt though. Especially if your livelihood depends on editing large files. I type for s living and this is the best typewriter I’ve ever owned.
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As a rule, if you do computational heavy lifting that involves really big files, RAM is important. But if your RAM need is "having a ton of apps open at once", you will probably be served fine by the base model since the SSD is fast enough for basically instantaneous swap as far as most users are concerned.
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Fedule posted:As a rule, if you do computational heavy lifting that involves really big files, RAM is important. But if your RAM need is "having a ton of apps open at once", you will probably be served fine by the base model since the SSD is fast enough for basically instantaneous swap as far as most users are concerned. this!
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you won't get an out-of-memory error but if you use it up fully, the computer will still grind to a halt. in terms of basic computing, it only happens when i open truly unreasonable numbers of tabs in both safari and chrome at the same time though
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BobHoward posted:Were I you, a M1 Air would be the minimum I'd consider. Intel Airs will not age well. In fact, they already have not aged well, just because the M1 Air is here to make them look so bad. With a $1000-1500 CAD budget you should be able to get a nice M1 or M2 Air that will last lots longer and be far more capable in every regard save driving multiple external displays. (M1/M2 Airs can only drive one external.) Something else to consider is support. I would not be surprised at all if MacOS 15 is the last one to support Intel devices outside of a few exceptions.
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Jose Oquendo posted:Something else to consider is support. I would not be surprised at all if MacOS 15 is the last one to support Intel devices outside of a few exceptions. Mac Mini and Mac Pro still had Intel models on the market in the past few months, so I'd expect ~5 years of support (for those models) buying a used Intel Mac to save money in 2023 is basically like buying a PPC Mac in 2007
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Luke Miani has succeeded in upgrading his M1 Mac Mini's paltry 256 GB onboard SSD to a 2 TB SSD, for $100 in parts.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apEKAY11NQs He had dosdude1's help to do it. He remarks that the skillset needed to do this is way beyond what most people are willing to learn.. There have been people in Malaysia offering to do similar upgrades for RAM / SSDs on 2017+ rMBPs using the same methods for several years now, but it should be noted that along with the physically complex removal of the NAND chips, with T2 / AS machines you must also perform an Apple Configurator command to program the NAND chips and configure them to be addressed by the logic board after you've soldered the new NANDs in.
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Ok Comboomer posted:Mac Mini and Mac Pro still had Intel models on the market in the past few months, so I'd expect ~5 years of support (for those models) There are still some folks using their PPC Macs to surf the Internet, but development on TenFourFox has halted, and that was a big blow as it was the only PPC fork of Firefox that was being maintained until recently. Strangely enough, I see Intel Macs / Hackintoshes as lasting longer after the last Intel-supported macOS gets pushed out, because of all the Linux builds that you can install on them.. (or even ChromeOS Flex, but then you're turning that machine into a browser only unit for all intents/purps) I'm still rocking a 2011 Mini with 16 GB of RAM and a 1 TB SSD shoved in running Linux Mint Cinnamon that I was able to use to recover a crashed hard drive from an old Windows 7 station. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Binary Badger posted:Luke Miani has succeeded in upgrading his M1 Mac Mini's paltry 256 GB onboard SSD to a 2 TB SSD, for $100 in parts.. Strange parts dude did something similar with an iPhone. It required special equipment to load some of the software to get it booting. Quite impressive but sad that this is the only economical route to upgrade the devices and lower ewaste
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OK, last questions before I maybe drunkenly pull the trigger on that 13" Air y'all pointed out: Am I going to regret getting such a small screen? I have no problem connecting to my large 4K at home but like I said the primary purpose of this machine is on-the-go photo editing. I'm using Lightroom Classic on my desktop to edit photos, currently. Are the new machines/OS too new to support that older software? I want to migrate at the very least LR, Premiere, Ableton and Rekordbox to it. I suppose this is a matter of checking the versions and compatibility; I'm not at home right now.
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Mister Speaker posted:OK, last questions before I maybe drunkenly pull the trigger on that 13" Air y'all pointed out: this is perhaps a controversial opinion but if you're a deft hand with gestures, i find the screens fine, even for something like editing. swapping between spaces, etc. makes things a lot easier. the trackpads make up for a lot imo. anyway lightroom (even classic) should work fine
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If they’re older versions that you’re directly migrating over (via migration assistant, etc), they may run as intel binaries and if you have updated versions they’ll run natively, most likely. I think there’s even an Apple Silicon native version of Lightroom Classic now but you may have to confirm that. As long as they aren’t 32 bit only apps, they’ll run. And the intel emulation is great and you may not even notice it.
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